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06/09/2004 07:06:20 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by melismatica:
I would say I was at least one of the people targeted as 'ignorant' in that last thread because the originator of the thread sent me a PM asking me to read it. LOL! I'm guessing he sent that PM to all the people who's comments he didn't check as helpful.
I had already read it an commented a few times by the time I got that message. |
OMG, that's shocking behaviour! Some people need to chill out! |
Yes, I'd say that is taking things a bit too seriously. I just thought it was funny. I had already gotten an explanation of why I was wrong in a PM during the voting. :-D He wasn't really rude, just kind of annoying. Another person a few challenges ago actually sent me a PM during the voting in which he insulted my own portfolio to defend his entry. That bugged me. |
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06/09/2004 07:10:23 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Konador:
I dunno... I'd prefer to have no job I think, hehe |
Come to think of it, so do I. I just wish I could live the life of the loafer AND be fabulously wealthy. I can't complain. I'm not out of work. I just choose not to work. I did finally drag myself away from DPC to get some eBay listings done and so far I've made $5 since 5:45. WHOHOO! |
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06/09/2004 07:15:46 PM · #28 |
Do you make a living on Ebay? I would say that's work... it's not easy!
As for me, I have three jobs. 1 full time (to help put my husband through school), 1 part time (because I am learning a lot there and can help people) and 1 spare time (photography... selling, events, etc.)! And, to top it off, I am also available for web design if anyone wants to hire me (no Flash or Shopping carts though)... just html, php, graphics, basic business card sites from 4 to 6 pages on average :) |
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06/09/2004 07:20:36 PM · #29 |
| You remember when Michael Jackson was selling millions upon millions of copies of his albums? I didn't buy not a single one ,I prefer Wishbone Ash or Iron Maiden stuff.. :-) |
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06/09/2004 07:22:51 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
People who don't like my shots are either blind, clueless, odd, bereft of taste or probably smell of poo. Perhaps all of these. |
Your photos suck so bad,that I like them very much ! :-) |
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06/09/2004 07:33:51 PM · #31 |
Reconsider! Do not lose heart because a crowd of people judge you unjustly. What are the qualification for the majority of the voters? They are looking for strong visual impact and care not about the rules or indeed about the guiding objective.
It is best to be your own best critic. Always ask yourself does this photograph looks like a snap shot? Exactly what in it could I have improved? Is the mood best represented in color? Is the composition ambiguous? The cropping. How well are the tones represented. Well, there are many more considerations, but once you drop it into competition forget about it and concentrate on making your next shot the best one yet. Often times, the opinion of the crowd is not the deciding factor of quality. |
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06/09/2004 07:37:38 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
Do you make a living on Ebay? I would say that's work... it's not easy!
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When I actually bother to list once or twice a week (say, 18 items?) I make about what a high school student makes at a part-time job. If I listed about 10 items five days a week I would probably do a lot better. My husband actually lists pretty regularly after his full-time job. It is definitely a good extra-income but it tends to take over a small living space. The nice thing about it is the hours our flexible. :-D But sometimes you really have to have the patience of a saint. My husband comes pretty close.
If anyone is curious...here is my husband's seller page and here is mine. As you can see, he works a lot harder at it then me. We also occasionally lists things for friends and take a percentage of the cut. Of course this page only shows fairly recent listings. Some months I am much better about listing. If I want that new camera I have to be a LOT better. :D
Message edited by author 2004-06-09 19:42:47. |
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06/09/2004 08:01:40 PM · #33 |
I believe I'm one of the "ignorants" referred to as well.
Looking at the pictures and profiles of my contemporaries.....
I'm in pretty damned good company!
Don't let it bother ya. It's all subjective and like I say, looking at your photos....you're doing well. |
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06/09/2004 08:07:18 PM · #34 |
Who in their right mind likes VOTERS. they fall under the same catagory as the police. self opinionated and full of a substance we could all do without. BUT............ They are the votes and you should accept the opinion they have.. I have seen works of genius recieve at least 1 vote of '1'.. how they justify it is beyond my comprehension but somebody, somewhere will always be a complete and utter dickhead about things, this is life. I still enjoy just taking photos and if someone believes they should score my picture with a '1' then good luck to them, but I think you will find that most votes of '1' come without explanation and can therefore be deemed the work of an IDIOT.
Happy voting everyone (oh and I have a very British Cockney accent too)
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06/09/2004 08:18:09 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Sorry, but I think that when you let 'the masses' decide on artistic value, you WILL end up with art that is less creative and on the edge. A lot of art that is most interesting and creative will only appeal to a niche minority. I do think that as someone who takes a lot of photos for DPC challenges, I am encouraged not to be too different, and to think about what would please 'mainstream' tastes. That's fine for me at the moment, as it gives me a chance to develop my technique. However, I think people are deluding themselves if they think this environment fosters originality and creativity.
Having said that, I agree that sometimes people are quick to blame this culture rather than their own talents. ;-) |
I totally agree. Sometimes the brillant shots, although outside the realm of what is expected, will not win the 8s, 9s or even 10s of the DPC voters. I can't really say much based upon my limited challenge participation but from what I've seen in the comments on both others entries and my own, sometimes the voters tend to ignore certain aspects of a photo in exchange for others.
As far as growing both from a creative and original aspect, I don't see myself doing that at the moment strictly from a challenge perspective. Why? Well, most of the creative entries do win ribbons but there's a fine line between being original/creative and not meeting the challenge based on what the majority has to say when voting. I've seen that the entry needs to be dead-on with the challenge otherwise most people will not give it proper voting. I tend to be fairly relaxed from that aspect and that if I'm going to give an entry a 1 or 2, there had better be a damned good reason why. Most of the time it's because there is a blatant non-conformance with the challenge requirements. Let's say the challenge is negative space and the entire frame is filled with the main subject. That would earn a 1 or 2 from me even though you could look at it from a different perspective as in the entire subject is negative space. Maybe I'm going on too long but you get the idea, I hope.
Anyway, vote away and be nice to each other! :)
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06/09/2004 08:25:59 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
People who don't like my shots are either blind, clueless, odd, bereft of taste or probably smell of poo. Perhaps all of these. |
I love your work and I added you as a favorite way back in January '04. :) I may still smell of poo, however...and in case I do, anyone is welcome to get rid of me on Sunday when us LA folks meet.
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06/09/2004 08:26:37 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Sorry, but I think that when you let 'the masses' decide on artistic value, you WILL end up with art that is less creative |
I concur.
At the risk of being ignorant, I think if mainstream is your thing and you don't generally get or like art [ie photography] that isn't of the norm, I think that's the epitomy of non creativity. The problem is most people consider being referred to as 'not creative' as an insult. Not so. |
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06/09/2004 08:27:39 PM · #38 |
No. There arent ignorant voters. This is all about personal taste and if the voter does not like the the picture then they dont have to vote high just because the person who shot the picture liked it. But you know what im getting sick of? Stupid posters. The thing about these challanges is not to throw together the first thing you think of or post on the last day a second before deadline, it is to think up something that will DEMONSTRATE the topic at hand. Like the current challenge "waiting." I should be able to get the meaning of the immage without reading the title. I dont want to look at a centered image of a flower and have to look at the title, "Waiting for budding", to understand what the picture is supposed to mean.
First of all flowers dont wait. They do not have brains, they do not have a central nervous system. They are not capable to think or to want, therefore they are not capable of waiting. It is the photographer who is waiting.
Second of all SHOW WHO IS WAITING. Show some one bent over a weeping flower crying or praying and have the caption be "waiting for a mirricle." Why are there captions anyways? It is supposed to be the title of the peice not the answer to the riddle. These are not supposed to be riddles they are supposed to be guides. Any photo I see that has nothing to do with the task at hand I gave a one and left the comment "what does this picture have to do with waiting?" and I advise all of you to do the same |
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06/09/2004 08:28:56 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
People who don't like my shots are either blind, clueless, odd, bereft of taste or probably smell of poo. Perhaps all of these. |
Good thing I'm not in denial about being any of those things.
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06/09/2004 08:32:26 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by fallingretina:
First of all flowers dont wait. They do not have brains, they do not have a central nervous system. They are not capable to think or to want, therefore they are not capable of waiting. It is the photographer who is waiting.
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I hate to be the one to point out non-creativity but....ahem...I know people are tired of flowers, but a waiting flower, awaiting it's purpose which is to bud and to be beautiful and pollenate; is almost spiritual. |
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06/09/2004 08:48:06 PM · #41 |
| Should overly critical voters have to be able to take a decent photograph themselves? That would be interesting.... |
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06/09/2004 08:50:01 PM · #42 |
I used to take part in some of these whine sessions about scoring, placing, and comments recieved. I then realized how petty or bitter they sounded, neither one a trait that I want to be described with. I personally wish all these whine session 'why didn't my photo win?' threads would automatically end up in the rant section so I don't have to see them anymore...
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06/09/2004 08:51:39 PM · #43 |
I think I'll start an "I suck, but I'm happy!" thread... :o) LOL
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06/09/2004 09:31:06 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
I think I'll start an "I suck, but I'm happy!" thread... :o) LOL |
Uhhhh... what color was that ribbon that just left the home page?
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06/09/2004 09:36:54 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Lafaminit:
Should overly critical voters have to be able to take a decent photograph themselves? That would be interesting.... |
Depends on how you define "overly critical" and "decent." :) I would say I am very critical about my comments and borderline nitpicky. As for my photographs, two of my entries have placed in the 86th percentile one in the 77th and the rest are, er, well...yeah...pictures. I'm pleased with most of the pictures I take and of the ones posted in my portfolio. I just wish that one of them would win a ribbon one day or that I place in the top ten.
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06/09/2004 10:22:05 PM · #46 |
| try not to care so much on the score, but try to concentrate more on if you had fun shooting the shot. I may not be even close to being a good photographer but who cares cuz I had fun doing it and learn more with every shot I take. |
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06/09/2004 10:36:09 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by photom:
Originally posted by laurielblack:
I think I'll start an "I suck, but I'm happy!" thread... :o) LOL |
Uhhhh... what color was that ribbon that just left the home page? |
Uhh..that ribbon hasn't seen the 4.5 and 4.7 I'm running right now... but that's OK because I know the shots both meet the challenge and I like 'em! :o)
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06/09/2004 10:46:38 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Lafaminit:
Should overly critical voters have to be able to take a decent photograph themselves?... |
I wish there were more critical voters. I prefer them to those lecturing me on topicality and neglecting the picture.
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06/10/2004 03:51:20 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Uhh..that ribbon hasn't seen the 4.5 and 4.7 I'm running right now... but that's OK because I know the shots both meet the challenge and I like 'em! :o) |
In the same boat here at a 4.5 .
I agree some "creative critism" on photos would be nicer than being sub 5 with only positive comments.
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06/10/2004 04:02:03 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
I think I'll start an "I suck, but I'm happy!" thread... :o) LOL |
I wish I could join that one.
I think I'll start that "I suck, and I'm unhappy because I suck" thread. |
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