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07/07/2009 11:40:22 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by moriadelacroix:
Monica - Jason finds the use of J.C.'s name in vain offensive - so let's be respectful and refrain from using that.
But in turn, Jason, Monica found the use of the phrase "Grow Up" offensive, so in turn let's be respectful and refrain from using that.
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I can appreciate the mediator. Monica, I'm sorry for telling you to "grow up". It probably just means I'm getting old. |
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07/07/2009 11:42:18 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by SJCarter:
Just referencing the original topic... (There's some good, calm, reasonable, discussion going on here from both sides of the issue - that's nice for a change.) |
Probably because I'm unclear that anybody on the thread is actually against the UAFA... :) |
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07/07/2009 11:42:27 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by moriadelacroix:
I think we all should try to be respectful of one another. We are all in the same community here - all with a common interest. We will all have differing opinions on a variety of subjects, but we do not need to try to intentionally rub anything in anyone's face.
Monica - Jason finds the use of J.C.'s name in vain offensive - so let's be respectful and refrain from using that.
But in turn, Jason, Monica found the use of the phrase "Grow Up" offensive, so in turn let's be respectful and refrain from using that.
Sorry - I am not very good a mediating, but you get my drift!
For the love of photography - let's try to get along :P |
I do not disagree with that sentiment at all. I'm just very touchy because we have been over the age issue, among other personal "nicely put" insults about my beliefs, world view, etc, in a couple other threads. After being put through the ringer of personal offenses so many times it comes off as a bit brazen to ask me to not use a word I threw out without any specific intent of offense towards someone.
ETA: I will attempt to adhere to this in any case.
Message edited by author 2009-07-07 23:44:08. |
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07/07/2009 11:43:18 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
First of all, let it be known that I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was trying to explain why the Church is against Gay marriages. I painted a little scenerio in my last post to explain why; probably a bad scenerio, but the Church's point is that in an old world, where there are far less than 6 billion people in the world, homosexuality doesn't lead to creation and expansion of a species and increases chances of extinction. This is why they consider marriage intrinsical.
My meaning of the word marriage was taken from the Catholic view as well. Marriage is one of the sacraments. and according to the Church, it is a biological union of two bodies, and two souls as well. DNA transfer for creation required for the offspring. According to them, Marriage is actually Impossible between Gays. It cannot happen because of this very fact.
Of course, nowadays, the meaning of Marriage has changed. It's old meaning is irrelevant. (to some)
But I do want to add that Gay people are some of the most humble and nicest people in the world. Like I said a few pages ago, the more love in the world the better, but marriage is something else. |
I wanted to point out a couple of things. To begin with, you did not offend me. I was just trying to make a valid rebuttal. I think debate is very healthy! I actually quite value your opinion, for without differing opinions on topics, this world would be a sad dull place. And I actually prefer your gentle opinions over the "you're going to hell" ones I receive! I respect your beliefs about marriage and you are every bit entitled to them.
And I hope I am one of those "nice" gays in your book! :) |
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07/07/2009 11:44:35 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
I do not disagree with that sentiment at all. I'm just very touchy because we have been over the age issue, among other personal "nicely put" insults about my beliefs, world view, etc, in a couple other threads. After being put through the ringer of personal offenses so many times it comes off as a bit brazen to ask me to not use a word I threw out without any specific intent of offense towards someone. |
Well, that's why I asked you nicely to not use it. I didn't think you were doing it on purpose to offend me, but I wanted to let you know that it does so you could potentially avoid it in the future. You aren't the first person I've brought this up with here. I'm not picking on you! :) |
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07/07/2009 11:47:00 PM · #106 |
I am glad to see you two hug and make up! Just kidding!!!
Jason, I agree: Is there anyone on here against the UAFA? If so, speak up! Let's hear your opinion! |
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07/07/2009 11:47:00 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
my friends and I were discussing making a cult one day. It's a way to make money and have TOTAL control over some of your fellow men. |
it might had been easier if you were born during the era when people are more gullible and easier to convince. if you're able to pull it off; as years passed, words of mouth would probably make it better than the original, and finally it becomes unquestionable, and there, you've just made yourself immortal. if i can bring the technology we have today way back into the past, you'd probably see people worshiping me as god crayon.
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07/07/2009 11:48:41 PM · #108 |
Thank you ! There are some people on here who called for my head and were completely ignorant on the true meaning of marriage.
And  moriadelacroixAs a matter of fact the word Gay doesn't even mean you have to be homosexual. Gay means merry, humble, etc. In order to love and live with another person of the same gender you probably have to be one of those things.
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07/07/2009 11:49:06 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
First of all, let it be known that I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was trying to explain why the Church is against Gay marriages. I painted a little scenerio in my last post to explain why; probably a bad scenerio, but the Church's point is that in an old world, where there are far less than 6 billion people in the world, homosexuality doesn't lead to creation and expansion of a species and increases chances of extinction. This is why they consider marriage intrinsical.
My meaning of the word marriage was taken from the Catholic view as well. Marriage is one of the sacraments. and according to the Church, it is a biological union of two bodies, and two souls as well. DNA transfer for creation required for the offspring. According to them, Marriage is actually Impossible between Gays. It cannot happen because of this very fact.
Of course, nowadays, the meaning of Marriage has changed. It's old meaning is irrelevant. (to some)
But I do want to add that Gay people are some of the most humble and nicest people in the world. Like I said a few pages ago, the more love in the world the better, but marriage is something else. |
And you just lost me with that last sentence. It's like you are saying 1+1=zero
You are ok with gays, you say that the old meaning of marriage is irrelevant, you are ok with the "love" involved, yet still no gay marriage? Still sounds like the old water black/white fountain thing to me. You can have water, you have every right to drink water, just not from my fountain. Even though the exact same water comes out. You just can't have mine. It doesn't make sense!
And still no answer to what about barren straight couples or people past child bearing age. Is their marriage "actually impossible" as well? This seems to be a question that gets glossed over time and time again.
1+1=2
You seem very nice and I'm not trying to railroad you I just really DONT GET it. |
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07/07/2009 11:53:18 PM · #110 |
| I put it in very simple terms. I have defined marriage for you and explained why I am against Gay marriage. It has nothing to do with any of my other views towards people's lifestyles. |
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07/07/2009 11:53:45 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
my friends and I were discussing making a cult one day. It's a way to make money and have TOTAL control over some of your fellow men. |
it might had been easier if you were born during the era when people are more gullible and easier to convince. if you're able to pull it off; as years passed, words of mouth would probably make it better than the original, and finally it becomes unquestionable, and there, you've just made yourself immortal. if i can bring the technology we have today way back into the past, you'd probably see people worshiping me as god crayon. |
First I'd like to state I am 100% joking, just in case there was any confusion! I care very much about people and you could not pay me enough ever to do that kind of injustice to people.
2nd hate to burst your bubble but there are still cults. Rich, thriving, doing well, gaining new followers every day. For example: Mormons (or at least the crazier, live in the mountains with 10 wives kind for the sake of being politically correct), don't forget the Jonestown Massacre was in the lifetime of many of the people on here, as was the Nike cult. There is also a man with 100,000 followers strong that claims to be the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ (thank you Religulous!) Also who could forget the BIG ONE. Scientology.
With all the knowledge out there, the human mind is still, as it used to be, playdough that can molded horribly wrong in the wrong hands. |
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07/07/2009 11:54:44 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
I put it in very simple terms. I have defined marriage for you and explained why I am against Gay marriage. It has nothing to do with any of my other views towards people's lifestyles. |
Handicap question please. Are they not real marriages? The definition makes no sense unless you apply it to everyone who can't procreate. |
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07/08/2009 12:03:04 AM · #113 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
my friends and I were discussing making a cult one day. It's a way to make money and have TOTAL control over some of your fellow men. |
it might had been easier if you were born during the era when people are more gullible and easier to convince. if you're able to pull it off; as years passed, words of mouth would probably make it better than the original, and finally it becomes unquestionable, and there, you've just made yourself immortal. if i can bring the technology we have today way back into the past, you'd probably see people worshiping me as god crayon. |
First I'd like to state I am 100% joking, just in case there was any confusion! I care very much about people and you could not pay me enough ever to do that kind of injustice to people.
2nd hate to burst your bubble but there are still cults. Rich, thriving, doing well, gaining new followers every day. For example: Mormons (or at least the crazier, live in the mountains with 10 wives kind for the sake of being politically correct), don't forget the Jonestown Massacre was in the lifetime of many of the people on here, as was the Nike cult. There is also a man with 100,000 followers strong that claims to be the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ (thank you Religulous!) Also who could forget the BIG ONE. Scientology.
With all the knowledge out there, the human mind is still, as it used to be, playdough that can molded horribly wrong in the wrong hands. |
i agree on the cult thingy. but just like what they are called, they are just "cults" and not "religion". put them under the same microscope and you'd see that they are just being referred to with different words. what i dont understand about cult leaders is why the need to do something bad which gets them into bad light? i'd rather stay quiet and be content with the life i get from being a religious leader...err, i mean cult leader.
anyway, lets get back to homosexuality ;)
Message edited by author 2009-07-08 00:07:40. |
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07/08/2009 12:12:32 AM · #114 |
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07/08/2009 12:18:02 AM · #115 |
Thank you for posting this article Paul. I did not know this and now I am very interested!!! Here is a direct link to the site: Codex Sinaiticus, but go read the NPR article Paul posted first! When i am not so tired I am going to look through this. Very interesting indeed! Thanks again! |
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07/08/2009 12:30:54 AM · #116 |
Originally posted by Digital_Susie:
my best friend is a gay male, we have been best friends since pre primary, In highschool I tried to sleep with him, to then realise ten years after school after meeting up with him again, that he is living with a guy.. I always knew he was gay, he love tina turner, kylie mingoue, bete midler and kept steeling all my damn naked men magazines hahaha. But back in high school he kept denying it. But im coming to realise that all the best god damn looking men are gay. So not fair.. |
"if you are so beautiful, how beautiful would be your brother" - is this what he said???
Originally posted by Digital_Susie:
And I can understand why my best friend thinks viginas are gross. Some are gross but then some arent. There not all the same. hahaha |
I haven't seen enough (in numbers) to make any definitive comments. I once asked my wife if some women put some makeup on it, since beauty is so important to woman.
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07/08/2009 11:23:58 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
I haven't seen enough (in numbers) to make any definitive comments. I once asked my wife if some women put some makeup on it, since beauty is so important to woman. |
Ewww! That would be really unhealthy. And just... really weird. I don't think makeup would help ugly ones anyhow... |
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07/08/2009 01:49:03 PM · #118 |
Maybe not makeup, but they DO have cosmetic surgery done.
/hijack off |
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07/08/2009 02:41:12 PM · #119 |
I want to thank everyone who's been debating in this thread. It's good to know that (it seems like) everybody here supports the Uniting American Families Act!
For those who want to very easily help with the cause, go to www.out4immigration.org and sign up for their yahoo group. You can also go to www.immigrationequality.org for six different ways to help the cause.
And, since some also talked about Gay Marriage (or Civil Union), if you are for it, please sign the petition to repeal DOMA
Thanks everyone again, and I'm glad to belong to this friendly group! |
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07/08/2009 03:24:23 PM · #120 |
| Hey Diego, I just noticed you live in Argentina. What's your particular interest in US law? Just curious. |
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07/08/2009 03:39:32 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Hey Diego, I just noticed you live in Argentina. What's your particular interest in US law? Just curious. |
Me and my partner are among the many people in binational relationships that are discriminated by the current immigration law. We were planning to live together here in Argentina, however, he cannot move here due to health issues, rehab and Social Security Disability process until no sooner than July next year, and I can't move there (not even visit him, as a matter of fact) because I am discriminated for being gay. If my partner was a woman, "she" could have sponsored me, and I could have been in the US helping "her" with her health issues, and living together in a loving marriage. However, since we are both males, we are facing separation. |
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07/08/2009 03:44:20 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Lydia, I see it as no more of a "risk" than being alive every day. I'm not going to avoid stepping on cracks because they MAY break my mothers back. Who has the time for all that fear? God will understand. We're cool. |
Okey dokey... you're choice. *smile*
I think you're right though; He most certainly DOES understand and that's why it's number seven on his list of Top Ten "do nots".
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name. or
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Do as you see fit, but since the writer of the cracks in the sidewalk rule isn't evident to me, then I'm gonna ignore that one and go with the Top Ten just in case God exists and does what he says he will do.
I understand if you wish to do otherwise. That is your right.
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07/08/2009 03:57:27 PM · #123 |
| How is using selective phrases from the Bible as justification for bigotry and discrimination in a world which extends beyond the Middle East not "taking the Lord's name in vain?" |
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07/08/2009 04:04:51 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
How is using selective phrases from the Bible as justification for bigotry and discrimination in a world which extends beyond the Middle East not "taking the Lord's name in vain?" |
Its evident that some people see the world in a broader sense than others. Nuff said. |
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07/08/2009 04:36:29 PM · #125 |
You guy just can't resist lines like this, can you? Paul's post alone could be dissected on four fronts. I'm gonna try to just stifle my response though, but it does show an ignorance. I know a lot of the usual Ranter's backgrounds, but I don't know yours Paul. Do you have any sort of "I went to church as a child" past? what's your story?
Message edited by author 2009-07-08 16:37:31. |
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