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02/08/2007 01:29:59 PM · #1 |
An interesting read and slide show. [Warning, contains adult material]
Message edited by author 2007-02-08 13:38:48. |
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02/08/2007 01:35:35 PM · #2 |
You might want to mention the naked 10 year old girl in that set. Some people's work can be funny about that.
My favourite quote on this topic comes from 'On being a photographer'. Paraphrasing it is something like
'Beginning photographers imitate, experts steal'
It leads in to a section suggesting that you should steal, copy and plagiarize as much as possible, because it is almost impossible to not introduce your own ideas into the mix.
Btw, that 'neon tigers' opening bridge shot, I've seen 3 other versions of that exact same shot this year alone - I don't think it is very original or unique.
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02/08/2007 01:37:27 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
You might want to mention the naked 10 year old girl in that set. Some people's work can be funny about that.
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Yikes, I hadn't even though about that. If SC could please modify the thread title with a warning, it would be much appreciated.
I was honestly a little shocked by that photo, but then forgot it was in there. |
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02/08/2007 01:38:49 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
You might want to mention the naked 10 year old girl in that set. Some people's work can be funny about that.
My favourite quote on this topic comes from 'On being a photographer'. Paraphrasing it is something like
'Beginning photographers imitate, experts steal'
It leads in to a section suggesting that you should steal, copy and plagiarize as much as possible, because it is almost impossible to not introduce your own ideas into the mix.
Btw, that 'neon tigers' opening bridge shot, I've seen 3 other versions of that exact same shot this year alone - I don't think it is very original or unique. |
thanks for the warning Gordon. I am at work so can't look at it but in theory i don't think you can Plagiarize photos because mith lighting it will almost always be different. as far as takign ideas i think it can be a good thing. |
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02/08/2007 02:01:11 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by Gordon:
You might want to mention the naked 10 year old girl in that set. Some people's work can be funny about that. ... |
thanks for the warning Gordon. I am at work so can't look at it but in theory i don't think you can Plagiarize photos because mith lighting it will almost always be different. as far as takign ideas i think it can be a good thing. |
What hasn't been mentioned is the slideshow gives the option to skip from 5 to 7, with an appropriate warning for the nude 10 yro Ms. Shields. The rest of the images are fairly non-discript.
David
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02/08/2007 02:05:42 PM · #6 |
It's interesting the article didn't mention the appeal of images like the opening shot of the spiral highway and bridge depend almost exclusively on the talent and skill of the designers.
David
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02/08/2007 02:09:31 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by David.C:
What hasn't been mentioned is the slideshow gives the option to skip from 5 to 7, with an appropriate warning for the nude 10 yro Ms. Shields. The rest of the images are fairly non-discript.
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Thanks for mentioning that, David. At the time I went through it, the warning didn't bother me much, but if it had said that it was a nude of a 10-year old girl, I might have thought twice about it. But maybe that's a conversation for another thread.
Just out of curiosity, though, why wouldn't that be considered child-pornography or would it? Does that come down to the whole pornography vs art debate? When children are involved, is there still a debate to be had? I'm not stating a position here, just curious what others think. Again, maybe this belongs in another thread. |
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02/08/2007 02:14:48 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by eqsite:
Just out of curiosity, though, why wouldn't that be considered child-pornography or would it? Does that come down to the whole pornography vs art debate? When children are involved, is there still a debate to be had? I'm not stating a position here, just curious what others think. Again, maybe this belongs in another thread. |
I didn't actually see a warning on the way through, though I'm not particularly bothered by it.
Sally Mann would be another person to look at the controversy around if you want to discuss the nude child photo issue.
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02/08/2007 02:37:03 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by David.C:
It's interesting the article didn't mention the appeal of images like the opening shot of the spiral highway and bridge depend almost exclusively on the talent and skill of the designers.
David |
Dang! You've discovered the secret of 4 of 5 my highest scores. Maybe all 5, if you consider the Alps "designed."
Seriously, I agree with you that architecture shots owe a lot to the designer, as well as the lighting designer. But there's also a whole lot the photographer brings to it, like looking for the right angle and time of day, choosing the settings, waiting for various moving elements like traffic or people to line up, and processing it after shooting.
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02/08/2007 02:59:45 PM · #10 |
photography is an artform of burrowing if you ask me. AS an art school student I have heard it come to be called "inspiration". I don't think it's a bad thing at all, art inspires artist, thus art inspires art.
as far as your article, I'm not sure if they prove many points. I didn't get to really digest the reading being at school and in the print lab right now but I think they may be lacking in something.
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02/08/2007 03:06:49 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by David.C:
It's interesting the article didn't mention the appeal of images like the opening shot of the spiral highway and bridge depend almost exclusively on the talent and skill of the designers.
David |
Dang! You've discovered the secret of 4 of 5 my highest scores. Maybe all 5, if you consider the Alps "designed."
Seriously, I agree with you that architecture shots owe a lot to the designer, as well as the lighting designer. But there's also a whole lot the photographer brings to it, like looking for the right angle and time of day, choosing the settings, waiting for various moving elements like traffic or people to line up, and processing it after shooting. |
Sure, but don't you think the architect took into consideration how the freeway would look from a given vantage point under different usage levels and at different times? Which is, of course, the arguement behind copyrighting architectual works. Where's the line drawn? Is the photographer creating something new, or is he just documenting the vision of another?
Personally, I think it has a lot in common with candid photography. The photographer chooses when, but the architect chooses what -- the same as when a photographer chooses to photograph a lovely young lady on the street in the 'look' she has likely dedicated a great deal of time creating.
David
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02/08/2007 03:34:06 PM · #12 |
One of my duties in law enforcement is to work with the Cops-4-Kids programme and a few years ago we were building a pamphlet and logo for our department's work in that area.
I loved Norman Rockwell's painting "The Runaway" and was negotiating to use that image on our brochure. Though they were very gracious people, as a not-for-profit programme we did not have the money to purchase it's use.
I took my camera, my sergeant and a little boy to a diner that was quite like the one in Rockwell's painting. I came away with a great image among the many I shot and we've never had a complaint from anyone about the imitation.
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02/08/2007 03:36:22 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by David.C:
Sure, but don't you think the architect took into consideration how the freeway would look from a given vantage point under different usage levels and at different times? Is the photographer creating something new, or is he just documenting the vision of another?
David |
Right. That's why I said "Seriously, I agree with you that architecture shots owe a lot to the designer, as well as the lighting designer."
But there's also a whole lot the photographer brings to it.
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