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06/11/2004 01:02:53 AM · #1 |
| OK, maybe it's just because I'm fairly new here and there's something I just don't know about. But after voting through the last couple challenges, I've seen a number of photos that have been "validated". I'm assuming for the photos to be validated, someone has had to request a DQ for that particular photo. Well, as amazing as some of these photos are, I've yet to see one where I thought, "hmmm, that must be artificial and should be DQ'd". I find that even as a newbie I can still reasonably figure out how most of the more complex shots were taken. So am I right in thinking that DQ requests are made by people who don't know better and assume a technically difficult photo is doctored in some way? I'm just trying to understand the rationale and motive behind getting a photo DQ'd. I myself have never requested one on another's photo, and am perplexed as to why others would for most of the shots i've seen validated. Please share your thoughts and insights because I think I'm missing something here. |
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06/11/2004 01:13:15 AM · #2 |
Sometimes DQ requests are made for suspicions that the image was not taken during the challenge time frame, such as a pic of a snow covered Statue of Liberty in a July challenge. Or perhaps the requester thinks they saw the pic on another website a month earlier. And also some of us may not be as astute as you are in understanding legal vs. illegal editing methods.
Message edited by author 2004-06-11 01:17:57. |
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06/11/2004 01:19:08 AM · #3 |
| Well, sometimes on a basic challenge, the one's that end on Tuesday, it's more obivious. Since the rules are much more strict and basic it is easier to tell when someone has cloned out or burned something or done something nonlegal. On a member challenge it's a little more tricky 'cause you can do quite a bit. So, on the basic challenges the pictures that are obviously messed with in the sense that you've done a fancy trick with only part of the picture then a DQ will happen. |
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06/11/2004 01:19:20 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Sometimes DQ requests are made for suspections that the image was not taken during the challenge time frame, such as a pic of a snow covered Statue of Liberty in a July challenge. Or perhaps the requester thinks they saw the pic on another website a month earlier. And also some of us may not be as astute as you are in understanding legal vs. illegal editing methods. |
Hmmm, Good point about the time frame and misused shots. I never considered that. As for me being that astute with editing methods, well, hardly. I would post some of the pictures I am referring to but don't want to draw any unwanted (or wanted) attention to them while the challenges are in progress. |
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06/11/2004 08:31:01 AM · #5 |
I'm 2 for 2 on my DQ requests. Both of the shots were very good pictures in my opinion and I gave them high scores before I recommended disqualification because of suspicion of cheating. I really hoped I was wrong in both cases and that they were if fact valid photos, but they both disappeared during the voting. One of them I suspected of feathering or spot editing the shot because it looked too clean and looked like the entire edge of one side of the photo had been faded into a background layer or something like that. The other one was a landscape that showed a season that didn't match the challenge time frame. I know there are members here from the Southern Hemisphere that have seasons opposite of ours, so I thought there was a chance it could be a valid photo, but I guess not.
That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with requesting validation on a photo. If it is a legal photo, there is no harm in requesting it, other than a little more work for the SC. It will only hurt those who are trying to get away with something illegal. Ok, it might hurt those who have their camera set to the wrong date accidentally, but it will teach them an important lesson! |
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06/11/2004 08:35:52 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by C-town driver:
I would post some of the pictures I am referring to but don't want to draw any unwanted (or wanted) attention to them while the challenges are in progress. |
Thanks for being discreet since we keep entries anonymous and do not refer to them in specific terms during the voting week.
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06/11/2004 08:43:06 AM · #7 |
| If you think a challenge entry may have been altered by illegal editing methods you should request a DQ. It's a simple, painless and anonymous thing to do. Just a couple of clicks and a few words about what makes it suspicious to you. That won't get it automatically DQed but it will bring the attention of the Site Council to the pic and the reason you think it may be illegal. If they think the suspicions are warranted they will request that the photographer submit the oroginal image file, along with the steps used in it's editing, for verification. Without going thru this step in the procedure it is not fair to the photographer to have a forum discussion about the legality of specific images, either during or after the voting. Voter's requests for DQs are an essential part of keeping the challenges honest. |
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06/11/2004 08:47:34 AM · #8 |
I requested DQ on the multiple lights challenge on a couple of images that disapeared so I assume they were not legal, and I've requested two on the current open challenge (waiting)... One because I thought it had been dodged/burned to remove shadows, as there is inconsistent lighting in the image, and another as it look as as if some spot editing may have been done..
As long as it is not too painful for the SC folks I think the DQ process is quite sensible to keep things on an even keel.
I'd be quite flattered if someone DQ'd one of my shots, as that means they think I did something clever with the shot :-).
Cheers, Me. |
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06/11/2004 09:04:51 AM · #9 |
| Just as some of us are more adept in using editing software than others, so are some more adept in spotting it's use. My percentage for DQ requests is probably around 25%. And I know it really makes me feel like a sucker when I find out that a picture I have scored high was made using illegal techniques. Voters who are able to detect the violations and request DQs on them are doing a valuable service to voters like me and the dpc community as a whole. |
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06/11/2004 05:01:47 PM · #10 |
| Very valid and thoughtful insights here :) |
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06/11/2004 05:49:27 PM · #11 |
As mentioned, some people get DQ'ed from a basic challenged for unallowed editing. I'll use myself for an example. I submitted a shot for the opposites challenge and was DQ'ed because of selective editing and using the healing brush. Stupid as may be, I did not think of it being basic editting until I got DQ'ed. So, that is another reason, people, like me, can get mixed up and do advanced editing on a basic rules shot.
This is the shot I entered into the Opposites Challenge and got DQ'ed
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06/12/2004 08:05:36 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Zoomdak:
As mentioned, some people get DQ'ed from a basic challenged for unallowed editing. I'll use myself for an example. I submitted a shot for the opposites challenge and was DQ'ed because of selective editing and using the healing brush. Stupid as may be, I did not think of it being basic editting until I got DQ'ed. So, that is another reason, people, like me, can get mixed up and do advanced editing on a basic rules shot.
This is the shot I entered into the Opposites Challenge and got DQ'ed
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So what was it that you did? Selective desaturation? (The yellow stripe in the logo with no other colour?) |
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