An Orangutan is not orange, but RED!

10/12/2005 12:38:14 AM · #1

oÂ·rangÂ·uÂ·tan Audio pronunciation of "orangutan" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (Ã´-rng-tn, -rng-, -rng-) also oÂ·rangÂ·ouÂ·tang (--tng)
n.

An arboreal anthropoid ape (Pongo pygmaeus) of Borneo and Sumatra, having a shaggy reddish-brown coat, very long arms, and no tail.

My entry:

Now, normally I would not care, but seriously people, I know the name of this beast can confuse your eyes, but by definition and by my eye, the coat is of red priority and of course the green grass is the complementary color. This shot was of the few if not the only one to capture complementary colors in nature and as nature would have it. However, people did not agree. How is this picture my lowest scoring picture in the last 15 challenges? Do you agree with me? If so or not, post a comment. Thanks.

Canon EOS-20D

Sony DT 11-18mm f/4.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Super Wide Angle Zoom

10/12/2005 12:39:19 AM · #2

He does look kind orangey on my screen.

JPR

Sony Alpha a55

10/12/2005 12:39:30 AM · #3

I say orange. :P

longlivenyhc

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Canon

10/12/2005 12:41:15 AM · #4

definitely orange on my screen as well

10/12/2005 12:45:05 AM · #5

Technically it is a complementary photograph, that is, if you take the written and scientifically sound definition of an orangutan. Did you not see the "reddish-brown" description? That is my point.

I say that the name itself came from the blending of reds and browns that could have the effect of an orangey tint, thus the name ORANGutan. But please people, you have to at least acknowledge what I am saying and that I am right.

KaDi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/12/2005 12:46:01 AM · #6

No. I don't agree with you. It's brown.
Reddish brown. Orangish brown. Still brown.

And I also don't agree with the comment that this image is one of the *few* that captured complementary colors in nature--even if it were, so what? Was that implied in the challenge description? Do you want extra points for that?

Just my opinion, take it or leave it.
(There was, by the way, an exceptional picture that captured natural complementary colors--unfortunately it's somewhere on the 4th page of the results.)

Canon EOS-20D

10/12/2005 12:48:27 AM · #7

Originally posted by Cutter:

Technically it is a complementary photograph, that is, if you take the written and scientifically sound definition of an orangutan. Did you not see the "reddish-brown" description? That is my point.

Unfortunately, it's what in the picture, not what's in the definition, that people vote on.

longlivenyhc

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Canon

10/12/2005 12:53:33 AM · #8

it just needs a trip to the hair salon, then it can look like this:

10/12/2005 12:54:15 AM · #9

mk, I can see what you mean there. However, take for example a wedding dress. It can have many shades of white, ivory, cream, and ultimately people are going to almost always see a white wedding dress.

KaDi - If you really think it is of brown priority, than you make my point. Everyone thus far is calling it orangey and you call it definitely brown. So there is room to colorize our imagination. And anyone can at least see red, orange and brown in the coat. It's not freakin' pink or something.

Also, it is one of the "FEW" that captured complementary colors in nature. And yes, I do want extra points for that. 7 points if you want to know. 7 points from every one. The point I was trying to make with that is, it is much harder to capture a specificity of idea naturally than to create it artificially.

KaDi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/12/2005 12:59:17 AM · #10

Problem is...it's not a complementary combination...to me. (And apparently many, many others.) You can argue all you want. You can put it on the witness stand and ask it leading questions...but it's still going to be a shot of a BROWN orangutan in an un-natural GREEN zoo setting. AND, NO, you do not get extra points for that. (I gave you a 6, by the way, but that's only because I've sworn off 5's, am lenient with definitions when voting, and didn't think this deserved a 4.)

10/12/2005 01:07:35 AM · #11

i implied a naturally occuring color complementing situation. And I think it is hilarious and great that you think it is brown. You continue to make my point. That's alright, we can all continue to vote for the same old looking pictures from the same old predictable and sometimes obvious photographers. Oh yeah, I said it.....

KaDi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/12/2005 01:14:45 AM · #12

Yadda, yadda.
How dare you dump me into your box of all "vote for the same old looking pictures"!
I gave exactly one 10 in this challenge and it went to the last comment I made today....pretty obvious if you read the comment.

But that's o.k. It's pretty hilarious that you continue to argue for a photo that actually failed to meet the challenge in the voters eyes. That's alright, you can continue to enter the same old looking pictures from the same old predictable places and be the same old photographer you were yesterday---or not. O yeah, I said it...

Kita

10/12/2005 01:26:24 AM · #13

I am very sorry but it does look a bit orange and bit red on the darker side. Your entry finished much higher than mine and mine was also very misunderstood. But be proud of your score because people have got some less than you.

I am only a child and I cried when I saw all my one votes but I got a couple of really good comments and that made it all better. Please look at the good things and not the bad.

Because you can use obstacles as stepping stones and they will lead you to something better.

Kita

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

10/12/2005 01:27:16 AM · #14

i wasn't dumping you. I was speaking to DPC. I believe there are countless photographers here (I am not talking about my own pictures), that get overlooked. Yet some peculiarly familiar photos that look like 90% of all their stuff end up at the top. Is that because they are that good? No. It is because of the cult/clique/bandwagon philosophy that has seemed to rise to the top here. That was what I was talking about.

And I am not complaining about my finish in the challenge at all. I was proving that perceptions lead to common fallacies. I have my share of ribbons in the first 9 months I picked up a camera. I am pleased with my portfolio and uniqueness. Thanks though. Come back to criticize after you have received at least one.

Message edited by author 2005-10-12 01:28:27.

ttreit

Canon EOS-50D

10/12/2005 01:28:57 AM · #15

I just don't think it strongly evoked a connection with complementary colors.

10/12/2005 01:31:17 AM · #16

So the question must be then:

Am I wrong about the complementary colors?

Were the voters wrong about the complementary colors?

Is the dictionary wrong about the colors of grass and orangutans?

Do you see my logic? I am not talking about your perceptions here...

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

10/12/2005 01:33:19 AM · #17

There are some challenges that it is just silly to submit non-studio shots for, and this was one of them. Almst every "found" shot was ripped for not being complementary. One naturally lit shot in the top twenty. Next time just print out a checkerboard in the right colors and shoot it through an busy glass dish of water, or quit caring about how people score you. Im gonna start practcing drops ;)

10/12/2005 01:39:49 AM · #18

Brennan please, I already have beef with you for stealing, STEALING, my first blue ribbon with your road signs entry! Seriously though, I understand what you mean about your observations. And I don't care (too much), I just want to inform the masses of the world about the true color of redbrownutans.

And: I don't play checkers or chess

Brent_Ward

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L USM

10/12/2005 01:42:23 AM · #19

Isn't reddish-brown the same as dark orange? And if you took a photo of a brown object it would be complementary colors since red+green=brown.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

10/12/2005 01:43:03 AM · #20

AN orangutan might be red, but the presentation of this specific orangutan, I'm afraid appears orange. I didn't vote, and don't really care, but just wanted to put in my opinion on orange.

10/12/2005 01:47:07 AM · #21

hbunch....the most intelligent comment posted yet. So you are saying maybe just my guy here is oranger than the average oranguatan. I can buy that...

methos...I will take your word for it. You have a better camera than me.

Brent_Ward

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L USM

10/12/2005 01:48:59 AM · #22

Originally posted by Cutter:

methos...I will take your word for it. You have a better camera than me.

Well hell, if that's all it takes...LOL!

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Olympus 40-150mm f/3.5-4.5 Zuiko Digital

10/12/2005 01:50:18 AM · #23

And I must agree with you, after all I had the same commenter telling me that my shot had no complementary colors as you did. I just think that if you are going to judge by the standards of the studio then you rarely see a purely complementary set of colors balanced in hue and saturation. People who are planning on trying to find them outside the studio will cut you more slack, those who know they couldn't find them there are probably not going to cut as much slack.

joynim

Olympus E-500 EVOLT

10/12/2005 01:52:51 AM · #24

Originally posted by Kita:

Could'nt put it better myself!! And from an eight year old!