Have we no shame at DPC?! - DPChallenge Forums

08/24/2005 08:09:51 AM · #26

Originally posted by gibun:

should we now laugh and cry while we pee or pee while we cry and laugh..

I'm going to throw up. Is that ok?

notonline

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/24/2005 08:10:33 AM · #27

Originally posted by gibun:

should we now laugh and cry while we pee or pee while we cry and laugh..

it's way to earily to be this philosophical.

08/24/2005 08:12:39 AM · #28

Originally posted by lshles:

this discussion represents differences in culture and experience.

Kind of like that. When you are a spoiled ocidental you can joke just about anything. When you see the suffer of those children every day and you have a heart, it's kinda hard to swallow jokes about that. Sorry for spoiling everyone's fun I'll step aside now.

Message edited by author 2005-08-24 08:13:14.

08/24/2005 08:18:43 AM · #29

Posted by frumoaznicul,
Kind of like that. When you are a spoiled ocidental you can joke just about anything. When you see the suffer of those children every day and you have a heart, it's kinda hard to swallow jokes about that. Sorry for spoiling everyone's fun I'll step aside now.

frumoaznicul,
No need to step aside. Until we have walked in your shoes (that's for the next challenge), we have to know your point of view. One way to educated us is to continue to upload images like the following one:

I would love to see a series of your photos dealing with the pain you have witnessed.

Message edited by author 2005-08-24 08:27:43.

08/24/2005 08:28:29 AM · #30

There seems to be among a few DPers a need to trivilize everything and I am not including you 'ishles' among them. Whether in society or here.

08/24/2005 08:33:02 AM · #31

What a wonderful place to learn technique but my goodness attempt to delve deeper into issues, involving photography, and out come the harsh dismissive comments. Does everything have to be pretty and soul-less here?

08/24/2005 08:41:12 AM · #32

Freud had a lot to say about smoking and sort of linked it to a fixation, or is it regression and blamed the fact that the babe was taken off the breasts to early thus still needing to suck on something. It is said that once a student asked him about his own habit of smoking cigars. His answer... "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

For all of us... sometimes a joke is truely just a joke and nobody needs to get uppity about it. Sad that even this can become a war of words instead of a moment of tolerance.

08/24/2005 08:45:58 AM · #33

Does everything have to be pretty and soul-less here?

I think there are several ways that "visual" people can experience the world. One way is to become excited by shape, texture, color, etc. and not feel any inclination to go beyond that stimulation. Some on this site function in that way. Another way is to respond by digging beneath the immediate sensory response, ie. deeper meanings, social significance, symbolism, etc. Some here function that way. Neither way is superior, they just represent the diversity of human perception.

I have quickly learned here that some of the social commentary in some of my images simply doesn't reach a percentage of viewers. Likewise, my attempts at humor go right past a percentage. I accept that and just keep trying to get technically better.

08/24/2005 08:46:26 AM · #34

Originally posted by lshles:

continue to upload images like the following one:

08/24/2005 08:52:55 AM · #35

'frumoaznicul' keep at it and I hope you continue here. I wouldn't concern yourself with winning here too much. Your pictures show you have something to contribute here.

08/24/2005 08:56:10 AM · #36

I will. Even tho what i like to phpotograph is sad stuff that most people choose to ignore, and I hardly belive i'll ever win with them. People like shiny preety colorful mainstream. I rarely have any feelings for that so I'll keep it my way that's for sure.

Let me recommend that you create a folder in your portfolio for your photojournalism images. You can give it a theme title. From my perspective, I might call it something like "Aftermath Of An Insane Dictatorship." Forget about submitting them for challenges. Just use the site to express your powerful feelings about your country and people. I, for one, would visit that folder often.

08/24/2005 08:58:51 AM · #37

Originally posted by lshles:

I have quickly learned here that some of the social commentary in some of my images simply doesn't reach a percentage of viewers. Likewise, my attempts at humor go right past a percentage. I accept that and just keep trying to get technically better.

Exactly. Like I said, most people choose to ignore sad and painful things that don't affect them directly. I mean isn't it easier to watch a good comedy hav a lough than go to sleep satisfied? Ignorance is bliss they say. I have no problem with that. Like you say everyone has a different perspective in life and who am I to judge? They go millions to G8 concert just to see eminem and snoop doggy dog but I doubt 2% of those people really gave a poop about what that was all about, starving people in the 3'rd world. I have no problem with that eyther, I just got a bit ofended by the fact that starved children were included in an sarcasm about dpc'ers being too spoiled throwing away food, while children starv elsewere, and I think that should be no sarcasm it's reality in you won't belive how many placess. Ofcourse the few botles of milk that were thrown away for the challenge won't make any difference, that's why I said, if you were serious in your first post I would of told you you are overreacting.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/24/2005 09:11:10 AM · #38

frumoaznicul,
I consider this discussion settled. I certainly respect and understand your position. BTW, I tend to see everything symbolically. The first time I looked at your entry, Natural Madness, and then realized you were from Romania, I instantly translated that to The Madness Of Ceausescu.
That is what I see in the picture, the sickness in a society ruled by madmen. Any response to that?

marmalade1121

Canon EOS-1D X

08/24/2005 09:21:03 AM · #39

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

Originally posted by lshles:
continue to upload images like the following one:

I will. Even tho what i like to phpotograph is sad stuff that most people choose to ignore, and I hardly belive i'll ever win with them. People like shiny preety colorful mainstream. I rarely have any feelings for that so I'll keep it my way that's for sure.

It's not ignorable material. Having seen poor Romanian beggars onthe streets of Krakow & Czestochowa in Poland I can attest to the fact that it is not ignorable. These people sitting on the side of the buildings, unable to even call out for money because they are weak from hunger, their eyes penetrate into your soul. You capture that feeling very well in your photography. You cannot ignore it.

08/24/2005 09:32:44 AM · #40

Originally posted by lshles:

Lol, no even tho I tend to be a symbolist myself, I never looked taht that picture like that. I said it several times, even tho I won a blue ribbon with it, It is one of my pictures that I don't really like, beacause it doesn't tell me anything. (Thanks for adding a meaning to it) :)) It's just an experiment, just a tree to me, nothing else.

Ceausescu was killed 16 years ago and it's true he left behind a preety sick society, not him alone but the 50 years of communism, cold war, and a long storry. Ceausescu was 10 times a bigger criminal than what most of the other countries around had, I'll say he is top 10 the world ever had, so I guess mad is a small word for him. Still I can see it in the picture :) Maybe because I still have his face present in my mind, we had his picture on the wall in the classroom all my first 8 years of school. But now that you mentioned it, I guess the situation here and what he left behind is about as complicated as the branchess of that tree. So if you wish you can see it like that even tho I didn't thought of it like that.

08/24/2005 09:47:22 AM · #41

But now that you mentioned it, I guess the situation here and what he left behind is about as complicated as the branchess of that tree. So if you wish you can see it like that even tho I didn't thought of it like that.
I'm glad that my interpretation sits well with you. When I look at your photo, I literally don't even see a tree. I see a society ravaged by brutality.
Anyway, got to go. I certainly enjoyed our chat. I hope to see more of your "serious" work uploaded to your portfolio. Actually, I can't wait. You have the passion, talent and vision to communicate something of great importance.

Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 ASPH

08/24/2005 10:10:30 AM · #42

'Ishles' how do you see this in a tree? You have absorbed an idea of a place and situation and 'you' have applied it. Photography is more than personal views and opinions. There is more there and less. We are moved by those less off than us then we literally 'move off'. Like many pictures here we look at them, gush a little, then 'move on'. The quick fix satified. A lasting, altering influence is much deeper and more difficult to attain. Like 'fruoazniul' said it is a tree. It is often easier to attach our beliefs and emotions to objects that make it easy for us to disengage from........

Olyuzi

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7

08/24/2005 10:23:21 AM · #43

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA [/SARCASM OFF]

Originally posted by lshles:

Re: Dairy Challenge.
I mean, didn't anyone ever tell you folks that you are not supposed to play with your food?! For God's sake, there are children starving in Niger and you people are going around spilling milk, spewing milk, dribbling milk, splashing and trashing milk. How do you think an emaciated child in the Ivory Coast feels when he boots up his laptop and sees these images of Western gluttony, degradation and waste? And no doubt the Americans are the major offenders. They refuse to share their wealth with the third world, then go and spit milk right in the eyes of those less fortunate. Wise up before it is too late. Cows of the world are already beginning to align with emerging nations. Come the day when they decide to shut off your milk, you won't be able to bomb them into submission. And don't think that you will be able to drill for milk in the ANWR. All they have up there are Frosties and Smoothies.

Come to your senses. Go take a picture of a nude! [/humor off]

This was totally tongue in cheek. It has been amazing to see where this thread led to. You never know where the ripples in the water might lead.

Message edited by author 2005-08-24 10:24:39.

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

08/24/2005 10:27:02 AM · #44

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA [/SARCASM OFF]

Originally posted by lshles:
Re: Dairy Challenge.
I mean, didn't anyone ever tell you folks that you are not supposed to play with your food?! For God's sake, there are children starving in Niger and you people are going around spilling milk, spewing milk, dribbling milk, splashing and trashing milk. How do you think an emaciated child in the Ivory Coast feels when he boots up his laptop and sees these images of Western gluttony, degradation and waste? And no doubt the Americans are the major offenders. They refuse to share their wealth with the third world, then go and spit milk right in the eyes of those less fortunate. Wise up before it is too late. Cows of the world are already beginning to align with emerging nations. Come the day when they decide to shut off your milk, you won't be able to bomb them into submission. And don't think that you will be able to drill for milk in the ANWR. All they have up there are Frosties and Smoothies.

Come to your senses. Go take a picture of a nude! [/humor off]

This was totally tongue in cheek. It has been amazing to see where this thread led to. You never know where the ripples in the water might lead.

Chit?????????

08/24/2005 10:30:15 AM · #45

How many of you remember MR Glass slippers?

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

08/24/2005 10:33:07 AM · #46

Originally posted by gibun:

How many of you remember MR Glass slippers?

Who?

08/24/2005 10:35:11 AM · #47

mr glass slippers, a chit from long ago...

08/24/2005 10:36:05 AM · #48

Learn as though you would never be able to master it; hold it as though you would be in fear of losing it........Confuscius

Of course it was tongue in cheek...........What isn't?

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

08/24/2005 10:41:22 AM · #49

Originally posted by gibun:

mr glass slippers, a chit from long ago...

Don't remember.....please enlighten.