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 09/22/2008 10:28:53 PM · #26
So, is dodging and burning (well, mainly burning) a vignette illegal? On a separate layer set to, say, soft light blend?
 09/22/2008 10:30:56 PM · #27
Originally posted by david_c:
So, is dodging and burning (well, mainly burning) a vignette illegal? On a separate layer set to, say, soft light blend?


Is this a trick question? In basic, dodging and burn, layers, and blending modes are all illegal.
 09/22/2008 11:32:36 PM · #28
Originally posted by LadyTara:
I would have thought just enhancing a vignette (not adding one) would be Ok if it was already present in the photo, so long as no spot editing was used.

By the way, at the risk of sounding stupid, what exactly is a vignette?


A vignette is the shadowing at the edges of an image due to shadowing of something close to the front of the lens.
09/22/2008 11:49:10 PM · #29
Originally posted by gilty_one:
Originally posted by LadyTara:
I would have thought just enhancing a vignette (not adding one) would be Ok if it was already present in the photo, so long as no spot editing was used.

By the way, at the risk of sounding stupid, what exactly is a vignette?


A vignette is the shadowing at the edges of an image due to shadowing of something close to the front of the lens.


Interestingly enough, we don't use the term properly here in DPC:

A photograph in which a central image dissolves into the area around it, creating a soft frame around the picture. Vignettes usually fade into a field of white. ...

I don't know of a word that specifically denotes "vignettes" that get darker, which is what we are mostly talking about. Classically, in photography, a vignette is as described above. The term also has many uses in other than the visual arts, in writing for example, and in ornamental design. Google "define: vignette" if you are interested.

For us in DPC, darkening of the corners of an image is called "vignetting" and it cannot legally be done in PP under basic editing rules.

R.
 09/23/2008 06:44:48 AM · #30
Originally posted by Prash:

You already have a ribbon: an invisible one. You thought about the award for extraordinary outreach. You are a winner already, Alex:-)


Technically though - it doesn't count towards your ribbon tally.. its one of those hundreds of pretend ones people on here come up with to make other people feel better about themselves. Like my "podcasted!" one for example.

just telling it like it is.
 09/23/2008 07:00:25 AM · #31
Thinking back though, didnt someone DQ themselves from a ribbon winning shot becasue they used one of the presets in Lightroom and it added a vignette.. cant think who is was - the shot was of a tower or something like that. nice photo IIRC.
 09/23/2008 07:07:31 AM · #32
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Is this a trick question? In basic, dodging and burn, layers, and blending modes are all illegal.

In basic, layers in normal blend and dodging & burning are legal. What I'd like to know is can we add a vignette in Advanced? My current "letters" entry would have looked better with one...but that edit went to the recycle bin on the idea that we may not "use ANY editing technique to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn’t already exist in your original capture(s)."
 09/23/2008 07:29:35 AM · #33
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Is this a trick question? In basic, dodging and burn, layers, and blending modes are all illegal.

In basic, layers in normal blend and dodging & burning are legal.

Dodge and burn in basic is NOT legal.
 09/23/2008 10:24:59 AM · #34
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Is this a trick question? In basic, dodging and burn, layers, and blending modes are all illegal.

In basic, layers in normal blend and dodging & burning are legal. What I'd like to know is can we add a vignette in Advanced? My current "letters" entry would have looked better with one...but that edit went to the recycle bin on the idea that we may not "use ANY editing technique to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn’t already exist in your original capture(s)."


My mistake, you can use *adjustment* layers, but that's not the same as layers in normal mode.
 09/23/2008 12:03:51 PM · #35
Originally posted by jettyimages:
Well I'm glad you're all confused - so am I. nshapiro I'm not sure why you believe you can add a vignette to anything. I certainly can't, it depends entirely on the lens that I'm using, and whether there is any natural vignette. Try going to a vignette free image, or crop and image first, then import it into Lightroom, and you will find its not possible to add one. Unless of course you have Lightroom 2, which is a different ball game. I don't have that one yet - spending too much time on this site to get my act together there!
Lady Tara, I COMPLETELY agree with you. Spot editing is one thing, I haven't and wouldn't do that in a basic edit. But if LIghtroom 1 is ONLY capable of doing global changes, and if in the process you are allowed to correct your lens in terms of calibration or chromatic aberration, why can't you slightly increase the vignette that already exists?
I don't mind being DQ'd if I've deliberately done something, but seeing this is only my 3rd entry, I'm feeling pretty disappointed at getting into trouble so soon. I feel like a naughty school girl!


Perhaps what your experiencing is due to cropping. LR1 only adds a vignette to the original "framing"--so if you crop it, you may not see the vignetting it's adding, but on a shot that's not cropped at all, it will.

LR2 has an option to add vignetting "after" the crop.

There's no stigma to getting DQ'd via an honest mistake. It happens to a lot of people. Even SC members :)

09/23/2008 12:11:25 PM · #36
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Is this a trick question? In basic, dodging and burn, layers, and blending modes are all illegal.

In basic, layers in normal blend and dodging & burning are legal.

Dodge and burn in basic is NOT legal.


And here we have the reason why I ask SCers to ring in on these questions and pretty much ignore what I read from other members. In this case, Tim happens to be right: dodge and burn on the image itself is illegal in basic editing.

But SC: I posted yesterday to specifically put forward three methods for creating a vignette. Could one you please confirm I had it straight?

- vignette tool: it selectively affects the corners, so not allowed in basic. Even if the corners were already darker, you're not affecting other dark areas in the image.
- curves, levels: affect all pixels of same brightness in the same way, so legal in basic. You're not choosing a specific area of the image to darken, you're darkening everything that's already dark, in the corners or not.
- underexposing when converting from RAW: you're darkening everything, so legal in basic.

Thanks.
 09/23/2008 12:26:55 PM · #37
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Is this a trick question? In basic, dodging and burn, layers, and blending modes are all illegal.

In basic, layers in normal blend and dodging & burning are legal.

Dodge and burn in basic is NOT legal.


And here we have the reason why I ask SCers to ring in on these questions and pretty much ignore what I read from other members. In this case, Tim happens to be right: dodge and burn on the image itself is illegal in basic editing.

But SC: I posted yesterday to specifically put forward three methods for creating a vignette. Could one you please confirm I had it straight?

- vignette tool: it selectively affects the corners, so not allowed in basic. Even if the corners were already darker, you're not affecting other dark areas in the image.
- curves, levels: affect all pixels of same brightness in the same way, so legal in basic. You're not choosing a specific area of the image to darken, you're darkening everything that's already dark, in the corners or not.
- underexposing when converting from RAW: you're darkening everything, so legal in basic.

Thanks.


The steps in the last two bullets don't actually "create" a vignette--though they can make an existing vignette present due to optical light falloff during capture become more prominent. But certainly, curves, levels, and the exposure control when converting from RAW are legal in Basic, and the vignette tool is not. So yes, your three bullets are correct.
09/24/2008 09:32:31 AM · #38
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Is this a trick question? In basic, dodging and burn, layers, and blending modes are all illegal.

In basic, layers in normal blend and dodging & burning are legal.

Dodge and burn in basic is NOT legal.

Based on what? I see nothing in the basic ruleset that would exclude a touch of the ol' D&B, provided it's done in a normal blend mode.
 09/24/2008 09:35:36 AM · #39
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Is this a trick question? In basic, dodging and burn, layers, and blending modes are all illegal.

In basic, layers in normal blend and dodging & burning are legal.

Dodge and burn in basic is NOT legal.

Based on what? I see nothing in the basic ruleset that would exclude a touch of the ol' D&B, provided it's done in a normal blend mode.


You may not:
spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels.

D&B is spot editing.
 09/24/2008 10:47:51 AM · #40
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by david_c:
I see nothing in the basic ruleset that would exclude a touch of the ol' D&B, provided it's done in a normal blend mode.


You may not:
spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels.

D&B is spot editing.

What Kelli said. In addition, blending modes apply to Adjustment Layers (which contain no data). Dodge & Burn is not an Adjustment Layer, and no other types of layers are allowed in Basic.
 09/24/2008 11:00:30 AM · #41
Originally posted by Kelli:
You may not:
spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels.

D&B is spot editing.

Cripes, I can't believe I didn't see that.... :-/

Message edited by author 2008-09-24 11:00:41.
 09/24/2008 01:38:50 PM · #42
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by Kelli:
You may not:
spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels.

D&B is spot editing.

Cripes, I can't believe I didn't see that.... :-/


Does this mean that perhaps a few of your basic editing entries that appear to have dodge and burn should be questioned?

Matt
 09/24/2008 02:32:55 PM · #43
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by Prash:

You already have a ribbon: an invisible one. You thought about the award for extraordinary outreach. You are a winner already, Alex:-)


Technically though - it doesn't count towards your ribbon tally.. its one of those hundreds of pretend ones people on here come up with to make other people feel better about themselves. Like my "podcasted!" one for example.

just telling it like it is.


Man, did you have an extra helping of grouchy yesterday? Challenge ribbons are one type of recognition. Appreciating people who actually help others is another, equally valid concept. As is thanking people who give lots of comments. You ever thank anyone, Mark?

Not everyone's here just to compete for the first kind.

Just telling it like it really is.

Message edited by author 2008-09-24 14:33:45.
 09/24/2008 07:23:10 PM · #44
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by Prash:

You already have a ribbon: an invisible one. You thought about the award for extraordinary outreach. You are a winner already, Alex:-)


Technically though - it doesn't count towards your ribbon tally.. its one of those hundreds of pretend ones people on here come up with to make other people feel better about themselves. Like my "podcasted!" one for example.

just telling it like it is.


Man, did you have an extra helping of grouchy yesterday? Challenge ribbons are one type of recognition. Appreciating people who actually help others is another, equally valid concept. As is thanking people who give lots of comments. You ever thank anyone, Mark?

Not everyone's here just to compete for the first kind.

Just telling it like it really is.


still don`t count.
 09/24/2008 08:49:31 PM · #45
Originally posted by MattO:
Does this mean that perhaps a few of your basic editing entries that appear to have dodge and burn should be questioned?

In looking through the images I've submitted to Basic challenges, I can't see any where I'd used D&B, but feel free to call for validation on any submission you wish. I might even be able to find the originals.
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