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Canon EF 55-200mm f/4.5-5.6 II USM

10/05/2005 10:14:59 AM · #29

Originally posted by muckpond:

don't you guys have more important things to do...? like, oh, i dunno...shoot pictures?

I do "more important" things quite a bit - this is just a time passer. No harm, no foul. If they didn't like the comment, why remove it? Why not remove it?

And I would wager I've "shot pictures" more than 95% of DPC in the last year, so I don't think I need to go do that.

orussell

Canon EOS Rebel T6s

10/05/2005 10:15:28 AM · #30

Originally posted by muckpond:

fwiw, i think this is a pretty poor idea.

why fight "potential" spite with "definite" spite? if it doesn't get marked helpful, move on with your life.

don't you guys have more important things to do...? like, oh, i dunno...shoot pictures?

You're entirely correct. People who are hateful shouldn't be a priority in your life. Gotten over it already.

wewillexplore

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

10/05/2005 10:16:29 AM · #31

Originally posted by rsm707:

Or simply have their own opinion that your suggestion would not improve there photo.

Isn't that why we're removing them? Cuz they aren't helping the photo in question? lol

10/05/2005 10:16:49 AM · #32

hey, like my first post states, just a bloddy weird idea - lets not start a flame war over it. and besides, what is put as a comment is up to the commentor, right? :) just the same as the photographer's right to mark it helpful or not.

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

10/05/2005 10:17:42 AM · #33

Originally posted by mavrik:

Originally posted by rsm707:
Or simply have their own opinion that your suggestion would not improve there photo.

Isn't that why we're removing them? Cuz they aren't helping the photo in question? lol

dang mav, you've got a valid point there. If it aint helpful, we help them remove it rather than being for sore eyes.

muckpond

Nikon D200

10/05/2005 10:48:07 AM · #34

Originally posted by shadow:

If it aint helpful, we help them remove it rather than being for sore eyes.

to mk's point earlier: do you think comments are only useful for the photographer?

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

10/05/2005 11:29:42 AM · #35

Interesting idea. I don't like it either. I'm with Mk and Muckpond.

I just spent several hours responding with PM's thanking people for their time to comment on my photo in the last challenge. I didn't want to do this during the challenge for obvious reasons. I really want to encourage people to comment more, not less.

In another week, it is possible that I wouldn't even have had the time for a few days. I used the checkboxes to track my PM's. There were a few that I left empty, but these were just really short comments that didn't really say anything. I still appreciate that the person said something, I just left the box to indicate that I didn't really find it helpful and would have appreciated a little more.

When I have time, I also do my best to post comments on pictures in other people's portfolios that specifically have no other comments. I write detailed and specific comments. This takes a lot more time than short comments, so I often get quite behind on this. Again, I use the check boxes to track my movements.

After a couple of weeks, I generally have gotten back to most everyone.

Not checking the box is not meant to be spiteful. It is just that I take the meaning of the box literally. I sometimes leave boxes empty that are positive but not really helpful. A PM saying that I disagree with a person and asking them why they said what they said STILL isn't meant in spite. It just needs clarification.

A PM from me saying that I have taken offense and consider a comment made to be rude should be taken as spite.

If you don't get one of these, perhaps the photographer is merely trying to say that particular comment isn't helpful and you shouldn't take things so personally.

Validation isn't the most important goal in a person's life. Progressive Learning is far more important.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

10/05/2005 12:28:42 PM · #36

I think it's a bit childish to expect a helpful check on any comment you leave. I think it's even more childish to dish out retribution for those who don't give you the check mark.

Please remove any comments you have left on my images. Based on your behavior, your comments are useless anyway. They didn't come from your heart and soul. They came out of desire to have it checked as helpful.

wewillexplore

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

10/05/2005 01:02:06 PM · #37

Done on the 6 or 7 I could find. My comments come because I want to learn and I want to help others learn. I feel I am removing comments that the photographer feels did not help them. I don't make comments on picture 1 for photographer 2. I'll comment on picture 2 from photographer 2 if I want to help them. If someone writes "it's too bad that....." on one of your shots, you feel like they don't get it, right? Like you made that decision on purpose. Well if I say "it's too bad that that guy's arm was moving" in the comments, you don't mark it as helpful cuz it's not, and I remove it as being an unhelpful comment - who lost there? Nobody?

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

10/05/2005 01:19:13 PM · #38

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

No offense John but you seem to jump to drastic measure here lately when stuff doesn't go your way. I think you are a great asset to the DPC Community and look up to you as you have helped mentor many. But in the past few weeks you have tarnished your image at least in my opinion for me.

Edit: spelling and to clarify that I am not trying to be mean just making an observation and letting you know that the respect I have for you is dimishing and also that I don't agree or disagree with what they are doing.

Message edited by author 2005-10-05 13:44:13.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

10/05/2005 01:36:33 PM · #39

Originally posted by rex:

No offense John but ...

Sounds like a PM would be in order here - yes? (Where have I heard that before?) ;^)

p.s. - missed one (assest? asset perhaps?)

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

10/05/2005 01:45:12 PM · #40

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by rex:
No offense John but ...

Sounds like a PM would be in order here - yes? (Where have I heard that before?) ;^)

Do you follow me around? :-)

Originally posted by glad2badad:

p.s. - missed one (assest? asset perhaps?)

Used to be a school teacher huh?

GoldBerry

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

10/05/2005 01:56:38 PM · #41

I got a lot of comments on my last entry and didn't mark any of them helpful, because they weren't. Everyone mentioned the powerlines which I was fully aware of. So, not helpful. The other comments I didn't agree with because people just have different tastes than I do. I'm not gonna blow smoke up yer arses just coz. No thanks.

..edit..for the first time in history I'm in agreement with JM (see above)...

Message edited by author 2005-10-05 13:57:32.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

10/05/2005 02:14:19 PM · #42

I also think it is a poor idea. There are oodles of reasons I can think of for a comment not to be marked.

I can recall going back to several challenges and reading a comment that I know I had marked as helpful, but it was not on my list. I guess a time out or changing the window or sumtin caused it not to register. (strange things happen to dial up users).

Also, when I leave a comment, it helps me to evaluate the picture, and thus help my photography skills. (such as they are).

If the photog doesn't think they are helpful, more power to them, big deal.

I think it is a poor idea.

If you've got that much time, why not add some comments to other shots where the photog might find them helpful.

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

10/05/2005 02:28:52 PM · #43

I think I mentioned this elsewhere, but there is a big difference between trying to help and actually being a help.

It is a good thing if your motive is always to try to help. That's usually my motive.

My effect however is not always being helpful. I often miss the mark.

Makes no difference what I feel about how hard I was trying to help, be it a little or a lot - my effort matters to me. On the other hand, my effort has absolutely no bearing on my effect.

I had this experience recently with a friend who has been withdrawing from all of her friends lately and has been spending time alone, taking road trips. I sent her a message via SMS. It took about a minute and a half of my time. It was a little thing to me. It was a big thing to her.

On the other hand, on that very same day, I tried to help someone who has been having trouble adjusting to the culture here. I gave what I feel to be some pretty sage advice. She took it all out of context and completely missed my point. She assumed offense and built up something of a rift. I considered my words quite carefully for about 20 minutes and discussed ways of putting things gently with my sister to add a female perspective. She didn't want the help.

If someone doesn't want your advice, you should stand by your words. It's not a thank you box. Life doesn't have a thank you box OR a Helpful box. If you do something to try to help someone, it is its own validation.

Removing a message because you are offended that the content of the message didn't have the intended effect is showing a lack of respect for the effort YOU put forth in saying it.

Someone commented on my branches snapshot saying "ouch". I didn't find it helpful, but I'm glad they took the time to say something. If that person removes the message, it makes no difference to me - mostly because it wasn't helpful. I would hope the person who said that would understand that. If that person removed that message, it would show me that they changed their mind on the INTENT of commenting. This indicates that someone who was trying to be helpful is no longer trying to be helpful. I didn't do anything to elicit that reaction. Nobody else can see anything that I did to elicit that reaction. Hence, the shame will be cast upon them.

Now things get a LOT more complicated if I were to mark the message as Helpful AFTER the message was replaced... ;)

Lighten up guys. Nobody likes 100% of the things you do. I appreciate a good number of things I've seen both mavrik and Shadow do. Didn't think that needed a box.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

10/05/2005 02:59:06 PM · #44

Originally posted by rex:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think it's a bit childish to expect a helpful check on any comment you leave. I think it's even more childish to dish out retribution for those who don't give you the check mark.

Please remove any comments you have left on my images. Based on your behavior, your comments are useless anyway. They didn't come from your heart and soul. They came out of desire to have it checked as helpful.

No offense John but you seem to jump to drastic measure here lately when stuff doesn't go your way. I think you are a great asset to the DPC Community and look up to you as you have helped mentor many. But in the past few weeks you have tarnished your image at least in my opinion for me.

I don't personally care about any image that I may have in an online community. I help when I feel up to it and I also help by exposing, what I feel to be, a childish methodology here. This is how I evaluate the feedback I get online. I always consider the source. When the source proves to be something other than sincere, it's worthless to me. Wouldn't you agree?

Stagolee

Kodak Easyshare C180

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

10/05/2005 04:59:03 PM · #45

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by rex:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think it's a bit childish to expect a helpful check on any comment you leave. I think it's even more childish to dish out retribution for those who don't give you the check mark.

Please remove any comments you have left on my images. Based on your behavior, your comments are useless anyway. They didn't come from your heart and soul. They came out of desire to have it checked as helpful.

No offense John but you seem to jump to drastic measure here lately when stuff doesn't go your way. I think you are a great asset to the DPC Community and look up to you as you have helped mentor many. But in the past few weeks you have tarnished your image at least in my opinion for me.

I don't personally care about any image that I may have in an online community. I help when I feel up to it and I also help by exposing, what I feel to be, a childish methodology here. This is how I evaluate the feedback I get online. I always consider the source. When the source proves to be something other than sincere, it's worthless to me. Wouldn't you agree?

I removed some of my comments that were very old and not checked as helpful, then it become boring but I will probably get back to it in the future.

Most of the images I found that were not checked as helpful by the photographer had no comments checked as helpful!! surely of all the comments something must be helpful. Who is being sincere ?

John as you were one of these people I can assure you my comments were sincere and they were removed because they serve no purpose for the photographer who is the intended audience.

If you are sincere and personally dont care for your images here you shouldn't care if we remove our comments!

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

10/05/2005 10:16:32 PM · #46

Originally posted by keegbow:

If you are sincere and personally dont care for your images here you shouldn't care if we remove our comments!

I think you misunderstood me. I don't care for the image (attitude) I may project on this website... I do care for my images (as in photographs) that are here. I do not care for comments or critiques that are put on them for the sole purpose of getting them checked as helpful. I rarely check an image as helpful, whether it is or not. My personal requirement for getting that check is when insight is transferred between myself and the viewer. It doesn't happen often.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

10/05/2005 10:27:59 PM · #47

Originally posted by rex:

Its sad, but its true. John may not care about his online image here at DPC, but I do deem him as a respectable figure here.

back on topic, I notice most some people dont read or fully understand the entire thread before posting replies or forming opinions? :p

mandyturner

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/05/2005 10:36:49 PM · #48

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I agree with you totally. This whole idea is immature. I am an adult. I will leave comments if I feel lead to do so. If it was helpful...great. If not...thats fine too. I don't even check to see if they thought it was helpful. So what if my comments are not marked helpful? Who cares? Why not go back and maybe re-think your comment if you are bored. Maybe when you look at the picture again you might think differently and not even agree with your own comment, but if you do--leave it.

There are some comments I have rec that I did not mark as helpful. I think all comments are someone helpful. It is nice to see someone elses point of view and thoughts. Sometimes I just don't agree. I may like my photo just the way it is, even if everyone else thinks its crap.
I usually mark it if I agree or not, but I am thankful for ALL of the comments I rec, reguardless. Removing your comment or suggestion is a bad idea. What if later I went back and read your comment and thought..."you know he's right!" and took your suggestions and re-shot the photograph. How will I be able to do that if you delete it?

10/06/2005 01:01:28 AM · #49

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Please remove any comments you have left on my images. Based on your behavior, your comments are useless anyway. They didn't come from your heart and soul. They came out of desire to have it checked as helpful.

I think ASSUMPTIONS can hurt.

ttreit

Canon EOS-50D