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09/12/2005 09:02:48 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
I don't mean to sound stringent, but this is getting really sad in my opinion. After every challenge, it seems there is somebody bitching and moaning about the ribbon winners. 343 people voted on this challenge, and the ribbon winners got the majority of the higher votes. I find it excruciatingly funny how one person can think that they know better than most everybody else here on the site who participated in the voting, and then start a rampant thread demeaning the ribbon winners.
I for one respect the consensus of the voters, no matter how ill-fated my score might be in a challenge, as I am no expert on photography. To publically call out the ribbon winners in such an inviduous manner is disrespectful not only to the ribbon winners, but also to the majority of voters. If you feel so differently than the vast majority of voters and yet your entry scores in the lower 50 percentile, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your fundamentals and credentials as a photographer, and see what qualfies you to make implications like these. |
I 2nd
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09/12/2005 09:10:05 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
I don't mean to sound stringent, but this is getting really sad in my opinion. After every challenge, it seems there is somebody bitching and moaning about the ribbon winners. 343 people voted on this challenge, and the ribbon winners got the majority of the higher votes. I find it excruciatingly funny how one person can think that they know better than most everybody else here on the site who participated in the voting, and then start a rampant thread demeaning the ribbon winners.
I for one respect the consensus of the voters, no matter how ill-fated my score might be in a challenge, as I am no expert on photography. To publically call out the ribbon winners in such an inviduous manner is disrespectful not only to the ribbon winners, but also to the majority of voters. If you feel so differently than the vast majority of voters and yet your entry scores in the lower 50 percentile, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your fundamentals and credentials as a photographer, and see what qualfies you to make implications like these. |
I would point out that maybe not all 343 voters have the faintest idea what a high contrast picture is, I for one thought I did, but obviously don't. I would add that I have no problem with the outcome here but maybe the more knowledgable people here could pre-educate us on the finer points next time a challenge is this technical LOL.
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09/12/2005 09:13:30 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
I don't mean to sound stringent, but this is getting really sad in my opinion. After every challenge, it seems there is somebody bitching and moaning about the ribbon winners. 343 people voted on this challenge, and the ribbon winners got the majority of the higher votes. I find it excruciatingly funny how one person can think that they know better than most everybody else here on the site who participated in the voting, and then start a rampant thread demeaning the ribbon winners.
I for one respect the consensus of the voters, no matter how ill-fated my score might be in a challenge, as I am no expert on photography. To publically call out the ribbon winners in such an inviduous manner is disrespectful not only to the ribbon winners, but also to the majority of voters. If you feel so differently than the vast majority of voters and yet your entry scores in the lower 50 percentile, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your fundamentals and credentials as a photographer, and see what qualfies you to make implications like these. |
Amen!
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09/12/2005 09:16:10 AM · #79 |
I dont think it is sad! I just think there is an important lesson here to be learned. If the ribbons are your goal then you have to aquire a skill for appealing to the voter.
If your here like me, ribbons take second to bugging everybody here, and playing spoiler to those expensive cameras out there. LOL.
S.O.S. I need a camera people, hook me up. |
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09/12/2005 09:18:07 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
I don't mean to sound stringent, but this is getting really sad in my opinion. After every challenge, it seems there is somebody bitching and moaning about the ribbon winners. 343 people voted on this challenge, and the ribbon winners got the majority of the higher votes. I find it excruciatingly funny how one person can think that they know better than most everybody else here on the site who participated in the voting, and then start a rampant thread demeaning the ribbon winners.
I for one respect the consensus of the voters, no matter how ill-fated my score might be in a challenge, as I am no expert on photography. To publically call out the ribbon winners in such an inviduous manner is disrespectful not only to the ribbon winners, but also to the majority of voters. If you feel so differently than the vast majority of voters and yet your entry scores in the lower 50 percentile, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your fundamentals and credentials as a photographer, and see what qualfies you to make implications like these. |
I can't respect cheating. I don't necesary mean this challenge but in others where all commenters know "anonymous" the photographer's name during challenge. So in this condition to me a large part of those 343 people are just a bounch of cheaters friends of the winner that he has on his YM, DPCFanatics and god knows where else. Sorry, no respect from me. |
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09/12/2005 09:22:10 AM · #81 |
??? Huh ???
I have ocean front property in Arizona for you if you REALLY believe what you are saying. ;^)
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
...I don't necesary mean this challenge but in others where all commenters know "anonymous" the photographer's name during challenge. So in this condition to me a large part of those 343 people are just a bounch of cheaters friends of the winner that he has on his YM, DPCFanatics and god knows where else. Sorry, no respect from me. |
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09/12/2005 09:26:36 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
??? Huh ???
I have ocean front property in Arizona for you if you REALLY believe what you are saying. ;^)
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I am 100% sure about it. Only this can explain why the same people win over and over again, while images 10 times better even by DPC standards, are in the middle in the pack, the same people who always turn out to be verry popular in the forums. And in every of that case every second commenter is stupid enough to name the "anonymous photographer".
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 09:27:58. |
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09/12/2005 09:27:57 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Sorry...I am prepared to get slammed big time for this BUT...the blue IS NOT a high contrast shot. Yes, it is an excellent photograph. There is no question on that. But where is the high contrast?
The second place is also a great photo, but where is the high contrast? |
I'm inclined to agree with you here. The blue (a great shot for sure) exhibits evenly balanced contrast to me plus highlights. Certainly not what I'd call "High Contrast". It certainly doesn't depict any "contrast" -- unless you've never seen a man with dark skin before. The red, to me, does at least have contrast conceptually between the main subject and the rest of the picture. The red shows no "High Contrast" to me what-so-ever -- just high saturation. Damn nice shot though.
But we know from experience, so long as your photo can be argued to be in some minor way fitting of the challenge and it's exceptional in every other way, it'll get high votes. Heck, I bet a photo with nothing but mid-tones simply titled "In High Contrast to the Other Entries" would have scored well if it had some sexy female in it or something. *sigh*
As for "respecting the voters" -- individually, sure. No problem. As a group -- forget it. I'll exercise my right to have my own ideas, however unpopular.
Gosh, I think I'm exhibiting a highly contrasting synical attitude! LOL
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 09:37:17. |
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09/12/2005 09:29:05 AM · #84 |
The fact that a very well respected and loved photographer on this site, put a self portrait into contrasts and was easily recognised, and did notscore highly by his usual standards, tells me that voters are being fair and judging a photo on its merit and not on the photographer.
Am I too gullible or am I right in thinking we enjoy photography for its own sake and not 'cos we or our "friends" may win virtual ribbons?
P
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09/12/2005 09:31:56 AM · #85 |
| Ok...I read this entire post. I'd have to say that the 1st place is a wonderful photo but IMHO, is not high contrast. The 2nd place is a little more high contrast and the 3rd is more so than the first. But again, this is my opinion. I'm not complaining about not getting a ribbon, if you look at my photo, it deserved exactly what it got. But also, since I am a novice and its apparent that novices are ignorant to what high contrast is (this is according to some who have posted to this thread) give us a little credit that we have brains and eyes and that our monitors are not all uncalibrated. I came to this site to learn, to improve but I'm so disheartened by the bitching, the name calling and the utter disrespect. I myself have posed my opinion on a few threads and I now think when I would like to have my photo critiqued, then I'm ignored. Well fine...IMHO maybe I'll just quit this site. Its left a very bad taste in my mouth and I really haven't picked up my camera as much as I use to. I'm almost afraid to enter challenges. When I found this site I thought finally I could expand my experience but I feel that its halted it. So thank you for all that you have undone that I have tried to accomplished. |
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09/12/2005 09:32:00 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Am I too gullible or am I right in thinking we enjoy photography for its own sake and not 'cos we or our "friends" may win virtual ribbons?
P |
You mean they don't actually mail you a real ribbon??? geesh, forget this. I'm out.
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09/12/2005 09:35:34 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
??? Huh ???
I have ocean front property in Arizona for you if you REALLY believe what you are saying. ;^)
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I am 100% sure about it. Only this can explain why the same people win over and over again, while images 10 times better even by DPC standards, are in the middle in the pack, the same people who always turn out to be verry popular in the forums. And in every of that case every second commenter is stupid enough to name the "anonymous photographer". |
Maybe it's because there are some really good photographers here that seem to take amazing photos over and over and submit them. Mind-blowing.
And some of these might have a very distinct style so that you know who has taken the photo because it looks like theirs. I have seen where people have thought it was one person's photo, and it wasn't.
Let's please not accuse people of cheating and pumping up scores. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But I like to think there are enough voters on here to make things fair for everyone. If there are people cheating, let that rest on their conscience.
This site is for learning, you don't actually win prizes, except for the cute little ribbons. Everyone, let's just learn instead of complaining! What's it gonna be next week, and the week after? I wanna hear some congrats instead of complaining. |
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09/12/2005 09:41:32 AM · #88 |
I have pondered this idea too a couple of times, but the simplicity of this situation is being eluded. For one, to be even a halfway decent photographer you don't want biased votes, which in itself excludes more than half, because the photographers that steadily win are in fact halfway decent photographers, and in most cases phenomenal! The second to the simplicity is this: I use this site to "my" advantage, nobody elses. Which in turn leads me in the direction I want to be going, and that is getting better.
I think it is just very hard to try and find what the voter is looking for. And I have said all along one of the hardest skills to aquire. |
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09/12/2005 09:42:59 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
I don't mean to sound stringent, but this is getting really sad in my opinion. After every challenge, it seems there is somebody bitching and moaning about the ribbon winners. 343 people voted on this challenge, and the ribbon winners got the majority of the higher votes. I find it excruciatingly funny how one person can think that they know better than most everybody else here on the site who participated in the voting, and then start a rampant thread demeaning the ribbon winners.
I for one respect the consensus of the voters, no matter how ill-fated my score might be in a challenge, as I am no expert on photography. To publically call out the ribbon winners in such an inviduous manner is disrespectful not only to the ribbon winners, but also to the majority of voters. If you feel so differently than the vast majority of voters and yet your entry scores in the lower 50 percentile, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your fundamentals and credentials as a photographer, and see what qualfies you to make implications like these. |
exactly right |
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09/12/2005 09:57:27 AM · #90 |
To the guy who suggested I only posted to this thread because my photo didn't score high, take a look at my other photos. None of them have scored high, it doesn't really bother me.. or I wouldn't keep submitting photos.
I meant what I said before, the winners were great pictures but there were many pictures that met the challenge in a much more artistic way, AND were great shots as well. By the definition you guys are using, nearly every picture ever taken is "high contrast". As long as it has some light and dark areas you're good to go. Read what I said before about the kind of photo that should have won, honestly. |
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09/12/2005 10:13:51 AM · #91 |
I've provided another thread (Cheater, cheater.... ;-)) where this can be discussed further if so desired, as it takes away from the original post of this thread somewhat.
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
??? Huh ???
I have ocean front property in Arizona for you if you REALLY believe what you are saying. ;^)
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I am 100% sure about it. Only this can explain why the same people win over and over again, while images 10 times better even by DPC standards, are in the middle in the pack, the same people who always turn out to be verry popular in the forums. And in every of that case every second commenter is stupid enough to name the "anonymous photographer". |
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 10:14:27.
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09/12/2005 11:13:02 AM · #92 |
| All three ribbons in this challenge are well deserved, selected by the DPC voters with impeccable taste and judgement. IMO, DPC voters have above average appreciation of photographic arts and more importantly, DPC voters have an interest in the venue. The winners are truly winners! |
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09/12/2005 11:22:17 AM · #93 |
| It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
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09/12/2005 11:37:09 AM · #94 |
I was very disappointed in my showing, not that my shot was great, but I did think it met the definition. Here is an outtake that might have done better??  |
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09/12/2005 12:31:55 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by bruski:
It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
Amen, brother...
R.
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09/12/2005 12:44:09 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by bruski:
It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
Amen, brother...
R. |
I agree. BTW - I'm still having fun! |
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09/12/2005 12:51:22 PM · #97 |
This is kind of a generalization, but I understand your meaning. I think it's a personality type, more than a "main reason for being here".
I play the challenges to win ... period. I love tracking my stats and putting photo's up against photographers whom I consider to be better than myself ... and I love it when I win (which needs to happen more).
... but I dislike these "complaint threads" just as much as anyone here.
Originally posted by bruski:
It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
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09/12/2005 12:58:58 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by sacredspirit:
I dont think it is sad! I just think there is an important lesson here to be learned. If the ribbons are your goal then you have to aquire a skill for appealing to the voter.
If your here like me, ribbons take second to bugging everybody here, and playing spoiler to those expensive cameras out there. LOL.
S.O.S. I need a camera people, hook me up. |
My goals exactly!
I saw an incredible contrast in texture and gave it a ten by the way.
Message edited by author 2005-09-13 23:55:30.
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09/12/2005 02:25:00 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
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A majority doesn't mean brains, taste, knowledge, feeling and all those. It's just a bounch of people. |
Should we assume that you are NOT part of the majority then??? How elitist is that???
Ray |
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09/12/2005 02:41:24 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by bruski:
It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
I don't expect my pictures to win anything yet, I just do my best and see what people think, if they like it then good I'm getting better, if not then oh well, I won't do that again. It tends to bother me, though, seeing way above average works by OTHER people getting way lower than they deserve.
It brings me back to the name of the challenge... the high contrast should be a main part of the photo, it should make or break the photo. Imagine people thinking the shoes challenge was all about 'a nice picture, that has shoes in it'. No, it had to be more than that, the shoes had to be the major part of the photo.. there were alot of great looking shots of.. shoes.. not really there for a reason, not beautiful at all on their own, that got voted low.
It's a bit easier when it comes to shoes then with something abstract like high contrast though. Personally, I think there were photos much better suited to the challenge in that the high contrast was a part of everything in the image. Not just a photo of something, which happened to have a few bright and dark areas. That's my opinion, everyone is entitled to their own, but from what I've seen DPC isn't a site for stopping people from voicing (typing) their opinions. I wasn't attacking anyone.. I admit the winning photos are all awesome photos, they just werent *made* for the challenge any more than a picture of shoes by themselves with a beautiful sunset behind them was *made* for the shoes challenge (it'd be a picture of the sunset, with shoes thrown in to meet the challenge). AND before anyone gets mad at my saying that, I only voted on 70% of the shoes entries and didnt see any like I just described, that was just an example. So if there is one like that, I wasn't speaking of your photo. |
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