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07/29/2002 05:04:35 PM · #26 |
John, I definitely see your point and understand how that may bug you more than me.
I was trying to figure out why it doesn't bug me all that much. One of my work partners said "Thats easy Scott, every photo you look at you envsion in a magazine with copy covering a section. You actually PREFER to have some fuzzy areas to print on". He said he does the same thing.
I said EUREKA!!!! |
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07/29/2002 05:13:49 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by hokie:
John, I definitely see your point and understand how that may bug you more than me.
I was trying to figure out why it doesn't bug me all that much. One of my work partners said "Thats easy Scott, every photo you look at you envsion in a magazine with copy covering a section. You actually PREFER to have some fuzzy areas to print on". He said he does the same thing.
I said EUREKA!!!!
Well, that could be true, but I also think that depth of field issues are purely subjective for most. It's simple preference most of the time. I usually require that some element of the photo be in focus tho :) Arni's work is always nice, and this is far from a bad image. It's a great image. I scored it a 7. Arni's problem is that he will never top "Got Toast" :) When you have a controversial image like that score so well, it sets a precedent that is difficult to top :)
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07/29/2002 05:20:25 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Well, that could be true, but I also think that depth of field issues are purely subjective for most. It's simple preference most of the time. I usually require that some element of the photo be in focus tho :) Arni's work is always nice, and this is far from a bad image. It's a great image. I scored it a 7. Arni's problem is that he will never top "Got Toast" :) When you have a controversial image like that score so well, it sets a precedent that is difficult to top :)
I agree about the "Got Toast" being great but I think he has had a couple better ones.
His 'Disappointment", "Caught By the Sun" and "Cupids Smile" were better to me than Toast from a photographic standpoint. But thats me :-)
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07/29/2002 05:20:54 PM · #29 |
subjective it might in fact be.
i tend to like creative use of dof and blur .. it's not the only thing i like, but i do like it when it's done interestingly :)
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07/29/2002 05:23:23 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
subjective it might in fact be.
i tend to like creative use of dof and blur .. it's not the only thing i like, but i do like it when it's done interestingly :)
Did you know that your 'american cheez grater' photo title was insensitive to the multicultural world outside of your hometown?
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07/29/2002 05:33:20 PM · #31 |
thanks for asking about that ....
here was the problem.
the problem was that i had this color element. i had an object: a cheez [sic] grater.
And I had to find a title.
Now I knew there was a kind of cheese called American Cheese. That seemed to fit both of the restraints mentioned above.
English cheese? no such animal. French cheese. nothing specifically called that ... etc etc. . . so American Cheese<grater> it was. . Circumstantial only, and no lack of love for the brothers and sisters all over this loveplanet.
Like if I had been doing a blue and white potato i would prolly called it French Fry .... :-D
Did you know that your 'american cheez grater' photo title was insensitive to the multicultural world outside of your hometown?
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07/29/2002 05:47:46 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Chains 'r Us and Revelation are good examples of 'if people knew who took those photos' they would have scored much higher. Those were incredible.
The quality of the photographers previous work would have merited a second look and even given them a benefit of the doubt to some prhotographers. I gave a 9 and a 10 to those respectively.
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Revelation is another photo where i had trouble with the DOF. The image concept was indeed phenomenal, but the strip of focus across the center of the photo bugged me a little... i would have rather seen focus in the foreground fading out of focus in the depth of the image...
Thanks for the comments on "Revelation". I must admit to being absolutely floored last Monday when it became obvious which way the photo was going to go. In hindsight, I can certainly see John's (and about 250 other people's! ;) ) point.
Personally, it was one of the favorites I've posted here.
I'll be posting some outtakes tonight that both address some of the issues raised, and show a lot of other takes on the same general concept. |
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07/29/2002 05:50:39 PM · #33 |
I find that over time some images grow on you whereas with others the effect wears off a little. (Also, it is very hard to do a really good job to vote carefully on over 200 submissions).
The image of all of the Texture submissions that has grown most for me is the Dark and Stormy Night. That image, besides the subtle original texture, the beautiful effect of the finger,and the subdued light, pulls me into a world of which I have no knowledge and stirs up a host of emotions in me (in fact, it brought tears to my eyes) that no other image was able to do. And I had not given it a 10 during voting. Silly me. |
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07/29/2002 06:34:47 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Journey:
[i]I find that over time some images grow on you whereas with others the effect wears off a little. (Also, it is very hard to do a really good job to vote carefully on over 200 submissions).
I think you hit the nail on the head, at least for me. The most I look at a shot is about 3 times : once on first pass and first cut rating, once again for fine tuning the score and some comments, and a third time for as many comments as I have time for. I'll often adjust up or down here also. With 200 shots, I can't look at them all three times (except as thumbnails)and I am sure some suffer because of it.
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07/29/2002 09:38:27 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by mcmurma:
Focus is a tricky subject.
I like "Smooth as Grass" too, but then I try and evaluate out of focus images to see if thats what I felt the photographer was after...then decide whether or not I like it. I thought "Smooth as Grass" was a great photo, didn''t do it for me texture wise, though.
I also really enjoyed "Chains R Us." Another criminally underated photo this week.
thank you all for your comments on Smooth as Grassâ€Â¦ obviously you and I are in the minority according to the voters.
The DOF was accidental as mentioned on a previous post but when I realized it, it was to late. And shooting with a cat.. you gotta take what you can get..they won''t stay still for long (especially when you want them to)
Here is a shot a took a month ago and is the texturethat I wanted but was not able to get. The cat was intentionally out of focus..I could have done one without the cat but I wanted an animate object in it
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/29/2002 9:38:35 PM. |
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07/29/2002 10:02:19 PM · #36 |
| Your welcome Thiek. Keep 'em coming. Accidental or not it does evoke a mood that would have been difficult to achieve otherwise. |
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07/29/2002 10:07:18 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
[i]subjective it might in fact be.
i tend to like creative use of dof and blur .. it''s not the only thing i like, but i do like it when it''s done interestingly :)
Did you know that your ''american cheez grater'' photo title was insensitive to the multicultural world outside of your hometown?
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1) The stuff is technically American Processed Cheese or "Cheese Food" (surprise).
2) Best-known brands in Western USA: Velveeta(r), Kraft(r)
3) It is almost impossible to grate, although it melts beatifully (see "nachos")
4) Most kids love it. Most adults hate it if they''ve ever learned to like any kind of French, English, Swiss, or Italian cheese.
5) Sealed package of Velveeta can be kept a long time at "room temperature" (think "fallout shelter")
6) Titles can be misleading gramatically (fortunate for those of us who like to write as well as photograph), partly because of capitalization conventions:
American cheese grater (cheese grater made in USA)
is not the same as
American Cheese grater (one specially designed to handle that gooey stuff)
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/29/2002 10:08:28 PM. |
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07/30/2002 01:34:58 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by mci:
[i]I don't know if this has ever been suggested, but it might be fun to close voting for a week to only those who submitted photographs. I'm not sure what would happen, but I think maybe we'd see less "confusing" scores and placings. I think it's the whole unknown passerby vote that mucks up a lot of our expectations.
- Mike
I think a 'photographers only' challenge would be very nice too :)[/i]
Maybe instead of forcing photographers to vote, as it was tried last week, we should go the other way around, you would need to submit a photo, in order to be able to vote... just a thought. |
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