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 11/23/2009 02:35:12 PM · #26
Yes & yes.

My question to those who do not is why? I don't get it.

Now I do have to admit that the subject of the photo can sometimes prejudice my vote one way or the other. I guess that is because we all have our likes and dislikes. I can't help myself when I see a beautiful model so it ends up getting a point or two higher score than a similar shot. Call me sexist

Message edited by author 2009-11-23 19:46:03.
 11/23/2009 03:07:30 PM · #27
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Yes & yes.

My question to thsoe who do not is why? I don't get it.



ditto!
 11/23/2009 03:32:30 PM · #28
This thread illustrates perfectly my 'gripe' about pm's during challenges. I am now becoming aware of who 'may' have taken a picture, but I try not to be biased and vote purely on the merit of the picture. I do not believe people should make others aware of which pictures are theirs before or during challenges.
 11/23/2009 03:55:55 PM · #29
Like others said, the majority here do not know anyone. Sometimes I think I recognize a photographers work and I'm often wrong. There are a few people who have recognizable children, sometimes it bothers me, other times it doesn't. I often skip voting on photos of Times Square or other recognizable NYC icons, just because I don't want my over-familiarity with the subject to influence my vote.
11/23/2009 04:53:35 PM · #30
I think the few people who might figure out who the photographer is can still be objective and unbiased, and the few who are unable/unwilling to do that canât really do much damage to the voting anyway.

I rarely give even myself anything higher than an 8, otherwise the vote cops get suspicious.
11/23/2009 04:57:52 PM · #31
Originally posted by Scholten:
I think the few people who might figure out who the photographer is can still be objective and unbiased, and the few who are unable/unwilling to do that canât really do much damage to the voting anyway.

I rarely give even myself anything higher than an 8, otherwise the vote cops get suspicious.


Hehe, nice try, but we can't vote ourselves ;D
 11/23/2009 06:29:49 PM · #32
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Yes & yes.

My question to thsoe who do not is why? I don't get it.



ditto!


I think its more about who will admit it and who wont. Even if they aren't setting out to cheat it has to effect you to some degree. Lets say you win a 4th place by .01, but 3rd is clearly a site favorite, you gotta feel robbed.

Let me be clear that I have no dog in this hunt. I think its interesting that people think they can be fair. I guess if the fairness of this competition were our biggest problem we would be in good shape.
 11/23/2009 06:37:49 PM · #33
no - we come pre-packaged with biases
it might be a great pic but i don't like [_____].
i'm not partial to [______].
if i haddn't seen the other pic of [_____] i would have rated yours higher

bias
11/23/2009 06:49:58 PM · #34
I can't say what is fair and what isn't but I do know that most of the time people vote lower when they are participating in the challenge vs when they are not. I would love to see a trial run of no voting on challenges you enter and see how it effects the scoring. I know some will argue that the vote count will be lower. But really I would rather have less votes than more votes with a skewed average. Who knows, Maybe it would encourage more commenting on images if the participants were not allowed to vote. I think it is worth a try.
 11/23/2009 06:59:41 PM · #35
Originally posted by ralph:
no - we come pre-packaged with biases
it might be a great pic but i don't like [_____].
i'm not partial to [______].
if i haddn't seen the other pic of [_____] i would have rated yours higher

bias


True. We all have a bias. Recognizing that is a step forward but that doesn't mean we're doomed to paralysis. If I never saw another Icelandic landscape again I wouldn't shed a tear but that doesn't mean I can't judge the next one based on challenge relevancy, craftsmanship, creativity, originality, etc and still give it a high score. Conversely, photos that I have marked as a favorite don't always get my highest vote.

Message edited by author 2009-11-23 19:02:31.
 11/23/2009 07:06:59 PM · #36
Originally posted by ralph:
no - we come pre-packaged with biases
it might be a great pic but i don't like [_____].
i'm not partial to [______].
if i haddn't seen the other pic of [_____] i would have rated yours higher

bias


Sure we come pre-packaged with bias, but we also come pre-packaged with enough intelligence to overcome them⦠at least I do.. most of the time. :-)

I think itâs rare that people think: âThis photo MIGHT be by (______) so Iâm going to give it a (10)?â Rare enough that itâs hardly worth worrying about.
11/23/2009 08:07:03 PM · #37
I think that many people CAN vote fair.

I think that many people DO vote fair.

I also think that many people DON'T vote fair.

You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both...

Well, we know how that ends.
 11/23/2009 08:47:49 PM · #38
Originally posted by Niten:
I think its more about who will admit it and who wont. Even if they aren't setting out to cheat it has to effect you to some degree. Lets say you win a 4th place by .01, but 3rd is clearly a site favorite, you gotta feel robbed.

That's actually the precise reason that I vote images that I think are likely to give mine any kind of a run higher than where I'm sitting.

If I beat an image for the third place ribbon by .001 *I* don't want to even think that maybe if I'd have voted his higher that he/she'd have beaten me.

Besides, there are plenty of trolls and experts to give out low votes and critical comments.

I vote 'em high, and do my very level best to make mention of what strikes me as the best and most pleasing points of the images I vote. Occasionally, I run into one that's hard to say something nice about, but I assume that all entries were put forth as a reasonable effort.
 11/23/2009 09:43:09 PM · #39
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I think that many people CAN vote fair.

I think that many people DO vote fair.

I also think that many people DON'T vote fair.

You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both...

Well, we know how that ends.


I would add there are alot that think they vote fair but don't and they don't even realize it.
 11/23/2009 10:02:00 PM · #40
I don't think every one votes fair, but I would say that the vast majority do. I would have to say that it is pointless to 'vote rig' on this site as there is nothing of value to gain.

I guess as a safeguard to this though is that we normally have over 100 votes on every pic. So as long as every voter is somewhat consistent during voting it will not matter. As for voting in challenges you have entered I don't see why you can not. Like I said before as long as they are consistent the ranking of the pics will stay the same.

Has it even been proven that people vote lower in challenges they have entered? If they do maybe it is because they have put more thought into that topic.
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