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11/09/2004 09:00:35 AM · #101 |
I see we have a poll on the subject now....
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11/09/2004 09:04:19 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Okay, if you want a response from the whole SC you might have to wait some time, more than a day at least, as we are all real people (gasp!) and do have other commitments. I will however try to clearly give reasons why I voted that the shot was legal. Bear in mind I'm not the best person at putting things into words so don't go nit-picking at every tiny thing I say.
1) We have allowed the same technique before. You keep going on about consistency. How inconsistent would it be to DQ this shot when the motivational poster 3rd place used the same technique.
2) At first I wondered whether it was adding major elements to the photo, but then I dismissed that. Why? Here is the rule: "blah balh blah however using tools to duplicate, create, or move major elements of your photograph is not." The border, even if it could be considered a major element of the presentation, is NOT a major element of the photograph.
3) There are no rules in Advanced Editing mentioning what can and can't be done with borders. The fact that they can't include artwork etc comes from this rule: You may not post-process your entry from or to include elements of multiple images, multiple exposures, clip art, computer-rendered images, or elements from other photographs (even those taken during the challenge week), and other similar items. (Notice the use of the word 'entry' here, rather than 'photograph', which includes the border whereas photograph doesn't.)
4) I believe the use of a triptych does not break the spirit of the rules, and links in with traditional photography. This can only ever be personal opinion.
5) Why didn't we let the voters decide? We were asked by the photographer before the challenge whether the technique was legal. Saying "I dunno, wait and see!" isn't what we're here for. |
Guess that's the only official answer were gonna get. I guess I give up. The Site Council has spoken (mostly through it's silence.) It's a simple border, why couldn't I figure that out...
All my arguements have been put on the table as has the SC's single arguement. I give up...
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11/09/2004 09:12:51 AM · #103 |
The wording in the poll would exclude a lot of border styles that we already consider acceptable.
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11/09/2004 09:15:32 AM · #104 |
And now a poll - I feel honored!
BTW, isn't Borders a book store?
(as he quietly scampers away into the troublemakers's corner...)
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11/09/2004 09:16:28 AM · #105 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
The wording in the poll would exclude a lot of border styles that we already consider acceptable. |
Can you give examples ? |
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11/09/2004 09:18:13 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I think the window frame challenge issue is really quite different to this one.
In the case of the window DQs, the entire challenge theme was around the idea of including a window frame in the shot. When that is created digitally - using 'borders' or not, a significant element of the photograph, that was asked for in the challenge, was being created after the fact.
This to me, has nothing whatsoever to do with borders or other digital editing rules at that point. When you create the challenge theme tie-in digitally, I don't much care which rules you follow, you are beyond the spirit and intent of the rules and challenges. Those pictures would not meet the challenge, without the elements that were added later. They should have been DQed.
I think arguing pros and cons about the method used to create the borders in those cases, just missed the point entirely.
This triptych is a different case, imho, and doesn't deserve to even be considered or discussed in similar terms.
Yes, talk about the borders and the means used to create them or if they should be allowed or not, but I'd suggest not using the window challenge as a precidence. |
Same goes for the comparisons to poster shot. |
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11/09/2004 09:20:06 AM · #107 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
The wording in the poll would exclude a lot of border styles that we already consider acceptable. |
Can you give examples ? |
Those that have a 'wire' border slightly inset into the shot? (So there's a bit more image outside of a thin border.)
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11/09/2004 09:21:20 AM · #108 |
I've started this thread specifically to discuss the "border poll".
(If anybody wants to copy their posts from this thread to the other thread, I will hide them over here so we don't end up discussing the same thing in two places.)
Message edited by author 2004-11-09 09:24:16. |
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11/09/2004 09:56:09 AM · #109 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Guess that's the only official answer were gonna get. I guess I give up. The Site Council has spoken (mostly through it's silence.) It's a simple border, why couldn't I figure that out...
All my arguements have been put on the table as has the SC's single arguement. I give up... |
Did you not read anything I said? I said wait patiently for official word from the SC as with 16 or 17 members we can't all be around to discuss this when it's convenient to you. Also, I didn't only give a single arguement, read my post again. Here is a list of "all" your arguments...
1) It's a major element of the photo cos the commenters mention it.
2) It's a major element of the photo cos I think it is.
3) The window shot was DQd and it's exactly the same thing.
Did I miss any? I count 3. Two are practically the same and the third is irrelivent and incorrect.
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