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The Boss
The Boss
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Photograph Information Photographer's Comments
Challenge: Power (Basic Editing)
Camera: Canon EOS-20D
Lens: Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon
Location: Alley
Date: Sep 4, 2007
Aperture: 5.6
ISO: 1600
Shutter: 1/15th
Galleries: Emotive, Persuasive
Date Uploaded: Sep 4, 2007

30mm, f 5.6, 1/15thsec, iso 1600

Statistics
Place: 29 out of 151
Avg (all users): 6.0640
Avg (commenters): 7.3333
Avg (participants): 5.8000
Avg (non-participants): 6.1392
Views since voting: 1668
Views during voting: 333
Votes: 203
Comments: 29
Favorites: 2 (view)


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09/13/2007 11:33:48 PM
Thats so amusing. Considering most of u were just singing high praises, to the ribbon winning death from above bringing RAPTOR. Yeh! way to go all.

How's that for violence?

Message edited by author 2007-09-13 23:34:36.
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09/13/2007 06:13:49 PM
That doesn't necessarily look like a woman...it could go either way.
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09/13/2007 05:35:24 PM
Originally posted by HighNooner:

I gave it a 4, but looking back at it now; maybe a 3 or a 2 would have been more appropriate.

When you make a entry you promote an idea with it. Some people here, I included, do not like violence and we vote accordingly.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' digifotojo you have my support


What is the idea he was promoting? Violence? If that's so then every newspaper, every tv news station that has ever shown a photo of say war torn Iraq is promoting violence and the war. I guess we should all censor it and live in ignorant bliss. Context dictates intent and I don't think you are factoring in the context in which this shot was entered at all.

Message edited by author 2007-09-13 17:37:15.
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09/13/2007 10:30:45 AM
Wow really cruel that they stole her shoes before killing her. That's just over the top!
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09/13/2007 09:11:07 AM
OK, I don't agree with calling out in the forums about negative comments, but since you did want feedback on the image and it doesn't really look like you got a lot of technical feedback, here's my spin.

The concept is a good one, but the execution is somewhat lacking. The DOF is spot on and the lighting is pretty good but I feel like it's cropped a bit too tight on the right and a little heavy on the left. I might suggest cropping through the boss' right shoulder to bring him a little more into the foreground and add a little more emphasis to his "presence". Also, the background directly behind the mob boss creates a distraction... particularly the red coloration on the wall. The lens flare of the cigarette lighter is also somewhat distracting, but under the basic ruleset, you couldn't do much about it except a reshoot.

The model who is getting "offed" doesn't look like she is really struggling that much. I would imagine that if she were being sent to "sleep with the fishes", the amount of force being applied by the killer would be much greater and the killee would be in a much less relaxed position. I would suggest up on her knees, back arched back with both hands struggling against the killer. I know that if I was being choked, I wouldn't take the time to lean forward effectively helping the person killing me and resting on the pavement. I would be struggling with all my might to get away. A lot can be determined by body language in a shot like this and hers doesn't really say "help me, someone is choking the life out of me!"

The lighting on the mob boss is perfect and you did an excellent job of mixing natural lighting from the lighter and the artificial "street light" on your models on the background. A few minor tweaks would make this a much more powerful image. It's also a very clever spin on the challenge and creative regardless of the negative comments. I would assume that anyone who gave you a low score because you depicted "violence" would also need to take the moral high ground when it comes to Hollywood since 90% of the movies that are released as well as many of the current television programs have a large amount of violence in some form or fashion.
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09/13/2007 08:19:50 AM
I gave it a 4, but looking back at it now; maybe a 3 or a 2 would have been more appropriate.

When you make a entry you promote an idea with it. Some people here, I included, do not like violence and we vote accordingly.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' digifotojo you have my support
09/13/2007 07:59:06 AM
I can understand the point being made by ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' digifotojo.

Personally, I didn't care much for this image myself and am surprised at the placing. Well, considering the liberal mindset of many here at DPC I shouldn't be surprised.

As a photo it's "ok" technically. Subject matter is in poor taste IMO. The depiction of violence is way too prevalent in society today. TV, Movies, Video Games, etc... Why do we need it here? Because it's popular? Because it's cool (or whatever the correct slang is now)?

When you put a photo into a contest you are trying to "sell" it to the viewers/voters. Something to consider if you are going to be concerned about low votes and negative comments.
09/13/2007 07:42:22 AM
Judged in the context in which your photo was entered, the manner in which you shot it, not to mention the use of the Capone like characters shouldn't make this disturbing. If anything it's tame if not trite for being so over the top cliche in depicting these characters and that's how they come off to me as characters.

Now you did pretty well for this subject but for you to have matched say Slippy's "F-22 Raptor" shot, which depicted raw power, this would have had to be far more controversal to truly depict raw power. The squeamish voters should be thanking you that you didn't go that route.
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09/13/2007 07:39:42 AM
Well I reckon every commenter has the right to their personal opinion whether or not it coincides with the photographer's. That's the name of the game around here. Edit to add: Because it is so obviously staged - and well done too - I do not find this photo disturbing.

Message edited by author 2007-09-13 07:55:02.
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09/13/2007 03:37:27 AM
Don't worry,you have a very creative photo here that i would love if it was mine.If you had open the lighter lees time that would be perfect.
This was definitely underrated
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09/13/2007 02:00:39 AM
It's ironic that the photo in the next place (31st) is digifotojo's.

Violence is obscene. I didn't vote on this challenge, but this entry fits the Challenge to a T (and obviously it's staged...)
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09/13/2007 01:40:18 AM
I'd like to add my thoughts on this photo and digifotojo's comment.

I think that your comment on the photo is both ignorant and sexist. The photo challenge was for "power", and this photo portrays that perfectly. Your personal opinion of the nature of the photo should never affect your judgment of the creativity of the photographer. The violence in the backround, is not supposed to condone what's going on there. From the way you wrote your post, Joanna, implies to me that you would have no problem if there was a man being killed in the background. How is this attitude any better than having a woman being killed? Either one is a terrible act, but saying that one is worse than the other is terribly sexist. If you can't get past the fact that it was a woman in this photo being tortured, and not a PERSON, I feel truly sorry for your lack of compassion for the life of another human being. This is a fictional situation. It does portray something that could happen. Even if this were a REAL situation you cannot judge it by a photo. You don't know if she's a murderer, a thief, a rat, or if she's some innocent bystander who just saw something at the wrong time. Your comment was offensive, prejudice, naive and uncalled for.

I won't even address how you voted, as I believe Sam covered that extrodinarily well. Thank you Sam for your input. I hope you consider his advice for the future.
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09/12/2007 03:45:38 AM
Originally posted by digifotojo:

I just want to say that I feel this is a very negative image. Any disrespectful portrayal of women is in extremely poor taste. 3

I am a bit concerned about this comment and I'll try and explain why. This site is about photography. When rating a picture, one should focus on technical aspects like lighting, composition, focus, etc. but also take aspects like creativity, beauty, etc. into account. However, I don't think your personal opinion about the subject portrayed should influence your vote - at least certainly not in a negative way (if you give all images depicting kids an extra point because you love kids, I still feel it misses the point of the exercise, but it doesn't really hurt anyone, so go ahead).

If you don't like playing chess, this doesn't make every picture showing a chess board a bad picture. And if you don't like violence, this doesn't make every picture depicting violence a bad picture. A picture showing violence can still be beautiful. This doesn't mean that it endorses violence. On the contrary: A good picture capturing the suffering caused by violence, for example, can be a strong voice against it and move the viewer to do something about it. Check the World Press Photos at //www.worldpressphoto.org, for example. The winners there regularly show shocking scenes, but I feel such pictures are important (and they can be beautiful, as pictures).

And about this particular photo: I think the photographer did an excellent job meeting the challenge "Your image should convey the feeling of power to the viewer.". He alludes to the stereotype of the all-powerful Mafia boss who doesn't get his own hands dirty (and who exists predominantly in movies). And it's a beautiful picture. I like the composition, the lighting, the pose and the fact that it tells a story.

Message edited by author 2007-09-12 03:47:00.
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09/12/2007 03:26:51 AM
I'm a little suprised this didn't win it or get top 10 actually! I gave this a 10! :)
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 Comments Made During the Challenge
09/11/2007 01:54:25 PM
different interpretation...i like it
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09/10/2007 05:04:20 PM
this is one of my fav pics
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09/09/2007 02:26:57 PM
good shot for the challenge, creative idea
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09/09/2007 03:57:41 AM
Finally! I was so hoping to see something like this. Not "mob boss and a murder in the background" specifically, but something that displayed the "power" that can be found within a human to subdue another human, and displayed it with intelligence and grace.
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09/08/2007 02:52:17 PM
great idea but work on that lighting
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09/07/2007 11:57:51 PM
I just want to say that I feel this is a very negative image. Any disrespectful portrayal of women is in extremely poor taste. 3
09/05/2007 11:31:38 PM
Sweet shot
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09/05/2007 07:58:29 PM
A rather nasty form of power, but clever and nicely done with the cigar touch to add effect & light!
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09/05/2007 07:07:34 PM
this is cool.
btw thumbnail doesnt do justice to this shot.
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09/05/2007 05:53:21 PM
Nice lighting on the cigar man and funny, too! Makes me think of a movie...
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09/05/2007 01:44:41 PM
I like the lighting on the face. the use of the kids doens't quite work for me though. Older thugs would've been better!
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09/05/2007 10:12:50 AM
Very well done! Love this one.
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09/05/2007 10:03:12 AM
Mafia? hehe... a good one.
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09/05/2007 09:29:13 AM
Now this is a creative idea that perfectly fits the challenge! Congratulations! I want to see this one get a ribbon.
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09/05/2007 01:30:00 AM
Nice, very creative...a good storytelling image.
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