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 02/01/2005 01:07:04 AM · #26
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Artyste:


This was one of my 8s.. It's amazing that such a wonderful shot will do so poorly just because it's probably perceived as being "grainy" or "out of focus"



You mean its supposed to look like that??? My apologies to the photographer, I did mark this photo down because in my ignorance I thought it was out of focus... oh well.. live and learn I guess.

Ray


nah.. what it comes down to is voting with your heart. If you really don't like something, then it doesn't matter what it looks like *technically*.. I just really felt, when I looked at this, that it was a concious decision, and a good one.. others obviously didn't.
 02/01/2005 01:07:17 AM · #27
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Artyste:


This was one of my 8s.. It's amazing that such a wonderful shot will do so poorly just because it's probably perceived as being "grainy" or "out of focus"



You mean its supposed to look like that??? My apologies to the photographer, I did mark this photo down because in my ignorance I thought it was out of focus... oh well.. live and learn I guess.

Ray


I didn't see this one in the voting. I barely hit a third of the entries during the voting period. However I would probably have only given it a generous 5 because I don't appreciate the effect and would not be apologizing for it now. Does it really matter if the photographer intended the shot to look the way it does if you don't appreciate it?
 02/01/2005 01:09:19 AM · #28
Originally posted by Artyste:
what it comes down to is voting with your heart. If you really don't like something, then it doesn't matter what it looks like *technically*..


Maybe you aren't so odd...
 02/01/2005 01:12:23 AM · #29
Here's another one that people obviously didn't get and should've done much better.


02/01/2005 01:13:39 AM · #30
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Artyste:


This was one of my 8s.. It's amazing that such a wonderful shot will do so poorly just because it's probably perceived as being "grainy" or "out of focus"



You mean its supposed to look like that??? My apologies to the photographer, I did mark this photo down because in my ignorance I thought it was out of focus... oh well.. live and learn I guess.

Ray


I didn't see this one in the voting. I barely hit a third of the entries during the voting period. However I would probably have only given it a generous 5 because I don't appreciate the effect and would not be apologizing for it now. Does it really matter if the photographer intended the shot to look the way it does if you don't appreciate it?


No of course not. My theory is that some people look at a photo like this and see the contribution of the blur to the "whole", and some immediately see the technical "fault" of the blur and can't get past that. It's not wrong either way.

However, as happened to me, some day your perception might just change, and you will no longer be able to see the blur as a fault. (That will be better than for me, if I changed the other way, what would I do with all my blurry photos ;) )

Anyway, it's just a theory.
 02/01/2005 01:19:15 AM · #31
WOW - 318th - that's easily the most underrated I've seen in that challenge.

Here's my comment on it: "Normally I'm not one of these impressionisitc shots. But this is simply joyous. Composition is absolutely spot on. One of the first images I've seen on this site that wasn't funny per-se but managed to put a smile on my face. Oh yeah, just in case you hadn't gathered - that accomplishment alone earns you a ten."

I think that sums up my surprise at that placing.
 02/01/2005 01:23:03 AM · #32
Since we are on this one

I really liked it and gave it an 8, I think it is great at portraying a feeling of joy. Normally I want photos to be sharp, but in this case I think the feeling are communicated better just as it is. There is enough blur to be clear that this is in fact the intent. I really think this should have scored higher but in the end what score it goes does not diminish its value as a photograph.
 02/01/2005 01:23:16 AM · #33
Originally posted by cbeller:
Here's another one that people obviously didn't get and should've done much better.



My bet would be that xion is not terribly depressed by where this has ended up. My bet would be that he is happy that 29 people (as of this writing) who dig this dig this. Who cares about the rest? Let them shoot their spider webs with dew drops (nothing personal about the 2nd place shot, it's just an awful cliche, that's all).

And of course it gives me immense personal satisfaction to beat the master by 0.045 points :P
 02/01/2005 01:25:38 AM · #34
Here's another one that surprised me immensely - I gave it a ten and it barely topped 5.

02/01/2005 01:25:43 AM · #35
ahaze,
True that this is not an artsy crowd, but they do know their photography. Technique, simple image, pleasant or heartwrenching, dynamic color or stark and elegant will always do well. Edgy, symbolic, dramatic, experimental, or god forbid soft focus or grainy will go over like a lead balloon (forgive the cliche; it is late and I am being language lazy.) But if you want to polish your technique, advice on equipment, or just plain fantastic conversation with some pretty amazingly generous people (there are a handful of masters who will give advice on every detail and it will be right on the money (cliche again...dang)then this is the place. Stay and enjoy the good things about the site. No place and no person is perfect. How boring would that be anyway? Simply put, as in all things, know your audience and accept yourself. Then choose to please one or the other. Sometimes we may get lucky and it will be both.
 02/01/2005 01:27:49 AM · #36
Originally posted by nshapiro:
No of course not. My theory is that some people look at a photo like this and see the contribution of the blur to the "whole", and some immediately see the technical "fault" of the blur and can't get past that. It's not wrong either way.

However, as happened to me, some day your perception might just change, and you will no longer be able to see the blur as a fault. (That will be better than for me, if I changed the other way, what would I do with all my blurry photos ;) )

Anyway, it's just a theory.


To imply that my perception of the shot is wrong is a little insulting. I look at the shot in question and I see a photo that is probably average or a little better that was photoshopped for an effect that I personally don't like. (Please feel free to show me the original and prove me wrong!) I don't see the blur as a fault, I see it as a gimic. I personally don't like gimics. To say that my personal take on the shot is not the right way to view the shot is to take away the fact that I am a person with my own likes and dislikes!
 02/01/2005 01:33:46 AM · #37
I knew my Best of 2004 would bomb, but I love it and entered it anyway. The low score was expected for all the reasons I just mentioned.



It got six tens and six ones, so there you go. Everyone has his or her own tastes, thank goodness.

If you like what you do, then just listen with an open mind and you will find a balance. People like Skiprow, Scalvert, Graphicfunk, Kylie, and many others will help you get where YOU want to be. They are fantasic mentors. You know the difference, and when truth speaks sometimes it whispers. I have found the loudest to be the farthest from the truth. Ignore those ignorant comments and grasp the brilliant and insightful ones. Above all enjoy, celebrate the journey, and embrace some amazing new friends. That is the true gift of this precious place!

Message edited by author 2005-02-01 01:38:38.
 02/01/2005 01:39:16 AM · #38
Originally posted by scottwilson:
Since we are on this one

I really liked it and gave it an 8, I think it is great at portraying a feeling of joy. Normally I want photos to be sharp, but in this case I think the feeling are communicated better just as it is. There is enough blur to be clear that this is in fact the intent. I really think this should have scored higher but in the end what score it goes does not diminish its value as a photograph.


I gave this image a 10 myself. I felt it was a purely creative effort that transcended some of the self-imposed boundaries this site seem to inspire in many photographers. My comment:

"I totally love this, the slight blurriness of it, the slightly akimbo composition, the luscious feeling of unconstrained motion within the tight constraints of the circle and the wall."

Ditto for Xion's "stalker":

My comment on that one is quite inadequate: "I can't begin to describe how well this works for me, or why. Fine image."

I didn't expect either of them to finish particularly well, and I wasn't disappointed in that expectation. I imagine both photographers take satisfaction from the comments of those that DID "get" the pictures.

Robt.

Message edited by author 2005-02-01 01:40:38.
 02/01/2005 01:43:49 AM · #39
Also underrated:
02/01/2005 01:45:07 AM · #40
not too complain or anything (since i didn't submitt the shot i thought was my true best [i couldn't take the harch voting this site brings]) but WHY can't the ppl. who comment discide the challenge...lol....avg. of all who commented on my shot was 7.143.

but i had 119 5s so i was shot down. ***game over***

ah well its not so bad i gess if i had any TRUE marriot i would've submitted the shot that was my true best and taken the crit. but ppl. on this site just love stock photo and i'm not a stock photo photog.

if i was Ansle Adams would not be some who's work would impress me and, Agie's city scapes would bore me, he having never shot in color or b&w, and i would not look for the decisive moment but for any monent in which i could take my camera out and shoot.

i gess i feel that the site has a scued prospective on most of the art and driffs towards voting on the "cooler" shots....the ppl. here tend not to look deper into the image and ? what they are seeing instead they look at it and pass it off as a simple shot to easy to win or a shot that has been well done but the tech. side of it is not there and so it is instantly bad....

if only ppl. here would not take a shot at face value (the only value of a stock image) but look upon them in a deeper leavel try to find the mind that took the photo.

of everything in this world there are many ways to do something why can't the viewer wonder "why that way" instead of passing it off as that isn't a good angle or the way he did that was poor.

i don't understand......

and yet i do......

_brando_

remember shakespear was a formula writter but ppl. love his work all of it has the same theem to it all of it the same motive of good and of bad all of it a point to be made but made in redundicy. having the same thing expressed in every play.

he catered to the aduience DON'T CATER TO YOURS IF U HAVE A STYLE THEN KEEP IT YOURS RATHER THAN PLEASING THE CROWED

i arive lastly at this conclution that I WIMPED OUT SUBMITTING THE SHOT I THOUGHT OTHERS WOULD LIKE and not the 1 i liked.

sorry to the beloved crafters of the art Agie and Ansel i messed up and will never forget it......

"I have noted it well"(Lear: King Lear,I,iv.)

Message edited by author 2005-02-01 01:53:17.
 02/01/2005 01:45:19 AM · #41
Also, ALSO underrated:


Hehehe.. Sorry, I had to.

Actually, 151 out of 531 is a damn good score.
 02/01/2005 01:48:44 AM · #42
# 5

# 143

# 324

My tens.
 02/01/2005 01:51:06 AM · #43
Originally posted by Artyste:
Also, ALSO underrated:


Hehehe.. Sorry, I had to.

Actually, 151 out of 531 is a damn good score.


UGGGHHHH I got beat down by a baby shot?
 02/01/2005 01:51:42 AM · #44
Now if someone wants to really get a pulse on things, go to your favorite photographers list, and go one by one, right click, open in a new window and see what he/she did in their best of 04 challenge. (easier to close than always going back).
I am amazed at how many of my favorite members here did NOT submit to this challenge and/or did not do well in comparison to their submissions before. The voters do not see as we do evidently, and can understand why so many did not enter this one.
Sad...

Message edited by author 2005-02-01 01:56:34.
 02/01/2005 01:53:22 AM · #45
OK Here's my final say on this topic tonight. If you think a shot should have been higher that's fine. That's your opinion. Others might not like the shot and that's their opinion. If you don't want your opinion looked down upon, don't look down upon those of others!
 02/01/2005 01:53:44 AM · #46
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Also, ALSO underrated:


Hehehe.. Sorry, I had to.

Actually, 151 out of 531 is a damn good score.


UGGGHHHH I got beat down by a baby shot?


Hey! But it's a GOOD baby shot.
 02/01/2005 01:54:12 AM · #47
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
No of course not. My theory is that some people look at a photo like this and see the contribution of the blur to the "whole", and some immediately see the technical "fault" of the blur and can't get past that. It's not wrong either way.

However, as happened to me, some day your perception might just change, and you will no longer be able to see the blur as a fault. (That will be better than for me, if I changed the other way, what would I do with all my blurry photos ;) )

Anyway, it's just a theory.


To imply that my perception of the shot is wrong is a little insulting. I look at the shot in question and I see a photo that is probably average or a little better that was photoshopped for an effect that I personally don't like. (Please feel free to show me the original and prove me wrong!) I don't see the blur as a fault, I see it as a gimic. I personally don't like gimics. To say that my personal take on the shot is not the right way to view the shot is to take away the fact that I am a person with my own likes and dislikes!


Ron, sorry you took it that way. What I said again was: "It's not wrong either way."

The shot in question is not mine, so I can't show you the original. Unless you are talking about one of my blurred photos, then I'd be happy to.

Edit: And while I used your post as the launching point for my theory, it was not directed at you, but to all the people who see the blur differently (on each side of the fence).

Message edited by author 2005-02-01 01:59:39.
 02/01/2005 01:57:13 AM · #48
ahaze, I just visited your profile page. You have a style all your own. Your signature is on each of your pictures. You absolutely have got what it takes. You'll hit blue one day. Just stay true to yourself and keep the faith. There is a joy and a vibrancy (is that a word?) in your work. That is worth more than any little blue icon any day. (Don't jump all over me everyone; there is merit in the blues, too.)
Please stay with us. We need people like you with the courage to question and the strength to stay true to yourself.
02/01/2005 02:00:14 AM · #49
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Also, ALSO underrated:


Hehehe.. Sorry, I had to.

Actually, 151 out of 531 is a damn good score.


UGGGHHHH I got beat down by a baby shot?


Yeah, but what a baby shot. Amazingly underrated, at least by the "normal" standards of this site, I'd say. How can you fault this image? What part could be improved? (The question's not directed at you, TooCool, I know you were just joking around.) I think the picture, for what it is, is pretty much perfect. Another of my 10's. I tried to judge based on the goals of the image itself, more than on what I personally liked.

I also gave this one a 10, and it totally bombed with the voters:

But in my opinion that's an absolutely stunning image of a place/time/event, and deserves better than it got.

Comment: "The more Iook at this, the more Ilike it. The single face just to the right of center, looking at the camera, makes the picture. Without it, it's basically a blah show. But it's there, and everything in the picture revolves around this indvidual. Beautifully done. I suspect you weren't sure about submitting this one, and I'm glad you did."

Robt.
 02/01/2005 06:21:31 AM · #50
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Artyste:


This was one of my 8s.. It's amazing that such a wonderful shot will do so poorly just because it's probably perceived as being "grainy" or "out of focus"

You mean its supposed to look like that???...

I know genius when I see it. I gave this one a 10!
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