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09/09/2009 02:31:08 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by scalvert:
It's a conspiracy to cover up the conspiracy. They thought of everything. |
I was worried about you scalvert. I knew if you kept hanging out in rant and bantering with the affected you'd soon become infected yourself. What size hat do you wear? I'll send you some protection. |
Great, except they've really thought of everything, including tricking you into wearing that foil headgear, which independent research at MIT has revealed will amplify -- not block -- the governement's radio signals. |
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09/09/2009 02:58:29 PM · #52 |
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09/09/2009 03:05:52 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Drat... foiled again! |
Hmmmm ... The Cat in the Hat ... Snidely Whiplash ... separated at birth???? ;-) |
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09/09/2009 03:08:49 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Hmmmm ... The Cat in the Hat ... Snidely Whiplash ... separated at birth???? ;-) |
[Curls whisker with evil meow...] |
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09/09/2009 03:23:52 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by merchillio:
A RFID chip is exactly like a barcode without the need for a line of sight, nothing more, nothing less. |
Exactly right. They are certainly no more problematic than the tattoos that the Nazis placed on the peoples of the Holocaust. Survivors of that event went on to live long and health lives for the most part. Many were even proud to display these marks as a badge of honor.
Unfortunately you can't really see if a person is implanted with an RFID, maybe we could mandate a special tattoo that must be worn to assure authorities you've been implanted. Well, that won't be necessary because all police and most government workers that deal with the public will have hand wands that will be able to read the RFID chips. In fact any store you patronize will be required to have them. No legal transaction will be able to take place without presentation of a proper RFID code. Each person will have his own database within the government. As each transaction takes place the data is routed to the proper cubbyhole ............
Damn, sorry! My imagination ran away with me. Must adjust my aluminum foil hat! |
HA HA HA !
on a more serious note, I fail to see how that's so different from now.
When was the last time you got a credit card from a bank without showing solid identification? The stores only accept credit card payment because they assume the bank did its job. You can't pay by check without a valid ID. The only thing you can do without ID, is cash only transactions, and we all know that they are not the cleanest ones.
I don't know about you, but my governement already has a lot of data about me: all my tax declarations, my education, my employment, my place and time of birth. If I look at my passport, I see they know a lot about me, from my height to the colors of my eyes. Heck, they also know I need glasses to see (from when I passed my driver's licence). They even know exactly where I live!
In a dictatorial regime, I would probably sing another tune, but, here, I find it so funny when people are afraid or scared of an elected governement.
From a very good movie I saw a few times ago: "People should not be afraid of their government, governments should be afraid of their people"
Edited because I forgot to invoke Godwin's Law on your comment about the nazi. Also to point out the fallacy of that argument; I'm pretty sure the tattoo was the less dangerous threat to health and life expentancy of Nazi's prisonners.
Message edited by author 2009-09-09 15:27:37. |
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09/09/2009 03:50:25 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by merchillio:
on a more serious note, I fail to see how that's so different from now.
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Only one little thing. Proof. |
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09/09/2009 04:01:25 PM · #57 |
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
(karma goes looking for her plastic lined aluminum) |
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09/09/2009 04:30:08 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
(karma goes looking for her plastic lined aluminum) |
If you are very paranoid, and your paranoia becomes extremely annoying to people around you, and because of your paranoia, everyone hates you... you're cured, you are not paranoid anymore! |
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09/09/2009 04:35:37 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by karmat:
(karma goes looking for her plastic lined aluminum) |
Stories that plastic causes cancer and aluminum leads to Alzheimer's are just media rumors designed to thwart your shielding plans. |
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09/09/2009 04:42:32 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by karmat:
(karma goes looking for her plastic lined aluminum) |
Stories that plastic causes cancer and aluminum leads to Alzheimer's are just media rumors designed to thwart your shielding plans. |
dadjim. |
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09/09/2009 05:09:35 PM · #61 |
| The problem I have with some of these conspiracy theorists on this thread is that they insist their point of view is the correct one without any evidence. If your evidence is that Perry Mason guy and a video on Youtube is enough to convince you that their is a zombie apocalypse occuring then fear has overcome you. I am far from a skeptic tho, I view things from a 3rd party perspective. You could believe in all the E.T's you want, if thats your faith then fine, but a conspiracy with nothing to do with faith, besides fear mongering is not tolerable. Yes, this RFID thing is just a possibility, thats all...theres no proof, it could be just good stories. All the stuff you hear on the radio at night, could drive you nuts if you let it, instead, I'll use all this info to write a story and maybe enter a contest! |
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09/09/2009 05:20:06 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by scalvert:
It's a conspiracy to cover up the conspiracy. They thought of everything. |
I was worried about you scalvert. I knew if you kept hanging out in rant and bantering with the affected you'd soon become infected yourself. What size hat do you wear? I'll send you some protection. |
Great, except they've really thought of everything, including tricking you into wearing that foil headgear, which independent research at MIT has revealed will amplify -- not block -- the governement's radio signals. |
There's an interesting movie coming out soon called "Inception" starring Leo DiCaprio and directed by Chris Nolan. Looks good, about black op intelligence agencies planting and extracting information from people while they sleep. There is a fascinating conspiracy theory leading the agency to believe that there have been people on Earth through the years who receive direct knowledge, people like Tesla, Einstein, or even Moses!. Meditation or shifting the mind's consciousness into Theta and Gamma cycles can allow one to communicate with the Stars...or is it dead people? But if this direct knowledge is real, then its not because of man, but because of nature.
But back to the vaccine thing. They say 90,000 people will die in the Fall. Not alot, its like the common flu yes, but medicine won't work so it will kill some. I guarantee to all the vaccine protestors, that if they get sick or see others get sick around them, they will run to get that flu shot. As long as I see people who have already had the shot still remain human!
Message edited by author 2009-09-09 17:23:45. |
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09/09/2009 10:51:52 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
As long as I see people who have already had the shot still remain human! |
I'll try to remember to check back in on this thread after I get my free strongly encouraged one from work (work in healthcare).
Unfortunately, I suppose if I become a donkey I won't be able to type... so take my absence as a sign.
I'll be getting my "normal" Influenza A vaccine first, then my H1N1 in mid October, and apparently there is a booster for the H1N1 3-4 weeks. |
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09/09/2009 11:09:26 PM · #64 |
| I got my regular flu shot 2 weeks ago. We're taking a cruise to Mexico at the end of October, and i'd really like to get the H1N1 shot early enough for it to do some good, but my pharmacist is saying the earliest it will be available is Oct 15. And then with a booster being needed... i may be SOL. |
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09/09/2009 11:49:06 PM · #65 |
| After reading this thread I am convinced there a lot of people that believe anything they hear. Myself I believe I will have another beer.. |
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09/10/2009 10:57:05 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by alans_world:
After reading this thread I am convinced there a lot of people that believe anything they hear. Myself I believe I will have another beer.. |
While you're at it, throw me one |
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09/11/2009 03:58:45 AM · #67 |
| completely unreal. I haven't delved into rant threads before, only threads that have turned into rants and been moved. I used to find people like this amusing. Now it's too sad and scary to be funny anymore. These are the people who won't get their children vaccinated with the chicken pox vaccine; who say they'll just put them with other children who have it. The problem is, hardly anyone gets chicken pox anymore. Great, they say, then my kid doesn't have to worry about it. That's of, course, until they get older, and contract chicken pox from some other idiots poor child. Oh, but did I mention that the former poor child, who was not vaccinated, is now an adult and pregnant? And her child has been born with severe problems because she had chicken pox while pregnant? Or perhaps the chicken pox has led to something significantly more serious and caused blindness or death? I wonder what that parent thinks of the vaccine now? The sad thing is, they'll find something else on which to blame it. |
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09/11/2009 05:12:39 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
completely unreal. I haven't delved into rant threads before, only threads that have turned into rants and been moved. I used to find people like this amusing. Now it's too sad and scary to be funny anymore. ... |
These are people ruled by their emotions and gut instincts, who are easily manipulated by inducing fear.
I don't think that this will ever change - people must just be encouraged to become informed, be objective and use their heads and logic. Unjustified fear-mongerers must be exposed and held out for what they are.
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09/11/2009 06:31:14 AM · #69 |
Okay....I have a dumb question.
SHOULD I get a swine flu vaccination?
I've been to Mexico this year, and I do work in the public sector as a customer service agent.
I understood that I was basically not at risk, but.....
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09/11/2009 06:57:43 AM · #70 |
Thats not a question you should ask and have others decide for you. It's up to you Jeb. I remember how former president Bush was worried about WMD attacks. Maybe Perry Mason is right, and Dr. Leir too, or maybe they simply want fresh news material for their advertisers. Ya have to know which story to believe. Logic will help by studying all the information available, and gut instinct will also play a role. Now if this flu is something else, as explained on Earthpulse.com or other alternative media sites, then why wouldn't anyone want the vaccine? Regardless of whether the bug is engineered or natural.
Message edited by author 2009-09-11 07:12:03. |
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09/11/2009 07:37:15 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
Thats not a question you should ask and have others decide for you. It's up to you Jeb. |
Well, the safest route (unless you're getting sized for a shiny new hat) is to get one. How prone you are to getting it, is a separate question. Consider the demographic of the people you are exposed to. Are they more or less prone to getting infected? Do you have children? Do you typically get sick this time of year? Is it a problem for you to miss several days of work? Lots of things effect how prone you are to contracting it. Not getting one, no matter how you look at it, is a calculated risk. |
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09/11/2009 11:23:33 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
SHOULD I get a swine flu vaccination? |
My understanding is that the vaccine won't even be available until October. With cases already on the rise for the Fall season, you might not have to ponder that question a month from now. |
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09/11/2009 11:36:12 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
SHOULD I get a swine flu vaccination? |
My understanding is that the vaccine won't even be available until October. With cases already on the rise for the Fall season, you might not have to ponder that question a month from now. |
*packs bags and heads for Maine, ironically, the home of Stephen King.*
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09/11/2009 11:37:10 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
completely unreal. I haven't delved into rant threads before, only threads that have turned into rants and been moved. I used to find people like this amusing. Now it's too sad and scary to be funny anymore. These are the people who won't get their children vaccinated with the chicken pox vaccine; who say they'll just put them with other children who have it. The problem is, hardly anyone gets chicken pox anymore. Great, they say, then my kid doesn't have to worry about it. That's of, course, until they get older, and contract chicken pox from some other idiots poor child. Oh, but did I mention that the former poor child, who was not vaccinated, is now an adult and pregnant? And her child has been born with severe problems because she had chicken pox while pregnant? Or perhaps the chicken pox has led to something significantly more serious and caused blindness or death? I wonder what that parent thinks of the vaccine now? The sad thing is, they'll find something else on which to blame it. |
Double edged sword. We're looking at having more adults have problems in the future because we're vaccinating against a 'disease' that is primarily relatively harmless to begin with, but the convenience and ease of mind that the vaccine brings parents that no longer have to worry about a week or two of fevers and miserableness and scratching and the lessening of cosmetic damage from pox scars is not something that can be easily dismissed.
There is also a solution, it's called going in for the vaccine after a certain age if you haven't been exposed naturally. There are perfectly valid concerns about a chicken pox vaccine, and people that chose not to get their kids vaccinated shouldn't be vilified for that decision.
Tell you the truth, if we, as a society, keep trying too hard to eliminate even the most mundane and non-life-threatening diseases, eventually we're just heading down a dangerous and frightening path. Our bodies will no longer be able to fight off ANYthing. |
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09/11/2009 11:43:01 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Tell you the truth, if we, as a society, keep trying too hard to eliminate even the most mundane and non-life-threatening diseases, eventually we're just heading down a dangerous and frightening path. Our bodies will no longer be able to fight off ANYthing. |
Isn't the whole point of a vaccine to train your body to recognize and fight off a disease? The potential problem only occurs if a disease thought to be eliminated (polio, smallpox...) resurfaces after vaccinations stop. |
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