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03/17/2005 07:00:15 PM · #26 |
| FYI: Doing what they want me to do will not cost me any extra. The album is a set amount of pages - since it is a flush album I designed every page very creativily and differently. She wants me to include pictures from my scrap pile in her album. . . basically all I would have to do is make some pictures smaller to include the additional photos. It's just that I do not want photos in my scrap pile to be included in this album. |
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03/17/2005 07:30:57 PM · #27 |
This is a tough one. I have only shot three weddings and I don't want to do any more. They turned out well, however, and this is what I did. I feel that all the photos taken during a wedding are available for any use by the wedding parties BUT I create a folder of what I consider to be the best quality photos and I strongly recommend these. I emphasize these photos only but I also show all of the photos. These photos are for the bride and groom and their families so if they see a photo in the outtakes that they like they should be able to enjoy it always. In these cases if the quality really is questionable either have it printed a little smaller or try to get creative with it in some way. Just be up front about the quality issues and everyone should understand. You probably aren't going to have that many of the outtakes printed anyways so it should not hurt the overall impression of the quality of the imaages. Just be nice and give them what they want. charge them extra if things exceed the original expectations or written contract. Good luck and please let us know how things work out.
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03/17/2005 07:49:08 PM · #28 |
I've only shot one wedding so far and I didn't print any pictures (I wasn't paid, I did it as a favor). I just gave them the CD and told them to have fun. I did delete all the really bad pictures though. All together I ended up with 435 pictures for them.
I just had a friend of theirs call me today willing to PAY me to take photos of their wedding this fall, but I'm moving so can't do it. I really wanted to.
Good luck. I'd say stick with the contract and charge them an arm and a leg for the others. |
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03/17/2005 08:48:56 PM · #29 |
I have 3 couples this summer wanting me to shoot their weddings...
I don't have any contracts made up, I don't know how to make the albums you guys are talking about, How would I print 250 digital images? I know nothing about wedding photography. I may not even attempt it after reading this:)
I just like taking pictures; maybe I should stop showing my personal portfolio to people that̢۪s how this all started...
I think this thread just freaked me out...lol
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03/17/2005 11:22:10 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by connie:
I have 3 couples this summer wanting me to shoot their weddings...
I don't have any contracts made up, I don't know how to make the albums you guys are talking about, How would I print 250 digital images? I know nothing about wedding photography. I may not even attempt it after reading this:)
I just like taking pictures; maybe I should stop showing my personal portfolio to people that̢۪s how this all started...
I think this thread just freaked me out...lol |
Get a book on wedding photograhy so you know what pictures to take -there is 100 year tradation on what is expected. This book is what i am reading - very informative, and yes, parts of it freak me out!
//www.winkflash.com can print the pics. walmart can too, but the online places might be cheaper. there are pro labs that would be better choice but i am still investigating them.
you can go to a Ritz store and get a leatherette proof album that holds 200 4x6 prints with a place to label them (numebr them) for print ordering, or use //www.collages.net .
A wedding is a once (hopefully) in a lifetime event. A girl i work with is spending $19,000 on her ONE DAY wedding. Sorry, but for $19 GRAND i;d expect more than one day of festivities! Screw up those pics and see if she don't sue you for the whole 19 grand!
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03/18/2005 12:10:56 AM · #31 |
| Maybe you could offer her the extra 250 photos on a cd? The unfortunate side here is that if she wants to use any of those for printing and they are not your best photos then you could find yourself releasing substanded work! I've been fortunate not to come across someone like this so far. But, like you I only give them the photos that I am happy with and we all take multiple photos to choose the best ones don't we? This is a tricky one but yeah, maybe you shouldn't have caved into her and released the other 250 proofs. Sometimes it's best to make a stand! |
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03/18/2005 01:09:45 AM · #32 |
Checking out your website, I see that you said that it includes "1 Proof Album: includes 4x6s of all pictures taken". That seems to be your problem, Carrieann. I'd suggest you appease the current fire-breathing dragon who wants what she assumes you meant by ALL pictures taken, then immediately change your wording.
You might want to say that the proof album includes 4X6s of the entire wedding story, or something to that effect.
In my opinion, the client should never see the culls; they should never know they exist. If I were asked about shots that did not show up in the album, I would say that they didn't turn out and were deleted.
Unless you were hired as a documentary photographer, where all images are the property of the client, their expectation should be to see a reasonable number of photos, such as the 200-300 you'd suggested. If they are hiring you for your artistic eye and ability, you shouldn't have to show culls.
I was reading today that Monet destroyed over $100,000 of his paintings that he decided did not meet his standards. Wedding photographers are artists enough to separate the work they wish to be known for from their entire body of work. Especially with as many shots as you took at that wedding. (if this is your first wedding, I am not certain I completely believe that. Your skills must have been established before you have this freedom. Then, you must deliver all you contracted to do, and perhaps a little more.)
In the days of silver halide photography, a wise man once told me that the difference between an amateur photographer and a professional is: the size of his wastebasket.
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03/18/2005 02:02:19 AM · #33 |
Something that's got me here is the "reputation" factor... Is this person in a position to negatively affect your business? Wedding photographers typically aren't in the repeat-business business. Although referrals are nice, chances are appeasing this fire breather isn't going to do you any good - to your pocket, your workload, your stress level or to your reputation (by including bad photos).
Just a thought. Good luck with it. |
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03/18/2005 08:38:29 AM · #34 |
| Alternatively.....kill her.....and dump the body....then she won't need the extra culls! :) |
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03/18/2005 08:57:18 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by clarmore:
FYI: Doing what they want me to do will not cost me any extra. The album is a set amount of pages - since it is a flush album I designed every page very creativily and differently. She wants me to include pictures from my scrap pile in her album. . . basically all I would have to do is make some pictures smaller to include the additional photos. It's just that I do not want photos in my scrap pile to be included in this album. |
If the pictures are bad in your eyes, then doing what she wants may well cost you a lot in the future. The pictures that are out there with your name associated with them, represent you. If you don't feel these pictures are up to your standards, you shouldn't really make them available. But it sounds like you have, so you need to consider damage control. Also, it sounds like something for next time you want to stipulate in the contract, that only you decide which pictures are made available. |
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03/18/2005 08:59:24 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by animes2k:
Something that's got me here is the "reputation" factor... Is this person in a position to negatively affect your business? Wedding photographers typically aren't in the repeat-business business. Although referrals are nice, chances are appeasing this fire breather isn't going to do you any good - to your pocket, your workload, your stress level or to your reputation (by including bad photos).
Just a thought. Good luck with it. |
I think you've maybe misunderstood the market. Wedding photography is all about repeat business. The successful wedding shooters form a lifetime relationship with their clients and shoot the subsequent children, bridesmaids weddings, christenings, christmas pictures and all other family portraits. A good follow-up is essential to building a good wedding business because of all the repeat business one wedding generates (including all the friends referrals) |
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