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05/08/2004 05:20:07 PM · #1 |
| I'm new to this forum -- I've made only my second submission in the rust challenge -- but I am curious about some of the apparent abnormalities in some of the voting. My current entry is hovering around 6.3 to 6.4 with about 25 comments, mostly very positive. It seems to be getting its share of 8, 9 and even some 10 votes according to the comments. But on a couple of occasions when checking my score, I can tell that I have received votes of 2. I'm not really complaining, but it makes me wonder if there are certain voters out there that give extremely low scores just to try to lower the scores of the other entries. It just seems strange to me that there can be such huge disparities in opinions and I was curious if those of you who have been around this site longer think these are honest disagreements in the quality of a shot or are there voters out there with other motives. |
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05/08/2004 05:23:55 PM · #2 |
| Yes, sometimes there's some strange going ons in the voting patterns. All week with 3,4,5 and someone gives out a 8. Who is this person and why does he/she thinks it deserves this score? I guess I'll never know. |
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05/08/2004 05:26:38 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Yes, sometimes there's some strange going ons in the voting patterns. All week with 3,4,5 and someone gives out a 8. Who is this person and why does he/she thinks it deserves this score? I guess I'll never know. |
LMAO!!!!!!! Sounds like my score, minus the 8 and with fewer 5s. |
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05/08/2004 05:28:26 PM · #4 |
The low scores just come with the territory. There are people who simply give 1's and 2's to photos they feel don't meet the challenge (at least their definition of it).
This is not necessarily wrong, because you are supposed to meet the challenge first and foremost. But it's seldom black and white. Moreover, my feeling is that when you simply give 1's and 2's when you feel a photo doesn't meet the challenge, that flattens out the distinction between really awful pictures that don't meet the challenge, and good shots that may or may not.
There are numerous threads on voting strategy, and I don't want to repeat them here.
Note there are also mechanisms on the site to catch "low-ball" voting.
Overall, however, since you only get one score from people, and rarely do we get comments, a number of us, as you'll read in other threads, are pushing for multiscale voting, so you get a score on several dimensions. That way, someone can easily rank you on how well you meet the challenge, and separately on technical and aesthetic aspects of your photo.
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05/08/2004 05:29:49 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Note there are also mechanisms on the site to catch "low-ball" voting.
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These mechanisms should also catch "high-ball" voting. |
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05/08/2004 05:30:51 PM · #6 |
Welcome ... and know that if you browse the archived forums you'll find approximately 31,473 posts on this topic. :)
The short answer is that we have an international community representing a wide variety of ages, cultures, voting styles, esthetic values, and other differentiating characteristics such that photos (even winning ones) which don't garner at least the occasional one/two/three votes are the exception rather than the norm ... and don't worry about it.
People are essentially free to use the 1-10 scale any way they see fit, but we have a secret algorithm which ferrets out actual fradulent voting patterns and discards those votes. As long as people vote consistently and fairly it usually all averages out in the end. |
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05/08/2004 05:35:59 PM · #7 |
Not everybody liked the movie "Titanic" but it made a lot of money. Not everybody may like a particular picture but it might still win a ribbon.
We can all dream about breaking the "6" mark or even the "5" mark. |
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05/08/2004 05:56:50 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by digitaldave:
I'm new to this forum -- I've made only my second submission in the rust challenge -- but I am curious about some of the apparent abnormalities in some of the voting. My current entry is hovering around 6.3 to 6.4 with about 25 comments, mostly very positive. It seems to be getting its share of 8, 9 and even some 10 votes according to the comments. But on a couple of occasions when checking my score, I can tell that I have received votes of 2. |
His second submission and he's getting a 6.4? Were that he were me. 25 comments? My God, man, that's great! I've got about 200 votes, and 3 -- yes, 3 comments. And I'm sitting at a 4.7 with a perfectly good entry -- not great, but truly not sub par. Yet that's my score. Of course, I'm biased! |
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05/08/2004 06:05:29 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by boomer:
His second submission and he's getting a 6.4? Were that he were me. 25 comments? My God, man, that's great! I've got about 200 votes, and 3 -- yes, 3 comments. And I'm sitting at a 4.7 with a perfectly good entry -- not great, but truly not sub par. Yet that's my score. Of course, I'm biased! |
LOL me too!
Dave check the scores of previous winning entries you'll see that they ALL have scores that fall on a Gaussian distribution curve...simple law of statistics, especially when it comes to something as subjective as appreciating art. You are doing very well, I'm on my 5th challenge and I haven't broken the 6 barrier yet...
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05/08/2004 06:05:35 PM · #10 |
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
it's been said often, it the person who vote that decide how much to give it :) in other word, What you think deserve a 10, may deserve a 2 in someone else's mind.
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05/08/2004 06:12:03 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... and don't worry about it.
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Thanks for the explanation. I'm not so much worried about it as just curious. |
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05/08/2004 06:20:02 PM · #12 |
| There is not a huge disparity in voting -- there is a huge "disparity" in like minds. And isn't that a good thing? |
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05/08/2004 06:32:51 PM · #13 |
| Has anyone ever considered adding a "Does not meet challenge button"? This would allow for a picture to be graded without hurting it's overall score. |
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05/08/2004 06:53:37 PM · #14 |
| Actually... the whole point of a challenge is for all the photos to meet it. If you did something like that, then it would not be fair to all the others that do meet the challenge. |
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05/08/2004 07:34:04 PM · #15 |
digital dave,
If you ever figure it out - be sure to let us know! I've only been if 6 challenges. If FOUR of the six - my entries got EVERY number from 1 to 10. I even received a ONE on an image in another challenge - where my submission finished 3rd!
It definitely shows that we all have our own "eyes" and see thing differently. Subjective is the key word.
Congrats on most likely breaking the 6 barrier on challenge #2!
My rusted has been hovering at 5.95 for several days.... and it's about to close, sigh. Oh - and it has 225 votes and just 10 comments.... |
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05/08/2004 07:42:11 PM · #16 |
I haven't been here very long, but I would say...."get used to it!!"
It's going to happen with everything you (and everybody else) submits.
Good luck. |
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05/08/2004 07:47:28 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Welcome ... and know that if you browse the archived forums you'll find approximately 31,473 posts on this topic. :)
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Is that all? I would have expected at least 42,179......
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05/08/2004 07:49:52 PM · #18 |
| I agree with neil , I think that you must meet the challange first |
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05/08/2004 08:06:42 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by digitaldave:
I'm new to this forum -- I've made only my second submission in the rust challenge -- but I am curious about some of the apparent abnormalities in some of the voting. My current entry is hovering around 6.3 to 6.4 with about 25 comments, mostly very positive. It seems to be getting its share of 8, 9 and even some 10 votes according to the comments. But on a couple of occasions when checking my score, I can tell that I have received votes of 2. I'm not really complaining, but it makes me wonder if there are certain voters out there that give extremely low scores just to try to lower the scores of the other entries. It just seems strange to me that there can be such huge disparities in opinions and I was curious if those of you who have been around this site longer think these are honest disagreements in the quality of a shot or are there voters out there with other motives. |
Well, I'm new too, and all I can say is that is how it is. Take my Rust entry for example. I've received 204 votes and 15 comments. 8 of the comments say "Great Lighting!" 2 of them say "Terrible Lighting!" 2 say it's out of focus, 1 said it was too saturated, 1 said "not my taste" and 1 said it was "Perfect!" Who knows????? All I know is that several commenters showed in their comments scores of 4 to 10, and I'm sitting at a 5.47 when I was up at a 5.92 a couple of days ago. You never know what people are wanting to see. Take your pictures to please yourself first, then, if anyone else likes it, it's the icing on the cake! :o)
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05/08/2004 08:15:09 PM · #20 |
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05/08/2004 08:25:05 PM · #21 |
Welcome to the crazy voting world of DPC. You get used to it after a while.
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05/08/2004 08:28:52 PM · #22 |
I've given low scores to photos that have gotten plenty of higher votes. I know I'm not being malicious. Sometimes it's just a matter of personal taste and how much the individual voter is willing to let pass in terms of technical merit. I've noticed that I'm a tougher critic than a lot of voters but I do take the time to explain what I don't like about a photo.
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05/08/2004 08:47:53 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by goinskiing:
Welcome to the crazy voting world of DPC. You get used to it after a while. |
Im getting sick of it. I like autotool's method.
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05/08/2004 08:50:01 PM · #24 |
I agree that it is polite to give a comment when voting low on something. That way, if someone gets lots of low votes, all with about the same comment, they'll know what to do different next time.
No comment, no learning.
I would be surprised if I didn't get a complete spread of numbers on something. I have also noticed that I get more comments on higher rating pictures. I don't know why!
I appreciate the comments I do get, and I make sure to check the "photographer found this comment useful" box on the ones that are. ("That's cool!" is nice, but not really helpful) |
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05/08/2004 10:17:24 PM · #25 |
His second submission and he's getting a 6.4? Were that he were me. 25 comments? My God, man, that's great! I've got about 200 votes, and 3 -- yes, 3 comments. And I'm sitting at a 4.7 with a perfectly good entry -- not great, but truly not sub par. Yet that's my score. Of course, I'm biased! [/quote]
Heh. I was thinking the same thing :) I hope to be above 5 this time. This is my third challenge and my last two ended with 4.8s. I've been above five for most of this challenge, but I checked this evening and I'm a hair below 5 again. Ah well, I'm here to learn and hopefully that is happening ! |
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