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08/29/2009 10:54:53 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Their "proprietary" memory format that doesn't work with anything else, .... |
you mean something like lense mount that is "proprietary" of many famous brands and that doesn't work with anything else, ...
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No, because lenses are made by 3rd parties for those mounts.
Show me a 3rd party Memory Stick.
(SanDisk doesn't count because they developed the latest generation of Memory Stick for Sony) |
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08/29/2009 11:04:33 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I just hate Sony as a company. Their "proprietary" memory format that doesn't work with anything else, the proprietary file formats they have for their digital voice recorders that make them all but useless.
You'd think they'd have learned their lesson about having closed formats from the VHS vs. Betamax thing, but nooooooo. Whatever. |
Dang. I didn't mean to get a brand flaming thing going on here, but I guess it's inevitable. :-/
Everyone has different stories and experiences to share for sure. As for me I've had numerous Sony products that I've been happy with and have lasted a long time. A stereo system, an old (very old!) Walkman, a camcorder (two actually - tape and a digital), and a Play Station I (that the kids still use frequently - actually very frequently now that my youngest one has taken it up).
As for camera gear I ended up with a Sony DSLR after owning a couple of Konica-Minolta digital cameras (2004 to 2007). I was very sold on their anti-shake capability (it really works). When KM came out with the 5D DSLR with anti-shake I took a chance with it. Was quite happy overall with the KM 5D, and still use it from time to time. When Sony bought them out I just stayed with the A mount and moved to the Sony A700 DSLR, again I'm very happy with. I've not heard any major complaints on the Sony cameras thus far from others and mine has been fine (knock on wood!).
As for proprietary memory in Sony...the Sony DSLR's anyway have slots for both the Sony Memory stick and either a SD or CF card.
All of the above said, when it came time to pick up another P&S camera I recently purchased a Panasonic Lumix Z35. Looked at some Sony's, but didn't see what I needed. Point being made is while I like Sony I'm not a brand die-hard that HAS to have that particular brand. If they have what I'm looking for, when I need it, then I'll buy it - whatever brand it is.
Canon, Nikon, Pentax, etc...all make reliable products.
I started this thread to mention the nice price point of the new Sony A850 FF DSLR. |
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08/29/2009 11:31:11 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I just hate Sony as a company. Their "proprietary" memory format that doesn't work with anything else, the proprietary file formats they have for their digital voice recorders that make them all but useless.
You'd think they'd have learned their lesson about having closed formats from the VHS vs. Betamax thing, but nooooooo. Whatever. |
Dang. I didn't mean to get a brand flaming thing going on here, but I guess it's inevitable. :-/
Everyone has different stories and experiences to share for sure. As for me I've had numerous Sony products that I've been happy with and have lasted a long time. A stereo system, an old (very old!) Walkman, a camcorder (two actually - tape and a digital), and a Play Station I (that the kids still use frequently - actually very frequently now that my youngest one has taken it up).
As for camera gear I ended up with a Sony DSLR after owning a couple of Konica-Minolta digital cameras (2004 to 2007). I was very sold on their anti-shake capability (it really works). When KM came out with the 5D DSLR with anti-shake I took a chance with it. Was quite happy overall with the KM 5D, and still use it from time to time. When Sony bought them out I just stayed with the A mount and moved to the Sony A700 DSLR, again I'm very happy with. I've not heard any major complaints on the Sony cameras thus far from others and mine has been fine (knock on wood!).
As for proprietary memory in Sony...the Sony DSLR's anyway have slots for both the Sony Memory stick and either a SD or CF card.
All of the above said, when it came time to pick up another P&S camera I recently purchased a Panasonic Lumix Z35. Looked at some Sony's, but didn't see what I needed. Point being made is while I like Sony I'm not a brand die-hard that HAS to have that particular brand. If they have what I'm looking for, when I need it, then I'll buy it - whatever brand it is.
Canon, Nikon, Pentax, etc...all make reliable products.
I started this thread to mention the nice price point of the new Sony A850 FF DSLR. |
It's not a brand flaming thing, it's just my experience with Sony products and Sony as a company.
I hope they can drive the price point of full-frame DSLR's from other manufacturers down to the sub-$2000 region, but I'm not buying a Sony anytime soon.
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08/29/2009 12:40:44 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
[quote=glad2badad] [quote=Spazmo99]
I hope they can drive the price point of full-frame DSLR's from other manufacturers down to the sub-$2000 region, but I'm not buying a Sony anytime soon. |
Thats how I see this too. Im already married to Canon for the forseeable future. I would like to move up to full frame. Clearly the introduction of a camera that is in the league of the D700/5DII for $700 less is going to put downward pressure on pricing now and in the future by C&N, which is good for me. This is not a gimmick bein introduced by Sigma or a fringe brand. Sony is slowly getting in the game with lenses as well and most importantly have the resources to stay in the game from an engineering standpoint.
Let the pricewar begin |
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08/29/2009 05:40:52 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Their "proprietary" memory format that doesn't work with anything else, .... |
you mean something like lense mount that is "proprietary" of many famous brands and that doesn't work with anything else, ...
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No, because lenses are made by 3rd parties for those mounts.
Show me a 3rd party Memory Stick.
(SanDisk doesn't count because they developed the latest generation of Memory Stick for Sony) |
Are lense mounts "proprietary" or not. If they are then QED. I do not have to show anything.
As a sony user i know that their at least 90% of SLRs give two memory slots one for memory stick one for CF.
what you are saying could be an issue if there was only one slot. Extra slot is very helpful.
By the way never had any problems with sony sticks, card reader do read them.
You said you dislike a brand, this is subjective and thus may not require any reason. Good luck hating sony, does not seem to affect them, they are giant as they were.
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08/29/2009 06:36:17 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Their "proprietary" memory format that doesn't work with anything else, .... |
you mean something like lense mount that is "proprietary" of many famous brands and that doesn't work with anything else, ...
:-D |
No, because lenses are made by 3rd parties for those mounts.
Show me a 3rd party Memory Stick.
(SanDisk doesn't count because they developed the latest generation of Memory Stick for Sony) |
Are lense mounts "proprietary" or not. If they are then QED. I do not have to show anything.
As a sony user i know that their at least 90% of SLRs give two memory slots one for memory stick one for CF.
what you are saying could be an issue if there was only one slot. Extra slot is very helpful.
By the way never had any problems with sony sticks, card reader do read them.
You said you dislike a brand, this is subjective and thus may not require any reason. Good luck hating sony, does not seem to affect them, they are giant as they were. |
You can't show me a third party Memory stick because Sony won't license the technology to 3rd parties in order to keep their customers captive and actively prevents 3rd parties from reverse engineering them. Lens manufacturers are free to reverse engineer their products to fit different brand cameras. If that's OK with you, have fun. I prefer to have more choice. My DSLR has two slots as well, but neither of them is proprietary.
I dislike the way Sony operates as a business and the way they treat their customers. If you like being spit on by the companies whose products you buy, that's great for you, enjoy the saliva shower. I'll take my business elsewhere. I could care less if Sony succeeds or fails, it's irrelevant to me as I won't buy their products.
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08/29/2009 06:58:48 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
You can't show me a third party Memory stick because Sony won't license the technology to 3rd parties in order to keep their customers captive and actively prevents 3rd parties from reverse engineering them.
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So whats your point. Is this somehow affect their working or something. Even if third party made them you still pay to buy. Sony made just fine no problems. No failures so far.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Lens manufacturers are free to reverse engineer their products to fit different brand cameras. If that's OK with you, have fun. I prefer to have more choice. My DSLR has two slots as well, but neither of them is proprietary.
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i am under impression that lense mount is something that is attached to camera.
You can not show me third party canon camera, could you.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I dislike the way Sony operates as a business and the way they treat their customers. If you like being spit on by the companies whose products you buy, that's great for you, enjoy the saliva shower. I'll take my business elsewhere. I could care less if Sony succeeds or fails, it's irrelevant to me as I won't buy their products. |
Well sony or any company is not in business of pleasing you. They do what works for them not what work for you.
In tow three years of taking over minolta, they are doing damn good.
And by the way, there are countless number of threads related to canon 5d mk2 problems, black-dot, white dots, banding, wheater failure etc etc. But i do nto seem to see such threads for a900. It seems sony is making more reliable products than canon. Not bad for 3 year old camera company.
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08/29/2009 07:25:05 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
You can't show me a third party Memory stick because Sony won't license the technology to 3rd parties in order to keep their customers captive and actively prevents 3rd parties from reverse engineering them.
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So whats your point. Is this somehow affect their working or something. Even if third party made them you still pay to buy. Sony made just fine no problems. No failures so far.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Lens manufacturers are free to reverse engineer their products to fit different brand cameras. If that's OK with you, have fun. I prefer to have more choice. My DSLR has two slots as well, but neither of them is proprietary.
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i am under impression that lense mount is something that is attached to camera.
You can not show me third party canon camera, could you.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I dislike the way Sony operates as a business and the way they treat their customers. If you like being spit on by the companies whose products you buy, that's great for you, enjoy the saliva shower. I'll take my business elsewhere. I could care less if Sony succeeds or fails, it's irrelevant to me as I won't buy their products. |
Well sony or any company is not in business of pleasing you. They do what works for them not what work for you.
In tow three years of taking over minolta, they are doing damn good.
And by the way, there are countless number of threads related to canon 5d mk2 problems, black-dot, white dots, banding, wheater failure etc etc. But i do nto seem to see such threads for a900. It seems sony is making more reliable products than canon. Not bad for 3 year old camera company. |
Some time ago, Kodak licensed Canon's EF lens mount to make the Kodak SLR/c, if that's not a 3rd party Canon mount camera, what is?
If Sony's not in the business of pleasing their customers and luring new ones, what are they in the business of doing? Pissing everyone off?
Sony also hasn't sold nearly as many cameras as Canon or Nikon and consequently there are going to be far fewer threads about problems...duh.
The point is that by being the only manufacturer of memory, they can charge whatever they want and in fact, when their cameras would ONLY accept Memory Sticks, the Sony memory typically was priced at twice the cost of the equivalent CF card.
You're quite the Sony fanboy. Do you have the official cheerleader uniform and pom poms yet?
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08/30/2009 06:08:22 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Some time ago, Kodak licensed Canon's EF lens mount to make the Kodak SLR/c, if that's not a 3rd party Canon mount camera, what is?
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Yes, but they licenced, canon did not do any charity and allow them freely. Whole point is all companies have things those are proprietary. But it seem according to you sony is evil because they have memory as proprietary.
They want to sell rights or not is upto them, its not that since spazmo hates it they should sell rights. It is small thing but difficult to understand.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
If Sony's not in the business of pleasing their customers and luring new ones, what are they in the business of doing? Pissing everyone off?
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Sony users are quite pleased with their products. I for one very happy, have no problems for years of sony products.
It seems its the non-users like you who have all the issues. I do not think any one can convince people who buy cameras based on how their playstation was. Good luck buying things like that.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Sony also hasn't sold nearly as many cameras as Canon or Nikon and consequently there are going to be far fewer threads about problems...duh.
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Duh, white dot issues, AF problems, low iso banding issues are not issue like failure in rain. They are issues regardless how many cameras are sold. Why did canon issue a firmware update for white dots then.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The point is that by being the only manufacturer of memory, they can charge whatever they want and in fact, when their cameras would ONLY accept Memory Sticks, the Sony memory typically was priced at twice the cost of the equivalent CF card.
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If that is the issue with you do not buy them it is simple they also give you CF cards. I do not understand why you still crying about it. It is told to you that they provide two slots.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
You're quite the Sony fanboy. Do you have the official cheerleader uniform and pom poms yet? |
Yepp, i knew this is coming, but sorry i have pentax slr. I buy what is best for me, and i do not base my decision of camera buying on my experience of play-station, musicplayer or dishwasher etc etc.
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08/30/2009 08:11:02 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Some time ago, Kodak licensed Canon's EF lens mount to make the Kodak SLR/c, if that's not a 3rd party Canon mount camera, what is?
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Yes, but they licenced, canon did not do any charity and allow them freely. Whole point is all companies have things those are proprietary. But it seem according to you sony is evil because they have memory as proprietary.
They want to sell rights or not is upto them, its not that since spazmo hates it they should sell rights. It is small thing but difficult to understand.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
If Sony's not in the business of pleasing their customers and luring new ones, what are they in the business of doing? Pissing everyone off?
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Sony users are quite pleased with their products. I for one very happy, have no problems for years of sony products.
It seems its the non-users like you who have all the issues. I do not think any one can convince people who buy cameras based on how their playstation was. Good luck buying things like that.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Sony also hasn't sold nearly as many cameras as Canon or Nikon and consequently there are going to be far fewer threads about problems...duh.
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Duh, white dot issues, AF problems, low iso banding issues are not issue like failure in rain. They are issues regardless how many cameras are sold. Why did canon issue a firmware update for white dots then.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The point is that by being the only manufacturer of memory, they can charge whatever they want and in fact, when their cameras would ONLY accept Memory Sticks, the Sony memory typically was priced at twice the cost of the equivalent CF card.
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If that is the issue with you do not buy them it is simple they also give you CF cards. I do not understand why you still crying about it. It is told to you that they provide two slots.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
You're quite the Sony fanboy. Do you have the official cheerleader uniform and pom poms yet? |
Yepp, i knew this is coming, but sorry i have pentax slr. I buy what is best for me, and i do not base my decision of camera buying on my experience of play-station, musicplayer or dishwasher etc etc. |
Like I said before, I don't give a rip what Sony does. I don't like them as a company, so I'm not buying their products...any of them. I've explained why and evidently, that irritates you to no end.
I also don't care what you buy nor what anyone else buys. You are evidently auditioning for a role as Sony spokesperson or somehow view my negative image of Sony as a threat of some sort...whatever. Buy Sony, buy Pentax, build your own camera out of spare parts for all I care. |
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08/30/2009 10:20:04 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Like I said before, I don't give a rip what Sony does. I don't like them as a company, so I'm not buying their products...any of them. I've explained why and evidently, that irritates you to no end.
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I have already acknowledged that its subjective thing to like or dislike.
You put your point of view and experience so did I. You were the one calling me fanboy because i do not agree with your point of view. I am sorry i had good experience with a company you hate.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I also don't care what you buy nor what anyone else buys. You are evidently auditioning for a role as Sony spokesperson or somehow view my negative image of Sony as a threat of some sort...whatever. Buy Sony, buy Pentax, build your own camera out of spare parts for all I care. |
I am not sony spokeperson, but things like NR is applied etc are misleading. I saw it and injected information that is correct. Someone did base buying decision on false information he or she imbibed from somewhere.
Happy hating sony though. Goodbye. :-D
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08/30/2009 10:39:12 PM · #37 |
Matt,
You really can't compare price between the Canon 300mm lens and the Olympus 300mm lens. They are different beasts, with different fields-of-view and different 35mm equivalent focal lengths. A comparable equivalent in focal range, FOV, and image quality to the Canon 300mm lens would be the Oly 150mm lens. It is $2000 cheaper that the Canon. The Oly lens doesn't have IS, but it doesn't need to as all current Olympus 4/3rds bodies have IS built in.
The Canon equivalent to the Olympus 300mm lens would be the Canon EF 600mm lens and that sells for $7,500. The Oly is again cheaper by $1300. It's very hard to compare lenses from different manufacturers and I'm not really trying to, but it's wrong to say the Canon is 2/3rds the price of the Oly. I hope this dispels the myth that Oly lenses are more expensive than their competitors', they are not.
Jeff
Originally posted by MattO:
With Canon the 300 F2.8 is my go to lens, I shoot sports and its almost always with me and mounted sometimes with a 1.4 TC. The Sony lens in that range is over $6k same as the Olympus at the time I was shooting Olympus and went to Canon, Canon is 2/3 of the cost new and includes IS which the others don't. I bought mines used for less then $3500. I'm not really sure how anyone can say this camera is better then that camera without real world time behind the controls. A simple review won't tell the real story only time in the field will.
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08/30/2009 10:58:04 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Matt,
You really can't compare price between the Canon 300mm lens and the Olympus 300mm lens. They are different beasts, with different fields-of-view and different 35mm equivalent focal lengths. A comparable equivalent in focal range, FOV, and image quality to the Canon 300mm lens would be the Oly 150mm lens. It is $2000 cheaper that the Canon. The Oly lens doesn't have IS, but it doesn't need to as all current Olympus 4/3rds bodies have IS built in.
The Canon equivalent to the Olympus 300mm lens would be the Canon EF 600mm lens and that sells for $7,500. The Oly is again cheaper by $1300. It's very hard to compare lenses from different manufacturers and I'm not really trying to, but it's wrong to say the Canon is 2/3rds the price of the Oly. I hope this dispels the myth that Oly lenses are more expensive than their competitors', they are not.
Jeff
Originally posted by MattO:
With Canon the 300 F2.8 is my go to lens, I shoot sports and its almost always with me and mounted sometimes with a 1.4 TC. The Sony lens in that range is over $6k same as the Olympus at the time I was shooting Olympus and went to Canon, Canon is 2/3 of the cost new and includes IS which the others don't. I bought mines used for less then $3500. I'm not really sure how anyone can say this camera is better then that camera without real world time behind the controls. A simple review won't tell the real story only time in the field will.
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I think you are confusing yourself. A 300MM lens is a 300MM lens. I don't care what crippling effect your camera has on the lens. Perhaps you don't understand that, or perhaps you don't care too. But a 300MM lens is a 300MM lens on my camera, your camera or a nikon camera. What you can see through the lens isn't important. There is no myth, the Olympus 300MM lens is over $6k. Just like the Sony lens is. Perhaps you are confused by Field of view and camera crop. But trust me when I tell you a 300MM lens is a 300MM lens.
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08/31/2009 12:02:16 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Like I said before, I don't give a rip what Sony does. I don't like them as a company, so I'm not buying their products...any of them. I've explained why and evidently, that irritates you to no end.
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I have already acknowledged that its subjective thing to like or dislike.
You put your point of view and experience so did I. You were the one calling me fanboy because i do not agree with your point of view. I am sorry i had good experience with a company you hate.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I also don't care what you buy nor what anyone else buys. You are evidently auditioning for a role as Sony spokesperson or somehow view my negative image of Sony as a threat of some sort...whatever. Buy Sony, buy Pentax, build your own camera out of spare parts for all I care. |
I am not sony spokeperson, but things like NR is applied etc are misleading. I saw it and injected information that is correct. Someone did base buying decision on false information he or she imbibed from somewhere.
Happy hating sony though. Goodbye. :-D |
When did I say anything about Sony's NR?
For one who's not a Sony spokesperson, you sure are quick to jump into the fray over a camera which you yourself don't own and vigorously defend Sony as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I beg to differ. Maybe you should look for a forum where everyone agrees that Sony is the full on shiz and read that. Your stress level will go way down. |
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08/31/2009 12:03:21 AM · #40 |
Sony is evil! For the following reasons:
- they have added hacktool rootkit spyware to some of their software delivery - software they in fact pirated in order to monitor other folks potential pirating. Very naughty.
- their proprietry music tool SonicStage when installed on a pc with pre-existing sony atrac codec music files (also proprietry) locked all the music for use. And reuse to unlock under ant conditions - maintaining that if the music was legal (which it was) we could re-rip. At how many hours? And how when you are an expat with original Cds in storage?
- continuing to treat customers as resources.
They can keep their business, because they won't be getting any from me.
Re. the Mac/PC debate. I think Mac is guilty of the same, but with better PR.
Re. the Canon/Nikon debate. Can't fault Nikon - just Canon were the best choice for me and now I have a stash of their glass. |
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08/31/2009 12:18:34 AM · #41 |
Lenses have different characteristics on different formats. If I was shooting 35mm full frame on Canon and needed a 300mm lens I would acquire a 300mm lens. If I was shooting EF-S or DX I would get around a 200mm lens to get the same focal length and FOV coverage. Shooting with Olympus I would get a 150mm lens. As far as I know, a 300mm is a 300mm when it comes to DOF but not when it comes to focal length or FOV on different formats and most people will purchase their lenses based on the focal length they need for a given shooting situation. Would you mind explaining what you mean by "crippling effect." I think I understand the terms field of view and camera crop. The latter does not happen in an Olympus 4/3rds camera.
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Matt,
You really can't compare price between the Canon 300mm lens and the Olympus 300mm lens. They are different beasts, with different fields-of-view and different 35mm equivalent focal lengths. A comparable equivalent in focal range, FOV, and image quality to the Canon 300mm lens would be the Oly 150mm lens. It is $2000 cheaper that the Canon. The Oly lens doesn't have IS, but it doesn't need to as all current Olympus 4/3rds bodies have IS built in.
The Canon equivalent to the Olympus 300mm lens would be the Canon EF 600mm lens and that sells for $7,500. The Oly is again cheaper by $1300. It's very hard to compare lenses from different manufacturers and I'm not really trying to, but it's wrong to say the Canon is 2/3rds the price of the Oly. I hope this dispels the myth that Oly lenses are more expensive than their competitors', they are not.
Jeff
Originally posted by MattO:
With Canon the 300 F2.8 is my go to lens, I shoot sports and its almost always with me and mounted sometimes with a 1.4 TC. The Sony lens in that range is over $6k same as the Olympus at the time I was shooting Olympus and went to Canon, Canon is 2/3 of the cost new and includes IS which the others don't. I bought mines used for less then $3500. I'm not really sure how anyone can say this camera is better then that camera without real world time behind the controls. A simple review won't tell the real story only time in the field will.
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I think you are confusing yourself. A 300MM lens is a 300MM lens. I don't care what crippling effect your camera has on the lens. Perhaps you don't understand that, or perhaps you don't care too. But a 300MM lens is a 300MM lens on my camera, your camera or a nikon camera. What you can see through the lens isn't important. There is no myth, the Olympus 300MM lens is over $6k. Just like the Sony lens is. Perhaps you are confused by Field of view and camera crop. But trust me when I tell you a 300MM lens is a 300MM lens.
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08/31/2009 12:33:47 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Lenses have different characteristics on different formats. If I was shooting 35mm full frame on Canon and needed a 300mm lens I would acquire a 300mm lens. If I was shooting EF-S or DX I would get around a 200mm lens to get the same focal length and FOV coverage. Shooting with Olympus I would get a 150mm lens. As far as I know, a 300mm is a 300mm when it comes to DOF but not when it comes to focal length or FOV on different formats and most people will purchase their lenses based on the focal length they need for a given shooting situation. Would you mind explaining what you mean by "crippling effect." I think I understand the terms field of view and camera crop. The latter does not happen in an Olympus 4/3rds camera.
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I shot with an E300 and an E-1. Both with Olympus Zuiko lens and with OM lens. Camera cropping does happen in the Olympus 4/3rds cameras. They multiply the 35MM range of the lens x 2. The 7-14 lens is a 14-28 equiv in 35MM. The 55-200 is 110-400 in 35MM. The only difference is Olympus doesn't put the full amount of glass in the rear of the lens. They "optimize" it for the smaller sensor.
The crippling effect I'm referring to is the effect that crop cameras have on the lens attached to them. Same with my 1DMKIII camera it makes my 300MM lens appear to be longer, but in reality I'm just using less of the original lens because of the smaller sensor.
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08/31/2009 01:33:51 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by MattO:
What you can see through the lens isn't important. |
Lucky photography isn't a visual art then. Oooops...it is!
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08/31/2009 03:01:44 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Like I said before, I don't give a rip what Sony does. I don't like them as a company, so I'm not buying their products...any of them. I've explained why and evidently, that irritates you to no end.
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I have already acknowledged that its subjective thing to like or dislike.
You put your point of view and experience so did I. You were the one calling me fanboy because i do not agree with your point of view. I am sorry i had good experience with a company you hate.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I also don't care what you buy nor what anyone else buys. You are evidently auditioning for a role as Sony spokesperson or somehow view my negative image of Sony as a threat of some sort...whatever. Buy Sony, buy Pentax, build your own camera out of spare parts for all I care. |
I am not sony spokeperson, but things like NR is applied etc are misleading. I saw it and injected information that is correct. Someone did base buying decision on false information he or she imbibed from somewhere.
Happy hating sony though. Goodbye. :-D |
When did I say anything about Sony's NR?
For one who's not a Sony spokesperson, you sure are quick to jump into the fray over a camera which you yourself don't own and vigorously defend Sony as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I beg to differ. Maybe you should look for a forum where everyone agrees that Sony is the full on shiz and read that. Your stress level will go way down. |
I am sorry if I sounded as if I was defending sony. All I was doing is telling you how hypocrite-like was your view when you wrote this.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I just hate Sony as a company. Their "proprietary" memory format that doesn't work with anything else, the proprietary file formats they have for their digital voice recorders that make them all but useless.
You'd think they'd have learned their lesson about having closed formats from the VHS vs. Betamax thing, but nooooooo. Whatever. |
I told you that all companies have something "proprietary" and gave you lense-mount as an example. Further I did tell you that companies are there to make money and not for charity. Sony is not alone and i personally find it normal for companies to do things that generate them profits.
Yes, you sounded hypocrite when you said you hate one company for something "proprietary" and then you list in you equipment another company that also has something "proprietary" .
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08/31/2009 03:05:39 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by PaulE:
Sony is evil! For the following reasons:
- they have added hacktool rootkit spyware to some of their software delivery - software they in fact pirated in order to monitor other folks potential pirating. Very naughty.
- their proprietry music tool SonicStage when installed on a pc with pre-existing sony atrac codec music files (also proprietry) locked all the music for use. And reuse to unlock under ant conditions - maintaining that if the music was legal (which it was) we could re-rip. At how many hours? And how when you are an expat with original Cds in storage?
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PaulE these are some understandable reason to hate a company. But laughable is statements like my playstation failed thus their cameras are useless. I just do not understand how one can extrapolate how camera will behave based on experience with play-station.
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08/31/2009 11:25:28 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by PaulE:
Sony is evil! For the following reasons:
- they have added hacktool rootkit spyware to some of their software delivery - software they in fact pirated in order to monitor other folks potential pirating. Very naughty.
- their proprietry music tool SonicStage when installed on a pc with pre-existing sony atrac codec music files (also proprietry) locked all the music for use. And reuse to unlock under ant conditions - maintaining that if the music was legal (which it was) we could re-rip. At how many hours? And how when you are an expat with original Cds in storage?
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PaulE these are some understandable reason to hate a company. But laughable is statements like my playstation failed thus their cameras are useless. I just do not understand how one can extrapolate how camera will behave based on experience with play-station. |
Because the two products are made by the same company.
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08/31/2009 11:28:39 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Like I said before, I don't give a rip what Sony does. I don't like them as a company, so I'm not buying their products...any of them. I've explained why and evidently, that irritates you to no end.
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I have already acknowledged that its subjective thing to like or dislike.
You put your point of view and experience so did I. You were the one calling me fanboy because i do not agree with your point of view. I am sorry i had good experience with a company you hate.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I also don't care what you buy nor what anyone else buys. You are evidently auditioning for a role as Sony spokesperson or somehow view my negative image of Sony as a threat of some sort...whatever. Buy Sony, buy Pentax, build your own camera out of spare parts for all I care. |
I am not sony spokeperson, but things like NR is applied etc are misleading. I saw it and injected information that is correct. Someone did base buying decision on false information he or she imbibed from somewhere.
Happy hating sony though. Goodbye. :-D |
When did I say anything about Sony's NR?
For one who's not a Sony spokesperson, you sure are quick to jump into the fray over a camera which you yourself don't own and vigorously defend Sony as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I beg to differ. Maybe you should look for a forum where everyone agrees that Sony is the full on shiz and read that. Your stress level will go way down. |
I am sorry if I sounded as if I was defending sony. All I was doing is telling you how hypocrite-like was your view when you wrote this.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I just hate Sony as a company. Their "proprietary" memory format that doesn't work with anything else, the proprietary file formats they have for their digital voice recorders that make them all but useless.
You'd think they'd have learned their lesson about having closed formats from the VHS vs. Betamax thing, but nooooooo. Whatever. |
I told you that all companies have something "proprietary" and gave you lense-mount as an example. Further I did tell you that companies are there to make money and not for charity. Sony is not alone and i personally find it normal for companies to do things that generate them profits.
Yes, you sounded hypocrite when you said you hate one company for something "proprietary" and then you list in you equipment another company that also has something "proprietary" . |
I can hate a company for any reason I damn well please. If Sony is unwilling to take the same steps as other camera makers to make their products easy to use, how is that a good thing for the customer? |
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08/31/2009 11:51:02 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by JH:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
DPC is fairly tame in that regard, thank goodness. :-) |
Nah, here we have an ongoing Mac versus PC battle to distract us instead. |
That's only because those Mac dorks don't know when they've been beaten. X-D |
So true!! LOL!
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08/31/2009 12:13:13 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
Originally posted by MattO:
What you can see through the lens isn't important. |
Lucky photography isn't a visual art then. Oooops...it is!
bazz. |
I was referring to his reference that a 300MM lens for canon is equiv. to a 150MM lens in Oly. When in reality a 300MM lens is just that and a 150MM lens is just that.
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08/31/2009 12:34:00 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
... If Sony is unwilling to take the same steps as other camera makers to make their products easy to use, how is that a good thing for the customer? |
I'm not sure how this point is valid when talking about Sony DSLR's. ???
They will use CF (my A700 does) or SD cards (A850 & A900). I'm not sure about the various other DLSR's available (3xx & 5xx series).
Third party software vendors work with Sony also (PSP X2, SilkyPix, ACDSee Pro, etc...) all recognize Sony RAW file formats. |
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