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03/04/2010 06:26:32 AM · #326 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
You've just inspired me to go back to shooting what has meaning to me instead of what may "please" or capture scores. I've kind of lost my track in chasing scores and lost what has meaning to me. Thanks Jeb. That is what photography is supposed to be about for me...capturing a moment in time with some meaning somehow, somewhere and to some depth. |
It was Deb  Melethia who first reminded me what it was that we're here to do, and how we should go about it.
She actually started a thread, which can always be revived, called, I believe, the "I love my shot" thread, where we would take a challenge entry, and upon linking in the thumb, explain where we were coming from, and what we had hoped to convey with the image. It was both rewarding, and cathartic, to quite a few of us to put into words and thought what couldn't be conveyed during the challenge.
Deb claims she has no special powers, but she is always a quiet, warm voice of reason, and she has inspired many of us with her attitude and wisdom. She certainly helped me to teach myself how to seek, and find, the photographer within, and to be comfortable with that. I've not had a bad challenge entry since, regardless of a score. I only enter the images that I am content with, and that I have completed my process upon, from snapping the shutter to upload. If I'm unsure of my finality, or just am not happy with my image, I take a pass. Oddly, it seems for the most part that since I stopped shooting for the scores and to please the voters, my work has improved. Go figure!
Oh.....back onto thread......8>)
Votes: 85
Views: 149
Avg Vote: 6.5412
Comments: 4
Favorites: 1
Edited for phat phingers....8>)
Message edited by author 2010-03-04 06:28:50.
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03/04/2010 07:37:35 AM · #327 |
Originally posted by denbote:
the votes are in snails pace. i think if we wanna combat this troll thing, members/participants must vote, to offset the effect of the trolls. |
I would love to see some stats to prove your comments about people purposely voting low. I wish Langdon would provide some real numbers to prove this troll thing ALL of you seem to consistently whine about. In a vote structure like we have here at DPC it is totally normal to get low votes and high votes.
A low vote signifies your photo is not well liked.
A high vote signifies your photo is well liked.
Pretty easy to understand but some insist on not understanding how a vote is compiled.
Why don't you whiners ask Langdon to eliminate the 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 vote. That way you'll all get votes to your liking and this place will become a haven for great photography in the process because we all know that if a photo ranks high at DPC, IT MUST BE TRULY AN EXCEPTIONAL PHOTOGRAPH! /end sarcasm |
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03/04/2010 08:24:09 AM · #328 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I would love to see some stats to prove your comments about people purposely voting low. I wish Langdon would provide some real numbers to prove this troll thing ALL of you seem to consistently whine about. In a vote structure like we have here at DPC it is totally normal to get low votes and high votes. |
When a voting average swings back and forth wildly in a short period of time with no new votes, or with only one or two, and it happens consistently throughout a challenge, that's voting abuse.
I, among others, have been submitting tickets to that effect, and I have received notice that there *IS* a problem and it is being dealt with accordingly.
I don't whine, I'm not all that concerned about the score, but when it swings wildly back and forth in such a manner that I cannot trust the score at all, and it happens in the voting cycle across a couple of challenges, then it just pisses me off because I have no idea where I really stand.
Maybe I'm all wet, but I feel it's reasonable to expect that my score is an accurate representation of what the community actually thinks of my entry. As of right now, in two challenges, I really have *zero* idea as to the accuracy of my score.
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03/04/2010 09:02:43 AM · #329 |
Originally posted by Jac:
A low vote signifies your photo is not well liked.
A high vote signifies your photo is well liked. |
Bingo. Some people will vote on how well they like or dislike the photo, which is different from whether it is good or bad. |
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03/04/2010 09:33:09 AM · #330 |
Originally posted by Jac:
A low vote signifies your photo is not well liked.
A high vote signifies your photo is well liked.
Pretty easy to understand but some insist on not understanding how a vote is compiled. |
That's how it's supposed to work but it doesn't always work that way. Two examples:
1. It has been mentioned previously in this thread that there is a voter who is obviously voting low. I won't say how, but I was able to determine who that voter was and I've been watching his average vote cast undulate from just over a 1 average (with just over 250 votes cast) to an average of over 8.5 (at about 750 votes cast), back down to 4.7307 (apparently, several hundred of his votes were removed), and is currently showing an average of 6.0157 (votes cast back up to 762). Maybe he is having fun seeing the effect that his extreme voting is having on his average or on the comments in these scoring threads, but I don't think that he is changing his mind about how well he likes the images he is voting on.Originally posted by Jac:
end sarcasm |
2. One technique to voting that some people employ is to initially categorize all images as low, medium, and high by assigning votes of 1, 5, and 10. Later, they will go through these three categories and further refine their scoring across the voting spectrum until they are finished. They may not have any images remaining with 10's or 1's when they are done, but the scores will be changing during the voting process. Depending on how many people are doing this simultaneously and how many votes have been received during this process will reflect in what people's current scores are and how much they fluctuate.
I do believe in trolls, I do believe in trolls ;) But I don't concern myself much with them because it all averages out in the end. |
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03/04/2010 11:52:05 AM · #331 |
There are definitely trolls - I don't think there are as many as we think though. On my entry (for Eggs) I have a sub-5 score. I couldn't be more dissapointed. However, I know it just is what it is and although I have seen one troll's profile that voted (and left a pseudo nice comment)and they are definitely troll. Here is their profile info (minus name of course):
Challenges Entered: 0
Votes Cast: 121
Avg Vote Cast: 1.9752
Votes Received: 0
Avg Vote Received: 0.0000
By the way, they signed up March 3, 2010. Big surprise :-) |
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03/04/2010 12:04:56 PM · #332 |
Votes: 89
Views: 150
Avg Vote: 5.3596
Amazed I haven't received at least one comment.
Not doing as well as I thought it should be. Thought it would at least be in the high 5s. Oh well. On to the next challenge if I can get my creative juices flowing. |
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03/04/2010 12:09:02 PM · #333 |
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
There are definitely trolls - I don't think there are as many as we think though. On my entry (for Eggs) I have a sub-5 score. I couldn't be more dissapointed. However, I know it just is what it is and although I have seen one troll's profile that voted (and left a pseudo nice comment)and they are definitely troll. Here is their profile info (minus name of course):
Challenges Entered: 0
Votes Cast: 121
Avg Vote Cast: 1.9752
Votes Received: 0
Avg Vote Received: 0.0000
By the way, they signed up March 3, 2010. Big surprise :-) |
I have a feeling lots of low votes will be scrubbed and that scores will jump on rollover ;)
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03/04/2010 12:21:14 PM · #334 |
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
There are definitely trolls - I don't think there are as many as we think though. On my entry (for Eggs) I have a sub-5 score. I couldn't be more dissapointed. However, I know it just is what it is and although I have seen one troll's profile that voted (and left a pseudo nice comment)and they are definitely troll. Here is their profile info (minus name of course):
Challenges Entered: 0
Votes Cast: 121
Avg Vote Cast: 1.9752
Votes Received: 0
Avg Vote Received: 0.0000
By the way, they signed up March 3, 2010. Big surprise :-) |
I have a feeling lots of low votes will be scrubbed and that scores will jump on rollover ;) |
Hate to burst a bubble, but I just took a look for myself and there's a handful of newly registered users with votes that are certainly under the 20% minimum and are quite HIGH (avg 8.xxx or above). |
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03/04/2010 01:37:57 PM · #335 |
Not as good as it's been, but I'm still happy with any 6+ Free Study....ecstatic with a 6.5+.
Votes: 87
Views: 154
Avg Vote: 6.5632
Comments: 4
Favorites: 1
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03/04/2010 02:26:32 PM · #336 |
A decent average for a freestudy, but I'd thought it might be good for something a bit higher. Ya' never know.
Votes: 100
Views: 158
Avg Vote: 5.7000
Comments: 3 |
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03/04/2010 05:39:44 PM · #337 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Jac:
A low vote signifies your photo is not well liked.
A high vote signifies your photo is well liked. |
Bingo. Some people will vote on how well they like or dislike the photo, which is different from whether it is good or bad. |
Right on!!! :) |
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03/04/2010 05:42:14 PM · #338 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
You've just inspired me to go back to shooting what has meaning to me instead of what may "please" or capture scores. I've kind of lost my track in chasing scores and lost what has meaning to me. Thanks Jeb. That is what photography is supposed to be about for me...capturing a moment in time with some meaning somehow, somewhere and to some depth. |
It was Deb Melethia who first reminded me what it was that we're here to do, and how we should go about it.
She actually started a thread, which can always be revived, called, I believe, the "I love my shot" thread, where we would take a challenge entry, and upon linking in the thumb, explain where we were coming from, and what we had hoped to convey with the image. It was both rewarding, and cathartic, to quite a few of us to put into words and thought what couldn't be conveyed during the challenge.
Deb claims she has no special powers, but she is always a quiet, warm voice of reason, and she has inspired many of us with her attitude and wisdom. She certainly helped me to teach myself how to seek, and find, the photographer within, and to be comfortable with that. I've not had a bad challenge entry since, regardless of a score. I only enter the images that I am content with, and that I have completed my process upon, from snapping the shutter to upload. If I'm unsure of my finality, or just am not happy with my image, I take a pass. Oddly, it seems for the most part that since I stopped shooting for the scores and to please the voters, my work has improved. Go figure!
Oh.....back onto thread......8>)
Votes: 85
Views: 149
Avg Vote: 6.5412
Comments: 4
Favorites: 1
Edited for phat phingers....8>) |
Thanks Jeb! :) I'm going to do a search for that thread and do some reading. I guess I missed it during my hiatus but, it sounds like it is an inspiring set of thoughts that would do me a lot of good to read too. :)
I'd like to actually like my camera again. I once did have a love affair with it! LOL |
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03/04/2010 06:43:49 PM · #339 |
100 vote check in (or near enough)
Votes: 103
Views: 175
Avg Vote: 6.6214
Comments: 6 |
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03/04/2010 07:42:49 PM · #340 |
100 vote check-in
Votes: 100
Views: 160
Avg Vote: 6.3100
Comments: 7 |
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03/04/2010 07:58:23 PM · #341 |
Votes: 100
Views: 192
Avg Vote: 6.5300
Comments: 6
Favorites: 1
Votes: 102
Views: 197
Avg Vote: 6.5490
Message edited by author 2010-03-05 00:06:49. |
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03/04/2010 09:08:06 PM · #342 |
100 vote check-in (took a long time to get to 100 votes it seemed)
Votes: 100
Views: 181
Avg Vote: 6.2000
Comments: 5
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03/04/2010 09:18:03 PM · #343 |
A mediocre score posting in.
Votes: 101
Views: 169
Avg Vote: 5.6832
Comments: 0
Actually for a Free Study I am quite happy. |
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03/04/2010 10:03:16 PM · #344 |
Votes: 101
Views: 165
Avg Vote: 5.6238
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0
This has been so up and down. I don't know what to believe.
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03/04/2010 11:27:46 PM · #345 |
Hey, how are all you guys at 100 votes? I only have 89! I want my money back!
(Stalks off to sulk in the corner.... nobody loves me...)
Actually, I have a grand and glorious score going - it's above my February average of 5.0138 so I am tickled pink! |
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03/04/2010 11:42:51 PM · #346 |
Doing well for a freestudy. Seems to be hovering around this point now.
Votes: 108
Views: 170
Avg Vote: 5.7130
Comments: 3 |
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03/05/2010 12:15:25 AM · #347 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Doing well for a freestudy. Seems to be hovering around this point now.
Votes: 108
Views: 170
Avg Vote: 5.7130
Comments: 3 |
Nice...you're doing better than I am at the 100 vote checkpoint. I guess I missed the mark on this one, but I won't complain about a 5+ score. Too many on here expect a 6 and 7 photo every time out of the gate, and I think that's a bit much. Of course that's a general statement Steve, and in no way directed at you....just some rambling thoughts. LOL.
Votes: 100
Views: 172
Avg Vote: 5.3400
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
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03/05/2010 02:30:00 AM · #348 |
Votes: 97
Views: 159
Avg Vote: 5.8247
Comments: 2
Last 20 or so voters have been generous. |
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03/05/2010 02:51:34 AM · #349 |
100 vote check-in.....bleh
Votes: 100
Views: 173
Avg Vote: 5.6200
Comments: 2 |
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03/05/2010 04:53:51 AM · #350 |
100'ish
Votes: 97
Views: 167
Avg Vote: 6.4948
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 03/05/10 04:53 am |
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