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 07/01/2005 11:22:52 AM · #1
In reference to this thread, I woud like some opinions on a similar issue. There are no right nor wrong opinions, BTW, only opinions.

I wonder if anything would have been noted or said had Gigi simply struck another match (albeit in a similar configuration) in front of her camera and won a contest with THAT photograph?

While stealing another's photograph is obviously wrong, is "inspired to reproduce" the same thing or an entirely different issue?
07/01/2005 11:32:33 AM · #2
I've wondered that myself. Whenever I'm inspired to use someone else's awesome idea, it always ends up being a little different -- having at least a little of my own expression in it. I feel a little less of a pride of accomplishment, if I have exactly copied someone else's idea to a "T".

07/01/2005 11:34:37 AM · #3
IMHO, no. Everything is inspired by something. And you will always add your own personal flair. No one can lay claim to lighting a match - we have all done it, i am sure many have taken photos of it, and most without ever seeing the kidnapped picture. The flame will never look the same twice.

Now if you were going to do something so specfic that your photo could be mistaken for the original - a copy cat image - i think it only fair to get permission from the original creator first.

Originally posted by RonBeam:

While stealing another's photograph is obviously wrong, is "inspired to reproduce" the same thing or an entirely different issue?


07/01/2005 11:43:26 AM · #4
I asked the same question in the other thread, but it got trampled by the lynch mob.

I remember THISphoto being recreated and winning a contest, but the photog got dumped on by a lot of people. I've done this photo, as well as the match job. Very rewarding to do, and you learn a great deal. Entering the prints in a competition ? I might.
 07/01/2005 11:44:02 AM · #5
An interesting article on the subject is here, with references to actual cases, including Skyy Vodka and its bottle and the photo on the cover from the bookMidnight in Garden of Good and Evil as "re-interpreted" by Warner Brothers when they made the film.
 07/01/2005 12:01:30 PM · #6
A quote from Robert Henri:

"Don't worry about your originality. You can't get rid of it even if you wanted to. It will stick with you and show up for better or worse in spite of all you or anyone else can do."
 07/01/2005 12:16:18 PM · #7
Originally posted by BlackDot:
I asked the same question in the other thread, but it got trampled by the lynch mob.

I remember THISphoto being recreated and winning a contest, but the photog got dumped on by a lot of people. I've done this photo, as well as the match job. Very rewarding to do, and you learn a great deal. Entering the prints in a competition ? I might.


I dont know why that photog would have got dumped on... the challenge was deja vu where the idea was to recreate a past winning photo??
07/01/2005 12:18:38 PM · #8
Originally posted by EddyG:
An interesting article on the subject is here


great article. thanks.
 07/01/2005 12:27:46 PM · #9
For learning porpose only, I have copied another photos to it likeness on many occations...however, I have never posted them or print them out as mine. I feel that those where just for learning yet, expired and ventured on with other things of my own too shoot. I have gotten a few ideas of my own with the help of other photos or art work. But you must admit there are so many techquies and tricks with you camera as well in the art world, that those same ideas will be used over again and again. Sometimes a new one will pop up.

I had a wonderful idea last Fall for photo op where I would use umbreallas all over a field. However, I have learned that has already been done by Christo and Jean Claude....bummer I thought...Sometimes before we shoot perhaps do some research...If I were to set up such umbrella shot..I could be faceing copyright issues...

But this shows that my "oringinal Idea" was my own before finding out that photo and idea was copyrighted. However, instead of umbrellas, I'll use another object and location/background different than the "The Umbrellas" by Christo and Jean Claude.

Here's a perfect exsample of adaptions without coyrighting and I feel it's a damn good photo op and thought prosess that goes behind it.


Message edited by author 2005-07-01 12:44:03.
 07/01/2005 12:32:05 PM · #10
"Copying" or being inspired by an existing image is only a problem if you (fradulently) try to pass off the work as that of the original artist, or if you depict a trademarked image (Mickey Mouse) -- unless you can establish a suficient context (Warhol's soup cans).
 07/01/2005 12:42:43 PM · #11
Andy Worhol, original artist. Id' be amazed to see what style of photos he would shoot today with all this digital toys we have, I wonder.

again, I have seen the enfluence he had on pop culture and his syle. His pop art with the many colors in boxes show up everywhere, Like U2's "POP" Cd Cover...However, I haven't yet seen his soups can redone. Just his style.

Message edited by author 2005-07-01 12:46:39.
 07/01/2005 01:56:00 PM · #12
Originally posted by muckpond:
Originally posted by EddyG:
An interesting article on the subject is here

great article. thanks.

ditto
 07/01/2005 02:52:16 PM · #13
It was a long time ago, but I attended a lecture, with slides, by Galen Rowell. He DID successfully nab someone for copyright that had recreated a photo of a tree at sunset. The copycat must have taken a copy of the photo with him and stood in the same place in the same lighting conditions and for all intents & purposes the photo was just about identical.
 07/02/2005 03:01:29 AM · #14
Originally posted by BlackDot:

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I asked the same question in the other thread, but it got trampled by the lynch mob.

I remember THISphoto being recreated and winning a contest, but the photog got dumped on by a lot of people. I've done this photo, as well as the match job. Very rewarding to do, and you learn a great deal. Entering the prints in a competition ? I might.

I dont know why that photog would have got dumped on... the challenge was deja vu where the idea was to recreate a past winning photo??

No,what I am inarticulately trying to say, was the photog that got berated, recreated this photo done by hughletheren,( as done by a number of other people), entered it into a contest and won.
While searching the site for that thread, I came upon This too.

Another example, is THIS great photo, which is basically a recreation of THISone. But this time it was acceptable.

I hope this clarifies it.
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