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Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/17/2004 03:27:02 PM · #26

//www.nytimes.com/2004/05/16/business/16OIL.html

this pretty much describes our current situation perfectly

Nelzie

Canon EOS-30D

05/17/2004 03:34:17 PM · #27

Originally posted by matiscro:

Last time I checked my supply/demand chart, a decrease in demand will lead to a drop in prices, not an increase.

Did you read the 'Snopes' article linked above?

For the demand to go down significantly, people would have to give up buying gasoline for something close to two weeks. Can you imagine most Americans going without an automobile or other gasoline consuming conveyence for one week or more? Yeah, me neither.

Heck, if there were sidewalks for the entire distance and it wasn't becoming so blasted warm, I could ride my mountain bike the 13 miles it is between home and the office, but I would likely still smell like I just left the gym for the entire day of work. Unfortunately, my workplace doesn't have an onsite employee shower/changing room... So, that's not an option for me.

05/17/2004 03:42:32 PM · #28

Originally posted by Nelzie:

Originally posted by matiscro:
Last time I checked my supply/demand chart, a decrease in demand will lead to a drop in prices, not an increase.

Did you read the 'Snopes' article linked above?

Yeah, i read it and completely agree. I was referring to the faulty logic in the comment that its the hybrid's fault for the increase in gas prices. This is a very irresponsible outlook on how we should be progressing as a nation that loves to drive.

05/17/2004 03:48:45 PM · #29

Please please please PLEASE read this website.
//www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/PageOne.html

Realize that the current prices might be related to politics, to war, to greed, etc.... but if you look at the big picture you'll realize that they're more closely related to dwindling supply.

As oil (and gas and coal) get harder and harder to extract (because of dwindling supply) the prices will continue to rise until it is prohibitively expensive to live the lives we're accustomed to. Every facet of your lives will be radically and unpleasantly affected by this.

Working, driving, packaging, agriculture and farming, medicine- are all possible because of the abundant availablility of cheap oil. This is a permanent problem, not one that will go away with the next election or the end of a war. There is precious little oil left on this planet. Start preparing for life without oil now.

EDIT: This is an excellent site for getting daily energy related news.
//www.financialsense.com/energy/main.htm

Message edited by author 2004-05-17 15:58:18.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

05/17/2004 03:57:49 PM · #30

How reliable can an article be that spells oil "Ooil"

RonB

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

05/17/2004 03:59:33 PM · #31

Originally posted by Glen King:

Thank You Mr. Bush for making yourself and friends rich while killing off our youngsters in foreign lands.

That's right, it's all Bush's fault. EVERYTHING that you don't like/don't agree with is Bush's fault.

Bad air? - blame BUSH.
Bad water? - blame BUSH.
High prices? - blame Bush.
Bad marriage? - blame Bush.
Lousy job? - blame Bush.
Lousy complexion? - Blame Bush.
Bad hair day? - blame Bush.

YOU are a VICTIM.
You have no CHOICE.
You are POWERLESS.
There is NOTHING that you can do about anything - except COMPLAIN.

Oh, I almost forgot. There is one other thing that you can do - you can also vote for Kerry in November ( though you may have to walk to the voting booth to do so, what with Petrol being so expensive ). If Kerry wins, then I expect that you will STOP complaining - because from then on it will all be YOUR FAULT.

And I'm glad to see that you would GLADLY choose to save 700 U.S. lives instead of saving several hundred THOUSAND Iraqi lives. Iraqi lives, after all, are not worth as much as U.S. lives, even at a a few-hundred to one. Funny how the TERRORISTS have a different viewpoint - they GLADLY sacrificed 19 of their members to take out 3,000 folks in the World Trade Center a while back.

This didn't start out as a political thread - those are normally relagated to the RANT forum. But since you made it political, I felt free to respond in kind.

Ron

jimmythefish

Canon EOS-10D

05/17/2004 04:14:56 PM · #32

Uh it's a non-renewable resource, and demand globally has skyrocketed. Consider that China and India are rapidly industrialising, and using far more oil than they were even 10 years ago.

If true cost pricing were applied to oil, it would be much, much more expensive than it is now. Look at what companies and countries have to go through to control oil reserves. Consider that Bush, Cheney and Rice are all former oil executives...oil is the fuel for the western way of life and our governments are heavily involved in ensuring that future supplies are accessible. Just wait until gas is $15/gallon. This is nothing. Do some reading about the Peak Oil phenomenon, and start stacking those baked bean tins in the basement.

Message edited by author 2004-05-17 16:22:35.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/17/2004 04:18:32 PM · #33

Originally posted by jimmythefish:

Do some reading about the Peak Oil phenomenon, and start stacking those baked bean tins in the basement.

Yep, see my post above.

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

05/17/2004 04:28:11 PM · #34

Originally posted by RonB:

Originally posted by Glen King:
Thank You Mr. Bush for making yourself and friends rich while killing off our youngsters in foreign lands.

This didn't start out as a political thread - those are normally relagated to the RANT forum. But since you made it political, I felt free to respond in kind.

Ron

He should feel safe now with the defenders like you :-)

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

05/17/2004 04:43:40 PM · #35

12c a gallon in Iraq just now...

mirdonamy

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/17/2004 04:46:23 PM · #36

I am a financial planner, and in California, we estimate between 4.7% and 4.9% annual inflation. If you are not getting a raise of at least that much per year, you are losing purchasing power. You should consider investing :)

Okay, that's my 2 cents.

RonB

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

05/17/2004 04:50:58 PM · #37

For those willing to look, here is an excerpt from an article published just last month:

"But looking behind the politics and other reasons for the upward pressure on prices (such as historically low oil and petrol stockpiles in the US), just how much oil is left under the surface of Planet Earth?

Technological advances

Loads - or more than 1,000bn barrels of proven (we know for sure) reserves to be precise, up to 40 years' worth.

Add that still yet to be discovered, and the figure and timescale is much higher still. "

Full article HERE

Note: that's NOT to say that the oil won't be more expensive ( or that we shouldn't be spending a LOT of effort on finding other energy sources ) - just that we won't run out of oil next year, or the year after.

Ron

Olyuzi

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7

Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 ASPH

05/17/2004 05:02:36 PM · #38

And that's one of the reasons why the US went into Iraq...get their hands on all those oil reserves (Iraq has only tapped about 15% of the possible oil fields...only Saudi Arabia has more).

There should be a big push around the world to develop alternative energy sources. Our progeny depends on it.

05/17/2004 05:05:52 PM · #39

Originally posted by RonB:

Note: that's NOT to say that the oil won't be more expensive ( or that we shouldn't be spending a LOT of effort on finding other energy sources ) - just that we won't run out of oil next year, or the year after.

As I mentioned earlier, running out of oil next year or the year after isn't the problem. It's how much it will cost to extract what's left. If trucks stop delivering food and supplies to stores because gas is prohibitively expensive, or if packaging plants start shutting down because they can't afford the oil needed to create the plastic packages for everything we buy, our society will shut down. And that *could* happen in the next 5 years.

This is a fictional account of what might happen when there is a serious oil/gas shortage. I think it's a realistic possibility. It will be like 1973, only it will never get better.

//www.newcolonist.com/dim_ages.html

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

05/17/2004 05:07:19 PM · #40

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

There should be a big push around the world to develop alternative energy sources. Our progeny depends on it.

Too late.
//www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/PageTwo.html

Mick

Canon EOS-5D

05/17/2004 05:09:32 PM · #41

Message edited by author 2004-10-20 03:06:21.

Olyuzi

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7

Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 ASPH

05/17/2004 05:20:24 PM · #42

Sounds like an apocalypse is coming. I wonder how soon. This will be like the Y2k scare, only scarier and more real.

Originally posted by ahaze:

Originally posted by Olyuzi:
There should be a big push around the world to develop alternative energy sources. Our progeny depends on it.

Too late.
//www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/PageTwo.html

05/17/2004 05:23:00 PM · #43

Did anyone else notice that the guy on that Peak Oil site is trying to sell a book?

05/17/2004 05:24:48 PM · #44

Originally posted by matiscro:

Did anyone else notice that the guy on that Peak Oil site is trying to sell a book?

Here's a site not selling anything, if you prefer.
//dieoff.org/

Google "Peak Oil" or the "Club of Rome". Matt Savinar didn't invent it.

05/17/2004 05:31:15 PM · #45

What all these doomsday theories ignore is human greed. Energy has always been a source of income for capitalists. An earlier post claimed that an Exxon exec said himself that we will run out of oil. Do you think they are just going to sit on their hands and wait for that to happen? Of course not. Energy=money. They will obviously develop alternative sources (some which we can't even fathom by the standards of today's technology) and all will be right with the world again. Now smile, go out and shoot some photos.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/17/2004 05:39:32 PM · #46

Originally posted by matiscro:

Now smile, go out and shoot some photos.

As "page two" of Savinar's site points out very clearly, there isn't enough time to convert the entire western world to some new and wondrous technology. I suggest you read the page before discounting the crash.

As for shooting photos, I'm too busy selling my belongings, preparing to move out of the country next year- I'm learning natural building, organic farming, and other self sufficiency techniques. I'd like to at least *attempt* to be prepared for the crash.

Though in all honesty I have no intentions of selling my camera, it will be with me until it's broken and there's no Nikon left to ship it to for repair!

Message edited by author 2004-05-17 17:40:23.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/17/2004 05:45:30 PM · #47

The experts also said that we would not have enough time to convert the world's computer systems in time for Y2K. We did, and as a result, Y2K turned out to be a non-event.

-Terry

the-O-ster

Nikon D70

05/17/2004 05:48:43 PM · #48

we should all move to the city. give up the suburban life. mass transit to work, walk to the grocers every night, bike to the park on the weekends. driving causes stress and accidents. not to mention the pollution.

car free for 2 years,

-O.