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09/05/2009 10:09:25 PM · #1 |
I know that this has been suggested before but I think that true photography should come straight from the camera and that heavily editing your picture makes it PSChallenge instead of DPChallenge. I really think that we could see some interesting pictures from this.
Yes I know every picture would have to be validated but I think its worth the sacrifice.
So, rules
The picture must be straight from the camera and validation must be submitted for every picture. The only editing allowed is resize and crop. |
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09/05/2009 10:11:38 PM · #2 |
| Not that it matters, but anyone that thinks 'true' photography is something that is never touched up doesn't have any idea what photography is. |
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09/05/2009 10:17:22 PM · #3 |
| if you think that true photography isnt how good you can make the picture without an editing program, then YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT REAL PHOTOGRAPHY IS, PEOPLE TOOK GOOD PICTURES LONG BEFORE PROGRAMS LIKE PS CAME ALONG |
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09/05/2009 10:21:45 PM · #4 |
| Dodge and burn, push and pull processing etc. all were darkroom tools.... nothing straight from the camera there. Ansel Adams spent weeks in the darkroom perfecting each photo. And a question: many photogs here shoot RAW. How would that work for this challenge since DPC doesn't accept RAW files, and ACR and other converters are editing tools. |
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09/05/2009 10:23:44 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
if you think that true photography isnt how good you can make the picture without an editing program, then YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT REAL PHOTOGRAPHY IS, PEOPLE TOOK GOOD PICTURES LONG BEFORE PROGRAMS LIKE PS CAME ALONG |
They also had these things called 'dark rooms' and other methods of post-manipulation before that. The camera is merely one of many tools that goes into capturing and creating what we, the photographers (ne artists) see in our mind's eye. So it has always been. Photoshop and like programs, are merely continuances of these tools that we've always had. Sometimes, they are over-used, but this also, is as it has always been.
ETA: I'm also not suggesting that it isn't a creative and interesting idea, and it has been done before, if I'm not mistaken. I just take issue with the use of the word 'true' in this context.
Message edited by author 2009-09-05 22:25:43. |
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09/05/2009 10:24:54 PM · #6 |
| These have already been done a few times but it's true that we are due for another minimal editing challenge. |
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09/05/2009 10:25:43 PM · #7 |
If you ever shot print film (not slides) when you took the roll to the lab to be processed they did your colour correcting, exposure correcting for you whether you knew it or not. Only if they were told to print as is would you get an image straight from the camera.
Having said that, there has been a straight from the camera challenge before. Rule was images had to be shot in jpeg, no processing after the fact allowed. Not even rotation so you had to have your auto rotate function turned on in the camera if you wanted to submit a vertical shot.
Wouldn't hurt to run another such challenge.
The best processed images always come from the best source image out of the camera so why not see what the best (albeit jpeg) shot that can be produced from the camera. It means you need to tell the camera how to process the image instead, using the sliders provided.
Message edited by author 2009-09-05 22:29:16. |
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09/05/2009 10:28:05 PM · #8 |
i am just genuinely interested to see how the pictures look when no editing is done, is that too much to ask, lets see how the pictures turn out when you submit just your photo, not a photo that may or may not have been overedited
RAW to JPEG CONVERSION IS ALLOWED, JUST NOTHING ELSE |
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09/05/2009 10:31:14 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
i am just genuinely interested to see how the pictures look when no editing is done, is that too much to ask, lets see how the pictures turn out when you submit just your photo, not a photo that may or may not have been overedited
RAW to JPEG CONVERSION IS ALLOWED, JUST NOTHING ELSE |
Straight From the Camera
I thought it had been done before. There you go :) Not that doing it again is a bad idea at all. Just, uh, pointing out that 'true photography' as you used it is kind of inaccurate :) |
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09/05/2009 10:31:15 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
i am just genuinely interested to see how the pictures look when no editing is done, is that too much to ask, lets see how the pictures turn out when you submit just your photo, not a photo that may or may not have been overedited
RAW to JPEG CONVERSION IS ALLOWED, JUST NOTHING ELSE |
Only if all those who shoot jpeg turn off all in-camera processing. Then we will see what the sensor is really capturing. |
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09/05/2009 10:33:26 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by fldave:
... DPC doesn't accept RAW files, ... |
Actually, you can submit RAW files as originals for validation. Just in case you ever need to know. :-) |
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09/05/2009 10:37:09 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by fldave:
... DPC doesn't accept RAW files, ... |
Actually, you can submit RAW files as originals for validation. Just in case you ever need to know. :-) |
True, and I have submitted them for validation myself... I was referring to RAW files as entries themselves. |
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09/05/2009 10:39:18 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
i am just genuinely interested to see how the pictures look when no editing is done, is that too much to ask, lets see how the pictures turn out when you submit just your photo, not a photo that may or may not have been overedited
RAW to JPEG CONVERSION IS ALLOWED, JUST NOTHING ELSE |
Minimal Editing Challenges on this site so far!!
Minimalism Challenge - April 2005
Minimalism II Challenge - January 2007
Trees Challenge - February 2007
Insects II Challenge - April 2007
Photojournalism III - October 2007
Long Exposure IV - September 2008
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
if you think that true photography isnt how good you can make the picture without an editing program, then YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT REAL PHOTOGRAPHY IS, PEOPLE TOOK GOOD PICTURES LONG BEFORE PROGRAMS LIKE PS CAME ALONG |
I don't see why you feel you need to shout at all of us dumb asses who obviously don't know how to take a photo without relying on past or current dark room processing. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia about Frank Hurley. If you don't know who he is....well google him...he is a lot older than you and I and will prove to you that what we do with photos is nothing new at all.
Frank Hurley
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"James Francis "Frank" Hurley, OBE (15 October 1885 ΓΆ€“ 16 January 1962) was an Australian photographer, film maker and adventurer. He participated in a number of expeditions to Antarctica and served as an official photographer with Australian forces during both world wars."
His artistic style produced many memorable images but he also used staged scenes, composites and photographic manipulation for which he has been criticised on the grounds that it diminished the documentary value of his work.
For the record, I enjoy Minimal Editing Challenges...but I don't need to feel ridiculed over how I take photographs...or in your eyes...Digital Art!!!
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09/05/2009 10:43:57 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by fldave:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by fldave:
... DPC doesn't accept RAW files, ... |
Actually, you can submit RAW files as originals for validation. Just in case you ever need to know. :-) |
True, and I have submitted them for validation myself... I was referring to RAW files as entries themselves. |
Oops! My bad. :-{ |
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09/05/2009 10:45:51 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Judi:
... or in your eyes...Digital Art!!! |
Ummm...where'd he use that term "Digital Art"? |
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09/05/2009 10:48:28 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Judi:
... or in your eyes...Digital Art!!! |
Ummm...where'd he use that term "Digital Art"? |
Okay..he didn't call it that....actually he didn't call it anything...except 'not real photography'...my bad!
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09/05/2009 10:49:11 PM · #17 |
| bottom line: everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as different as they may be. So, anyone interested in a minimal editing challenge? =D |
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09/05/2009 10:50:51 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
bottom line: everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as different as they may be. So, anyone interested in a minimal editing challenge? =D |
Yes they are entitled to their own opinion. And yes, a Minimal Editing Challenge is due.
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09/05/2009 10:57:55 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
if you think that true photography isnt how good you can make the picture without an editing program, then YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT REAL PHOTOGRAPHY IS, PEOPLE TOOK GOOD PICTURES LONG BEFORE PROGRAMS LIKE PS CAME ALONG |
spoken like someone who, if they ever used a film camera, only took the film to the drugstore and defined what they got back as "straight from the camera" (forget about the way the film was developed, choice of printing paper & methods, and the fact that an enlarger is also, basically, another camera used in the process--with its own set of exposure tools and methods).
Ansel Adams wrote books on how to start from a negative (straight from the camera) and treat it as the source of information--expose it not for a straight print, but to have as much information in it as possible to then allow interpretation in the darkroom...
And, "straight from the camera" as you define it--why would you even allow a crop or resizing? And I can dial lots of settings for post exposure processing WITHIN the camera, used to create the jpeg. So if someone sets vivid color, stronger contrast, sharpening, or even b/w conversion in the camera, would you still consider it "straight from camera" ?
But I suspect that we who dare use digital cameras as they were designed--part of a system--just the way film cameras were one step on the way to a finished image, are wasting our breath in this thread. |
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09/05/2009 11:01:56 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
i am just genuinely interested to see how the pictures look when no editing is done... |
Answer: Not great. Digital camera images are designed to be edited. If you shoot in RAW, many of the finishing steps like sharpness and saturation are omitted with the expectation that you'll edit the file during conversion. If you shoot in JPEG, then the camera does the editing for you based on preset user or default parameters. The care put into post-processing is often what separates professional photographers from a novice who presses a button and sends off to WalMart to see the result.
You can just push a microwave button, or you can take the time and effort to bake from scratch. They're both cooking, but the zap-and-present approach is seldom as appealing. |
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09/05/2009 11:07:57 PM · #21 |
| come on guys, this was not meant to turn into a debate, i simply started thinking about it and though, "hey, i wonder what the pictures would look like if no editing was done", i did not post this hoping it would turn into some pointless debate as to whose definition of photography was correct(although i was slightly appalled by the first person's response), i posted this because this is where you post challenge suggestions and this is one that i want to do, simple as that, so lets make it happen |
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09/05/2009 11:10:33 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
come on guys, this was not meant to turn into a debate, i simply started thinking about it and though, "hey, i wonder what the pictures would look like if no editing was done", i did not post this hoping it would turn into some pointless debate as to whose definition of photography was correct(although i was slightly appalled by the first person's response), i posted this because this is where you post challenge suggestions and this is one that i want to do, simple as that, so lets make it happen |
Well, your original posts were not so low key as your latest one... |
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09/05/2009 11:11:15 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
come on guys, this was not meant to turn into a debate, i simply started thinking about it and though, "hey, i wonder what the pictures would look like if no editing was done", i did not post this hoping it would turn into some pointless debate as to whose definition of photography was correct(although i was slightly appalled by the first person's response), i posted this because this is where you post challenge suggestions and this is one that i want to do, simple as that, so lets make it happen |
Go reread the tone of your original post. I'm sorry, but it was confrontational and arrogant. Don't sit back and now profess innocence, please. :) |
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09/05/2009 11:13:03 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
come on guys, this was not meant to turn into a debate, i simply started thinking about it and though, "hey, i wonder what the pictures would look like if no editing was done", i did not post this hoping it would turn into some pointless debate as to whose definition of photography was correct(although i was slightly appalled by the first person's response), i posted this because this is where you post challenge suggestions and this is one that i want to do, simple as that, so lets make it happen |
Go reread the tone of your original post. I'm sorry, but it was confrontational and arrogant. Don't sit back and now profess innocence, please. :) |
That plus the shouting you brought into the thread didn't help!!!!!!!
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09/05/2009 11:17:41 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
come on guys, this was not meant to turn into a debate, i simply started thinking about it and though, "hey, i wonder what the pictures would look like if no editing was done", i did not post this hoping it would turn into some pointless debate as to whose definition of photography was correct(although i was slightly appalled by the first person's response), i posted this because this is where you post challenge suggestions and this is one that i want to do, simple as that, so lets make it happen |
Go reread the tone of your original post. I'm sorry, but it was confrontational and arrogant. Don't sit back and now profess innocence, please. :) |
That plus the shouting you brought into the thread didn't help!!!!!!! |
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT REAL SHOUTING IS! PEOPLE WERE SHOUTING LONG BEFORE CAPS LOCK IN ONLINE FORUMS CAME ALONG!!
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