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07/23/2002 06:10:08 PM · #76 |
My reason for the "picked photo" vs. "random photo" was simply to stimulate a good discussion. Ultimately I don't care how the photo is picked. I just fear that if it's completely random we end up looking at a photo that all we have to say is, "Shoot something else." We know there are photos like that -- the ones that are so bad you simply don't know what to say about them. Similarly, there have been some truly excellent shots that it's nearly (if not completely) impossible to say anything about other than, "Oh my gosh... this is good."
Picked, or random, I still think a moderator to lead the discussion would be a good idea. (But then I guess I would since I brought it up in the first place.) This individual could get the ball rolling, or ask appropriate questions of critiquers as they see fit -- perhaps to draw out something that they left half said.
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07/23/2002 06:15:42 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Patella:
Hence the reason for a moderator. If it really became an issue, then part of the critique process could always be that the photographer was not allowed to discuss their own work (or maybe not allowed except as a final comment). If people started to "abuse" the whole thing, it's very easy -- just don't critique their photos. If people attack comments that others have made during voting, or during the critiquing, same thing -- or simply cut their comment and/or ask them to write a new one. (Note: I'm not saying that a critique of a critique might not be valid. But there are ways to politely tell someone they're wrong while simultanesouly helping them learn something new.)
But what's the reason to have a moderator pick the photos, instead of random assignment? You could always have a moderator on the forum itself, but from being a moderator on these forums, they really don't need much moderation, and I don't know why a critique forum would be particularly different.
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07/23/2002 06:16:58 PM · #78 |
| hey Patella -- do you REALLY think everyone here would agree on ANYTHING? :-) |
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07/23/2002 06:19:34 PM · #79 |
| The moderators could select photos for critique... the photos could be ones that have not been in challenges in the past and they could remain anonymous as well. Candidtates for photo critiques could send their photo to a moderator for consideration as a critique subject... |
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07/23/2002 06:21:45 PM · #80 |
Good Idea, perhaps we could all view the top 25 choices and vote.
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07/23/2002 06:22:41 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by Patella:
My reason for the "picked photo" vs. "random photo" was simply to stimulate a good discussion. Ultimately I don't care how the photo is picked. I just fear that if it's completely random we end up looking at a photo that all we have to say is, "Shoot something else." We know there are photos like that -- the ones that are so bad you simply don't know what to say about them. Similarly, there have been some truly excellent shots that it's nearly (if not completely) impossible to say anything about other than, "Oh my gosh... this is [i]good."
Picked, or random, I still think a moderator to lead the discussion would be a good idea. (But then I guess I would since I brought it up in the first place.) This individual could get the ball rolling, or ask appropriate questions of critiquers as they see fit -- perhaps to draw out something that they left half said.
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Well, I think that it could be sort of instructive to force yourself to comment on something you think defies commenting. With the better ones, you could always highlight the things that really make the photo stand out for you. With the poorer ones, you could suggest a more photogenic subject along the same theme as the one the photographer chose.
Since we haven't tried it yet, I don't know what kind of response this sort of thing would get. But I know that there are a lot of people that like to write about their own opinions :) so I sort of doubt that it would be a problem getting the ball rolling. But if it was a problem that could be added later. |
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07/23/2002 06:23:41 PM · #82 |
I total agree Kimbly. I think it is important that the photos selected are random because the focus should not be on what or who's photo it is but on the critiqueing of that photo. In the best critiques that I have been involved in people could say whatever they wanted, it was an open discussion but it often required a moderator to refocus the topic from time to time and to ask for clarification on some responses. A good meaningful critique just doesn't work well if you apply too many rules to it or you are afraid of what might be said. A good moderator will help to keep a critique from going down hill and will encourage honest and thoughtful discussion. Critiques aren't for the timid but there are invaluable in this field.
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07/23/2002 06:28:08 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Kimbly:
Originally posted by Patella:
[i]My reason for the "picked photo" vs. "random photo" was simply to stimulate a good discussion. Ultimately I don't care how the photo is picked. I just fear that if it's completely random we end up looking at a photo that all we have to say is, "Shoot something else." We know there are photos like that -- the ones that are so bad you simply don't know what to say about them. Similarly, there have been some truly excellent shots that it's nearly (if not completely) impossible to say anything about other than, "Oh my gosh... this is [i]good."
Picked, or random, I still think a moderator to lead the discussion would be a good idea. (But then I guess I would since I brought it up in the first place.) This individual could get the ball rolling, or ask appropriate questions of critiquers as they see fit -- perhaps to draw out something that they left half said.
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Well, I think that it could be sort of instructive to force yourself to comment on something you think defies commenting. With the better ones, you could always highlight the things that really make the photo stand out for you. With the poorer ones, you could suggest a more photogenic subject along the same theme as the one the photographer chose.
Since we haven't tried it yet, I don't know what kind of response this sort of thing would get. But I know that there are a lot of people that like to write about their own opinions :) so I sort of doubt that it would be a problem getting the ball rolling. But if it was a problem that could be added later.[/i]
I agree completely... learning to comment on photos that you don't particularly like is very beneficial. I think that commenting has been the single most powerful tool I have acquired from this site. That alone has given me more firepower with my own camera... |
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