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05/19/2004 10:11:26 AM · #1 |
hi y'all. thanks for your replies on the A80. i understand the camera needs to have a good aperture range and large sensor to get good non macro depth of field effect
can somebody suggest some 300$-400$ range digital cameras(besides olympus 750) which will let me get a good shallow DOF (not macro)? |
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05/19/2004 11:11:33 AM · #2 |
| Look into the Olympus C-4040Z. It has a f1.8 lens. No longer in production but available on Ebay as "factory reconditioned" from olympusamerica, and used from other sellers. Usually goes for around $300. The Oly C-5050Z has the same lens, with it's f1.8 to f 10 aperture range, but might go outside your price range. |
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05/19/2004 11:17:06 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by anshu22:
hi y'all. thanks for your replies on the A80. i understand the camera needs to have a good aperture range and large sensor to get good non macro depth of field effect
can somebody suggest some 300$-400$ range digital cameras(besides olympus 750) which will let me get a good shallow DOF (not macro)? |
Look for cameras with a long zoom. You will generally be able to get more shallow depths of field at longer focal lengths with a wide aperture. |
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05/19/2004 11:28:46 AM · #4 |
| Canon Powershot S1 IS for $422 shipped from DBuys.com (slightly more at Amazon). Though it's only 3.2 megapixels, this is a new model from Canon with an image-stabilized f/2.8-3.1, 38-380 (equivalent) zoom lens that will also focus down to 3.9 inches. Lots of high-end features including one of the best movie modes on any digital camera. There's a full review here. |
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05/19/2004 01:37:40 PM · #5 |
Sony F717 has a 38-190 mm zoom and a wide maximum aperture, F2 at wide angle and F2.4 at tele. Should be reasonably priced if still available, now with the F828 available.
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05/19/2004 01:45:14 PM · #6 |
There is some good information on depth of field here. It's a little confusing at the begining, but in the middle there is a couple of paragraphs about DOF, focal lenght, and sensor size.
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05/19/2004 03:42:37 PM · #7 |
| I swear by my camera, which allows me to get very shallow dof when using the zoom. The lens is ultra-sharp (Leica), so is usable right up to 440mm. Image stabilisation helps keep things sharp. It looks much nicer than the Canon S1, and is a much better bit of kit IMO. A burst mode of about 4 shots a second helps as well. Colour reproduction is excellent. The price is outrageously cheap bearing in mind the results this camera produces. People are just snobs about the Panasonic brand which is a shame on this excellent camera. |
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05/19/2004 04:36:58 PM · #8 |
| Ordinarily, I'd agree with Bobster, but you did specify a range of $300-400. That Panasonic goes for about $550. The Canon is at least in the ballpark. Obviously, the more money you throw at the problem, the more options you'll have. |
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05/19/2004 04:42:30 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I swear by my camera, which allows me to get very shallow dof when using the zoom. The lens is ultra-sharp (Leica), so is usable right up to 440mm. Image stabilisation helps keep things sharp. It looks much nicer than the Canon S1, and is a much better bit of kit IMO. A burst mode of about 4 shots a second helps as well. Colour reproduction is excellent. The price is outrageously cheap bearing in mind the results this camera produces. People are just snobs about the Panasonic brand which is a shame on this excellent camera. |
How you get shallow DOF on large subject (person) with 5 mm Panasonic sensor ? You need F 1.0 to do that !
We discussed this here yesterday !
Message edited by author 2004-05-19 16:50:12. |
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05/19/2004 04:57:55 PM · #10 |
what's wrong with che c-750? It's max. aperature of 2.8 gives a very shalow DOF, especially at 10x zoom. If you really have a problem with the 750, you could go for the minolta dimage Z1 or Z2 (3 and 4 mp respectively)
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05/19/2004 05:33:56 PM · #11 |
| The 750 has no Image Stabilisation... now that other cameras have similar spec with IS, I see no reason to take advantage of this feature... especially with a long zoom that amplifies camera shake. |
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05/19/2004 05:35:57 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I swear by my camera, which allows me to get very shallow dof when using the zoom. The lens is ultra-sharp (Leica), so is usable right up to 440mm. Image stabilisation helps keep things sharp. It looks much nicer than the Canon S1, and is a much better bit of kit IMO. A burst mode of about 4 shots a second helps as well. Colour reproduction is excellent. The price is outrageously cheap bearing in mind the results this camera produces. People are just snobs about the Panasonic brand which is a shame on this excellent camera. |
How you get shallow DOF on large subject (person) with 5 mm Panasonic sensor ? You need F 1.0 to do that !
We discussed this here yesterday ! |
I think you've missed something.
Even with a smaller sensor, dof is reduced if using a high focal length. So a large zoom on a smaller sensor camera allows you to have shallow dof. If I want shallow dof, I back away from my subject, activate the zoom, and the dof shoots down. |
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05/19/2004 05:41:57 PM · #13 |
The negative aspect of using a long zoom to get shallow dof is the compressed perspective and limited angle of view that accompanies it. Sure, it can be useful, but it isn't something you can use in every situation.
A large sensor and a fast lens would be the most useful aspects (Sony F717 bargain prices at the moment). That way you can get shallow dof at moderate zoom instead of extreme tele like 300+mm (35mm eqv).
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05/19/2004 06:08:08 PM · #14 |
| Does an F717 have a larger sensor? I was unaware of that. Of course, in many situations I would rather have a DSLR and tons of lenses instead of my FZ10, but given the price difference I'm pretty chuffed with what I have. |
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05/19/2004 06:31:24 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Does an F717 have a larger sensor? I was unaware of that. |
The F717 has a 2/3" sensor, the sensor diagonal is 11mm (0,4331 inch).
The FZ10 has a 1/2.5" sensor, the sensor diagonal is roughly 7mm (0,2756 inch).
The F717 2/3" sensor is 1.57x larger as the one in the FZ10, but nowhere near the size of the one in the 300D/10D/D70.
The 300D/10D has a APS-C sensor, the sensor diagonal is roughly 30mm (1.1811 inch).
Full frame / 35mm has a diagonal of 43.3mm (1,7047 inch).
The Canon S1 IS = 1/2.7" (6.6mm) and the A80 = 1/1.8" (9mm), the one in the A70 and A60 are also 1/2.7" .
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