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09/20/2005 10:40:51 PM · #1 |
Ishles, I just have to say that I think you have shown an incredible amount of understanding, tact, and empathy with regard to the comments on your intended-to-be-sarcastic-and-funny thread. This is one of the reasons I like DPCers so much. We can try to make light of very serious situations (that indeed is the purpose of humor - to help us deal with those inequities of life), yet still maintain a modicum of decorum and tact when explaining your point of view.
Hats off to you bro'. Yes, I'm certainly conscious and saddened by the injustices of the world, but if we don't retain our sense of humor, then I'm not sure that the world would be a very happy place for any of us.
frumoaznicul: I think that Ishles has clearly stated that his comments were meant in jest. I can't possibly imagine what you have gone through or seen in your part of the world - I only have my own experience to go by. But, even when issues are dear to my heart - and in-my-face every day, I still try to see the humor in every day life and fate. It's frequently not pretty and sometimes it is completely unacceptable, but if we can at least try to see those issues from another person's point of view (regardless of how offensive of off-hand it may seem at the moment), then I personally think that there is some hope for humankind. Without that type of empathy and desire to see things from a different point of view, I think that the world is a very dark and dismal place for everyone.
Just my 2 cents...
EDIT: Well said jadin. :-)
Message edited by author 2005-09-20 22:43:15.
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09/20/2005 09:16:19 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Exactly. Like I said, most people choose to ignore sad and painful things that don't affect them directly. I mean isn't it easier to watch a good comedy hav a lough than go to sleep satisfied? Ignorance is bliss they say. I have no problem with that. Like you say everyone has a different perspective in life and who am I to judge? They go millions to G8 concert just to see eminem and snoop doggy dog but I doubt 2% of those people really gave a poop about what that was all about, starving people in the 3'rd world. I have no problem with that eyther, I just got a bit ofended by the fact that starved children were included in an sarcasm about dpc'ers being too spoiled throwing away food, while children starv elsewere, and I think that should be no sarcasm it's reality in you won't belive how many placess. Ofcourse the few botles of milk that were thrown away for the challenge won't make any difference, that's why I said, if you were serious in your first post I would of told you you are overreacting. |
It's not about choosing to ignore, it's about what you can accomplish. Truth is your average citizen of a developed nation has very little control about what happens outside of their small community. There is enough food on this planet to feed everyone sufficiently. But when developed nations donate food / money, very little (if any) of that food actually gets to the people who need it. Be it stopped by governments, red tape, or countless other barriers.
The end result is a surplus of food / money stuck here while we sit around with our thumbs up our butts, unable to do anything.
A joke such as the one at the start of this thread doesn't make fun of starving children, it makes fun of western nations who have the ability to stop the suffering, but choose not to, or are unable to. You need to realize that the average citizen has virtually no control over what happens to it's tax dollars and or donations to third world contries.
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08/24/2005 02:32:43 PM · #3 |
Just bullcrap. Bullcrap, I tell ya! LOL
Shouldn't make fun of him, consider where he lives. It's sad.
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Here is his profile...glass_slippers
Interesting forum post and profile details. ;^)
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by gibun:
mr glass slippers, a chit from long ago... |
Don't remember.....please enlighten. |
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08/24/2005 02:13:38 PM · #4 |
| Someone accused my nude challenge entry as a "Chit" entry. Ya caught me. Some times I think this site has lost some of it fun and sense of humour. Chit helped a bit, come on back. |
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08/24/2005 10:59:41 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Here is his profile...glass_slippers
Interesting forum post and profile details. ;^)
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by gibun:
mr glass slippers, a chit from long ago... |
Don't remember.....please enlighten. |
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I marked him as a fav. I will go back tongiht and read. wuickly scanned and they seem very entertaining
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08/24/2005 10:48:55 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Oh yea is such a great thing to make fun of the starved children in the 3'rd world. I keep rolling on the floor loughing. Can't stop. |
I'll bet you would bust a gut watching South Park.
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08/24/2005 10:48:10 AM · #7 |
Here is his profile...glass_slippers
Interesting forum post and profile details. ;^)
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by gibun:
mr glass slippers, a chit from long ago... |
Don't remember.....please enlighten. |
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08/24/2005 10:41:59 AM · #8 |
confuscius also said;
"man who dips his line in another man's pool may catch crabs" |
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08/24/2005 10:41:22 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by gibun:
mr glass slippers, a chit from long ago... |
Don't remember.....please enlighten.
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08/24/2005 10:36:05 AM · #10 |
Learn as though you would never be able to master it; hold it as though you would be in fear of losing it........Confuscius
Of course it was tongue in cheek...........What isn't?
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08/24/2005 10:35:11 AM · #11 |
| mr glass slippers, a chit from long ago... |
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08/24/2005 10:33:07 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by gibun:
How many of you remember MR Glass slippers? |
Who?
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08/24/2005 10:30:15 AM · #13 |
| How many of you remember MR Glass slippers? |
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08/24/2005 10:27:02 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA [/SARCASM OFF]
Originally posted by lshles:
Re: Dairy Challenge.
I mean, didn't anyone ever tell you folks that you are not supposed to play with your food?! For God's sake, there are children starving in Niger and you people are going around spilling milk, spewing milk, dribbling milk, splashing and trashing milk. How do you think an emaciated child in the Ivory Coast feels when he boots up his laptop and sees these images of Western gluttony, degradation and waste? And no doubt the Americans are the major offenders. They refuse to share their wealth with the third world, then go and spit milk right in the eyes of those less fortunate. Wise up before it is too late. Cows of the world are already beginning to align with emerging nations. Come the day when they decide to shut off your milk, you won't be able to bomb them into submission. And don't think that you will be able to drill for milk in the ANWR. All they have up there are Frosties and Smoothies.
Come to your senses. Go take a picture of a nude! [/humor off]
This was totally tongue in cheek. It has been amazing to see where this thread led to. You never know where the ripples in the water might lead. |
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Chit?????????
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08/24/2005 10:23:21 AM · #15 |
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA [/SARCASM OFF]
Originally posted by lshles:
Re: Dairy Challenge.
I mean, didn't anyone ever tell you folks that you are not supposed to play with your food?! For God's sake, there are children starving in Niger and you people are going around spilling milk, spewing milk, dribbling milk, splashing and trashing milk. How do you think an emaciated child in the Ivory Coast feels when he boots up his laptop and sees these images of Western gluttony, degradation and waste? And no doubt the Americans are the major offenders. They refuse to share their wealth with the third world, then go and spit milk right in the eyes of those less fortunate. Wise up before it is too late. Cows of the world are already beginning to align with emerging nations. Come the day when they decide to shut off your milk, you won't be able to bomb them into submission. And don't think that you will be able to drill for milk in the ANWR. All they have up there are Frosties and Smoothies.
Come to your senses. Go take a picture of a nude! [/humor off]
This was totally tongue in cheek. It has been amazing to see where this thread led to. You never know where the ripples in the water might lead. |
Message edited by author 2005-08-24 10:24:39. |
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08/24/2005 10:10:30 AM · #16 |
'Ishles' how do you see this in a tree? You have absorbed an idea of a place and situation and 'you' have applied it. Photography is more than personal views and opinions. There is more there and less. We are moved by those less off than us then we literally 'move off'. Like many pictures here we look at them, gush a little, then 'move on'. The quick fix satified. A lasting, altering influence is much deeper and more difficult to attain. Like 'fruoazniul' said it is a tree. It is often easier to attach our beliefs and emotions to objects that make it easy for us to disengage from........
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08/24/2005 09:47:22 AM · #17 |
But now that you mentioned it, I guess the situation here and what he left behind is about as complicated as the branchess of that tree. So if you wish you can see it like that even tho I didn't thought of it like that.
I'm glad that my interpretation sits well with you. When I look at your photo, I literally don't even see a tree. I see a society ravaged by brutality.
Anyway, got to go. I certainly enjoyed our chat. I hope to see more of your "serious" work uploaded to your portfolio. Actually, I can't wait. You have the passion, talent and vision to communicate something of great importance. |
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08/24/2005 09:32:44 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by lshles:
frumoaznicul,
I consider this discussion settled. I certainly respect and understand your position. BTW, I tend to see everything symbolically. The first time I looked at your entry, Natural Madness, and then realized you were from Romania, I instantly translated that to The Madness Of Ceausescu.
That is what I see in the picture, the sickness in a society ruled by madmen. Any response to that?
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Lol, no even tho I tend to be a symbolist myself, I never looked taht that picture like that. I said it several times, even tho I won a blue ribbon with it, It is one of my pictures that I don't really like, beacause it doesn't tell me anything. (Thanks for adding a meaning to it) :)) It's just an experiment, just a tree to me, nothing else.
Ceausescu was killed 16 years ago and it's true he left behind a preety sick society, not him alone but the 50 years of communism, cold war, and a long storry. Ceausescu was 10 times a bigger criminal than what most of the other countries around had, I'll say he is top 10 the world ever had, so I guess mad is a small word for him. Still I can see it in the picture :) Maybe because I still have his face present in my mind, we had his picture on the wall in the classroom all my first 8 years of school. But now that you mentioned it, I guess the situation here and what he left behind is about as complicated as the branchess of that tree. So if you wish you can see it like that even tho I didn't thought of it like that. |
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08/24/2005 09:21:03 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by lshles:
continue to upload images like the following one: |
I will. Even tho what i like to phpotograph is sad stuff that most people choose to ignore, and I hardly belive i'll ever win with them. People like shiny preety colorful mainstream. I rarely have any feelings for that so I'll keep it my way that's for sure. |
It's not ignorable material. Having seen poor Romanian beggars onthe streets of Krakow & Czestochowa in Poland I can attest to the fact that it is not ignorable. These people sitting on the side of the buildings, unable to even call out for money because they are weak from hunger, their eyes penetrate into your soul. You capture that feeling very well in your photography. You cannot ignore it. |
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08/24/2005 09:11:10 AM · #20 |
frumoaznicul,
I consider this discussion settled. I certainly respect and understand your position. BTW, I tend to see everything symbolically. The first time I looked at your entry, Natural Madness, and then realized you were from Romania, I instantly translated that to The Madness Of Ceausescu.
That is what I see in the picture, the sickness in a society ruled by madmen. Any response to that?
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08/24/2005 08:58:51 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by lshles:
I have quickly learned here that some of the social commentary in some of my images simply doesn't reach a percentage of viewers. Likewise, my attempts at humor go right past a percentage. I accept that and just keep trying to get technically better. |
Exactly. Like I said, most people choose to ignore sad and painful things that don't affect them directly. I mean isn't it easier to watch a good comedy hav a lough than go to sleep satisfied? Ignorance is bliss they say. I have no problem with that. Like you say everyone has a different perspective in life and who am I to judge? They go millions to G8 concert just to see eminem and snoop doggy dog but I doubt 2% of those people really gave a poop about what that was all about, starving people in the 3'rd world. I have no problem with that eyther, I just got a bit ofended by the fact that starved children were included in an sarcasm about dpc'ers being too spoiled throwing away food, while children starv elsewere, and I think that should be no sarcasm it's reality in you won't belive how many placess. Ofcourse the few botles of milk that were thrown away for the challenge won't make any difference, that's why I said, if you were serious in your first post I would of told you you are overreacting. |
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08/24/2005 08:56:10 AM · #22 |
I will. Even tho what i like to phpotograph is sad stuff that most people choose to ignore, and I hardly belive i'll ever win with them. People like shiny preety colorful mainstream. I rarely have any feelings for that so I'll keep it my way that's for sure.
Let me recommend that you create a folder in your portfolio for your photojournalism images. You can give it a theme title. From my perspective, I might call it something like "Aftermath Of An Insane Dictatorship." Forget about submitting them for challenges. Just use the site to express your powerful feelings about your country and people. I, for one, would visit that folder often.
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08/24/2005 08:52:55 AM · #23 |
'frumoaznicul' keep at it and I hope you continue here. I wouldn't concern yourself with winning here too much. Your pictures show you have something to contribute here.
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08/24/2005 08:46:26 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by lshles:
continue to upload images like the following one: |
I will. Even tho what i like to phpotograph is sad stuff that most people choose to ignore, and I hardly belive i'll ever win with them. People like shiny preety colorful mainstream. I rarely have any feelings for that so I'll keep it my way that's for sure. |
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08/24/2005 08:45:58 AM · #25 |
Does everything have to be pretty and soul-less here?
I think there are several ways that "visual" people can experience the world. One way is to become excited by shape, texture, color, etc. and not feel any inclination to go beyond that stimulation. Some on this site function in that way. Another way is to respond by digging beneath the immediate sensory response, ie. deeper meanings, social significance, symbolism, etc. Some here function that way. Neither way is superior, they just represent the diversity of human perception.
I have quickly learned here that some of the social commentary in some of my images simply doesn't reach a percentage of viewers. Likewise, my attempts at humor go right past a percentage. I accept that and just keep trying to get technically better. |
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