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04/26/2010 09:54:27 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by posthumous:
yeah, dpc rulesets are only relevant to newspapers now, and have as much of a future. |
The whole point of this site is to work within the rules given. It's not the real world. Nobody is stopping you from editing however you want for shots outside of DPC. The rules here create boundaries that everyone must work within - that's part of the fun. I'm looking forward to a Minimal Editing challenge soon! |
And I agree with you Nuzzer. But just as everything moves along in the world, maybe DPC should too. I am not saying that we should have an EE challenge every week. But maybe, just maybe once or twice a year would be great. Just to see what is out there, to Learn, wouldn't it be great just to learn something new.
What with the new stuff that is out there and digital manipulation going around , it would be interesting, fun, mind boggling to see what people can do and LEARN.
I know that since joining this site, I have learnt so much, I would love to learn more and more and we have to keep up with the world of today. |
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04/26/2010 09:58:40 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Siggav:
Is it ok to doodle in textures? What about manually painting in some features that weren't there before, like drawing in really long hair in a model that has only shoulder length hair. |
That's apparently not OK. I got away with it early on, when I drew in my birds, but it was a split decision and we've been told it's not allowed now.
R. |
We discussed this issue extensively after my Michael Jackson entry which was validated after such lengthy discussion. It is my understanding that drawing from scratch IS LEGAL, there is plenty of precedent for that. It is clear that clipart is not allowed, but drawing your own lines, figures, etc IS NOT clipart and should continue to be legal unless specifically and officially stated otherwise by SC , so, I would appreciate it if Bear points to the exact official opinion by SC that he is referring to. Obviously, an official statement on the issue by SC via this thread would also be appreciated. |
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04/26/2010 11:10:28 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by senor_kasper:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Siggav:
Is it ok to doodle in textures? What about manually painting in some features that weren't there before, like drawing in really long hair in a model that has only shoulder length hair. |
That's apparently not OK. I got away with it early on, when I drew in my birds, but it was a split decision and we've been told it's not allowed now.
R. |
We discussed this issue extensively after my Michael Jackson entry which was validated after such lengthy discussion. It is my understanding that drawing from scratch IS LEGAL, there is plenty of precedent for that. It is clear that clipart is not allowed, but drawing your own lines, figures, etc IS NOT clipart and should continue to be legal unless specifically and officially stated otherwise by SC , so, I would appreciate it if Bear points to the exact official opinion by SC that he is referring to. Obviously, an official statement on the issue by SC via this thread would also be appreciated. |
Heck, I don't know dude, that was years ago. The last I'm aware of, they said we couldn't draw. They said if "drawing" was allowed then it opened the door to entries that had no photography in them at all, so therefore the "expert" rules only allowed imagery that began as photographs.
Now, if that's changed I'm not aware of it, but i don't have the energy to go back and find out where this was said and what's been said since. it's been a long time since we had an expert challenge.
So don't hang it on me, OK? I'm just the guy who was at the center of a controversy back when I painted the birds in it, and I'm just reporting what I was told then...
Peace, R. |
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04/26/2010 11:19:16 PM · #29 |
That's the same thread I linked to as well, and the latest discussion on the issue as far as I'm aware. Result, drawing from scratch is totally legal. I'll just post this here again (an example that I believe to be totally legal):
According to  Scalvert in the aforementioned thread, it's left up to the voter to determine if it should get a low vote for not being photographic.
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04/26/2010 11:23:04 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
That's the same thread I linked to as well, and the latest discussion on the issue as far as I'm aware. Result, drawing from scratch is totally legal. I'll just post this here again (an example that I believe to be totally legal):
According to Scalvert in the aforementioned thread, it's left up to the voter to determine if it should get a low vote for not being photographic. |
Well, that's great then. Makes me feel better about my birds :-) I thought they'd been grandfathered in, so to speak, but now i see Senor Kasper did the same thing with his MJ silhouette.
But here's the deal; they say I can't use clipart, right? But I guess i can load some clipart and then draw around it to make my own drawing OF the clipart and that will be OK? It gets my head to spinning, it does :-(
R. |
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04/26/2010 11:26:36 PM · #31 |
I don't see how something created from scratch (not a photo) qualifies based on the expert editing rules.
Your submission must be:
* taken with a digital camera that records EXIF data.
* composed only from photographs taken after the challenge is announced and before the deadline, based on the Current Server Time (US Eastern Standard/Daylight Time) displayed at the bottom of every page on this site.
* taken and post-processed by you. Someone else may press the shutter button if you set up the shot and the camera settings. No one else may post-process your entry for you. Exceptions must be approved by the Site Council in advance.
You may not:
* add graphics or clip art images to your entry or its border during editing.
Message edited by author 2010-04-26 23:29:15. |
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04/26/2010 11:29:44 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
I don't see how something created from scratch (not a photo) qualifies based on the expert editing rules. |
Think of each drawn pixel as a full stop. We can add text so we just add a LOT of full stops of differing colours to our image :) |
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04/26/2010 11:31:49 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
I don't see how something created from scratch (not a photo) qualifies based on the expert editing rules. |
Think of each drawn pixel as a full stop. We can add text so we just add a LOT of full stops of differing colours to our image :) |
Just start by photographing something solid black. ;oP
I see a lot of validation requests resulting from this challenge. |
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04/26/2010 11:59:28 PM · #34 |
| Did you read the previously linked thread? Those exact points were gone over in detail, and the image in question was still validated. |
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04/27/2010 12:04:23 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
Did you read the previously linked thread? Those exact points were gone over in detail, and the image in question was still validated. |
Nah, my and my dead horse need somewhere to go |
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04/27/2010 12:16:44 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...What we'd need to do is go shoot some birds during the submission dates; then we can burn those birds... |
For a second I thought you were talking about dinner there.. :) |
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04/29/2010 09:36:55 AM · #37 |
| Wish we could use creative brushes, but that would be using something that isn't a photo you took during the week of the challenge. Maybe I can find this "thing" I'm looking for, take a photo of it and include it in the poster. :) |
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04/29/2010 09:55:05 AM · #38 |
| You can draw in anything you want. Just make sure it can't be considered clip art (you must create it). |
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04/29/2010 10:02:22 PM · #39 |
| I am trying figure out if i can clone stamp or patch in from the sky to remove unwanted elements in the b/g, basically bring the horizon lower then it is i guess is what i am getting at....anyone know? |
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04/29/2010 10:25:37 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
I am trying figure out if i can clone stamp or patch in from the sky to remove unwanted elements in the b/g, basically bring the horizon lower then it is i guess is what i am getting at....anyone know? |
Definitely. There's absolutely no question about it. You can clone out anything you want, you can clone IN anything you want, there's no limit on that except that you have to have shot all the images used for this within the challenge dates.
R. |
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04/29/2010 10:26:43 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by smardaz:
I am trying figure out if i can clone stamp or patch in from the sky to remove unwanted elements in the b/g, basically bring the horizon lower then it is i guess is what i am getting at....anyone know? |
Definitely. There's absolutely no question about it. You can clone out anything you want, you can clone IN anything you want, there's no limit on that except that you have to have shot all the images used for this within the challenge dates.
R. |
thankyou sir |
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04/29/2010 10:37:26 PM · #42 |
Okay, I have a few Noobish questions about this challenge... I read through this thread, and perhaps I missed it, or just didn't understand but here are my questions...
Can you use the airbrush tool and set it to overlay? To change the color of subjects..
and second, aside from the fact that the images used have to be shot by us during the challenge dates, really, what is illegal in this challenge? and please, talk to me like a 5 year old...LOL... |
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04/29/2010 10:49:43 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
... and please, talk to me like a 5 year old...LOL... |
that shouldn't be hard around here lol |
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04/29/2010 11:28:22 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
Okay, I have a few Noobish questions about this challenge... I read through this thread, and perhaps I missed it, or just didn't understand but here are my questions...
Can you use the airbrush tool and set it to overlay? To change the color of subjects..
and second, aside from the fact that the images used have to be shot by us during the challenge dates, really, what is illegal in this challenge? and please, talk to me like a 5 year old...LOL... |
Illegal?
1. You can't use clipart. That seems to be interpreted by SC as referring specifically to prepackaged graphic imagery imported from elsewhere. Apparently we can, however, create our own "art" from scratch in PS. This means, for example, that I can't use the palm tree from CorelDraw's clipart collection, but I can draw a palm tree from scratch in PS to put on my empty beach. That's how I'm interpreting it, anyway, based on what SC has said.
2. The only photographs you can use as distinct parts of your final, composited image are ones that you took yourself within the challenge dates. You may, however, use any photographic images at all if they are used as textures or overlays. There is some ambiguity as to when an image stops being an image and becomes a texture/overlay.
That's about it, except for the usual "no genitalia" and "processed by you" proscriptions...
R. |
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04/29/2010 11:30:14 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's about it, except for the usual "no genitalia" and "processed by you" proscriptions... |
What about genitalia that you have drawn in yourself? |
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04/30/2010 12:12:44 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's about it, except for the usual "no genitalia" and "processed by you" proscriptions... |
What about genitalia that you have drawn in yourself? |
What part of "genitalia" don't you understand? ;-) |
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04/30/2010 12:27:33 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's about it, except for the usual "no genitalia" and "processed by you" proscriptions... |
What about genitalia that you have drawn in yourself? |
What part of "genitalia" don't you understand? ;-) |
The wrinkly part |
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04/30/2010 12:31:15 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's about it, except for the usual "no genitalia" and "processed by you" proscriptions... |
What about genitalia that you have drawn in yourself? |
What part of "genitalia" don't you understand? ;-) |
The wrinkly part |
haha |
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04/30/2010 03:57:16 AM · #49 |
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05/02/2010 08:05:17 PM · #50 |
well this is just 'fantastic'! i was going to have an awesome picture... but now after reading most of this can i?! nope! stupid rules...
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