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04/30/2009 08:24:57 PM · #251 |
no !
it's a combination of the tight quarters and the over use of meds...
we wouldn't have as a high rate of mutation of bacteria and viruses IF
we didn't overuse the meds.
survival of the fittest would take care of the rest.
but, we've decided to stop letting the weak succumb.
do only the weak pigs get vaccinated, and pumped full of antibiotics ? no, they all do - healthy or not.
the sick ones still get used for other means than food though...
humans aside. the food industry barks up a different tree. they want quantity. they want to have enough f'n pigs to feed as many fat ignorant pig eaters as they can. they don't care if they ( as an industry are creating super bacteria or viruses ). they don't care... and they are willing to do whatever it takes to meat their goal... until someone steps up and creates a 'regulation' ( that in liklihood can't be enforced - take the peanut debacle ) they will continue to med up and treat the pigs the same way they have been - so long as it's profitable.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Eating pork won't give you flu either. We don't vaccinate horses because it's not economically feasible. As Brennan suggested, vaccinations aren't really the problem (otherwise vaccinating people would be even worse). Viruses will mutate whether you vaccinate or not. The issue is that having so many animals (or people) in such close proximity encourages the transmission of anything that does appear. Crowded farms without vaccinations isn't exactly a solution to curbing flu. |
Message edited by author 2009-04-30 20:25:19.
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04/30/2009 08:31:09 PM · #252 |
Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
hhehehehehheheheheh ohhhhhh bad boy!!!!!!!!!
I did restock though, my freezer is filled again. Guess what we had for the Tuesday night party, pork ribs with a whiskey and sugar bar b q sauce and cow meat on the bone, spinach salad with cashews and vast quantity's of liquor.
So now I am going to go mad and die of all these horrible things. |
what do you mean "going to go mad.."? :P |
well, there is that issue, as anyone that has met me can testify.
Darn, I need to eat more .'stuff' |
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04/30/2009 09:36:39 PM · #253 |
Originally posted by soup:
we wouldn't have as a high rate of mutation of bacteria and viruses IF
we didn't overuse the meds. |
You're basing this on what, exactly? Viruses mutate at a rate determined by their structural characteristics whether you vaccinate or not. Though the pathogen might overcome a particular obstacle faster with repeat exposure, the overall number of mutations will actually be much fewer simply because there are less available to mutate. If the rate increased, then human vaccinations would be pointless as a net negative. This particular virus has elements of pig, avian and human influenza, and I don't think it's been determined where the current form originated. It may not have been a mutation that occurred in a pig at all, much less a medicated one. If it did originate in a pig, maybe this mutated variant could have been prevented altogether if the pig HAD been vaccinated against the prior version. There's no way to know.
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04/30/2009 10:18:05 PM · #254 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think most of the tick-borne diseases are Rickettsial; they are not viruses, but not quite bacteria either. |
They are a lot like spirochetes, the basis of a very bad STD. Just pulled one off the inside of my knee today. Waiting to see if I get a rash. He couldn't have been there much more than 24 hours so maybe I'll luck up. |
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04/30/2009 10:21:49 PM · #255 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Pork is so on sale right now. 50c a pound.
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Can you say RIBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ooops, the carnivore inside me just lost control.
Sorry. |
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04/30/2009 10:26:07 PM · #256 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I don't think it's been determined where the current form originated. |
Area 52. Slippy and I were working on a pig virus when the darned Geico duck stuck it's head in to ask us about our disability program. Of course Slippy bit off the ducks head in search of brains. We'd just had pork brains and eggs with pancakes for breakfast. I tried to catch Slippy but he escaped the facility, quacking "brains"!!!!!!!! |
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04/30/2009 10:29:58 PM · #257 |
I'm not going to get into vaccines, but Anti-biotics are definitely prescribed too freely. Most doctors will prescribe them for viral infections when anti-biotics should only be used for bacterial infections. The anti-biotics don't aid the immune system at all, instead it replaces its functions, which can impair the body's natural anti-body cell production in the spleen. The body will realize it doesn't need to fight back since the sythetic medicine is doing the job for the body; therefore, the body will depend on the medicine, and if you take anti-biotics often, even for a common cold, or cut on a finger, then the pesky germs will find the upperhand eventually; once you stop using anti-biotics.
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04/30/2009 10:39:12 PM · #258 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by scalvert:
I don't think it's been determined where the current form originated. |
Area 52. Slippy and I were working on a pig virus when the darned Geico duck stuck it's head in to ask us about our disability program. Of course Slippy bit off the ducks head in search of brains. We'd just had pork brains and eggs with pancakes for breakfast. I tried to catch Slippy but he escaped the facility, quacking "brains"!!!!!!!! |
One mystery solved, a much bigger one rears its living dead head. |
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04/30/2009 10:43:40 PM · #259 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
Area 52. Slippy and I were working on a pig virus when the darned Geico duck stuck it's head in to ask us about our disability program. Of course Slippy bit off the ducks head in search of brains. We'd just had pork brains and eggs with pancakes for breakfast. I tried to catch Slippy but he escaped the facility, quacking "brains"!!!!!!!! |
Well I think it may be a wash then, worldwide flu pandemic, BUT no more Gieko duck? Fair trade! |
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04/30/2009 10:47:48 PM · #260 |
| I'm confused. I thought Geico had a lizard and Aflac had a duck? |
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04/30/2009 10:47:52 PM · #261 |
"Mexican Swine Flu - we're all gonna die!!!!!!"
Ok... so no point in doing the dishes, huh?
This is good news. I can play on DPC a bit longer than I thought.
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04/30/2009 11:06:22 PM · #262 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Given that Slippy has entered the zombie brain eating phase, is he still classified as "alive"? |
What do you mean, "still"? He never was! |
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04/30/2009 11:08:53 PM · #263 |
Originally posted by karmat:
I'm confused. I thought Geico had a lizard and Aflac had a duck? |
Right. Actually, it's the Geico Gecko... Morons....
R. |
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04/30/2009 11:09:11 PM · #264 |
Originally posted by karmat:
I'm confused. I thought Geico had a lizard and Aflac had a duck? |
Geico only has a lizard because Slippy killed the duck that was supposed to be their mascot. |
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04/30/2009 11:11:07 PM · #265 |
Originally posted by soup:
no !
it's a combination of the tight quarters and the over use of meds...
we wouldn't have as a high rate of mutation of bacteria and viruses IF
we didn't overuse the meds.
survival of the fittest would take care of the rest.
but, we've decided to stop letting the weak succumb.
do only the weak pigs get vaccinated, and pumped full of antibiotics ? no, they all do - healthy or not.
the sick ones still get used for other means than food though...
humans aside. the food industry barks up a different tree. they want quantity. they want to have enough f'n pigs to feed as many fat ignorant pig eaters as they can. they don't care if they ( as an industry are creating super bacteria or viruses ). they don't care... and they are willing to do whatever it takes to meat their goal... until someone steps up and creates a 'regulation' ( that in liklihood can't be enforced - take the peanut debacle ) they will continue to med up and treat the pigs the same way they have been - so long as it's profitable.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Eating pork won't give you flu either. We don't vaccinate horses because it's not economically feasible. As Brennan suggested, vaccinations aren't really the problem (otherwise vaccinating people would be even worse). Viruses will mutate whether you vaccinate or not. The issue is that having so many animals (or people) in such close proximity encourages the transmission of anything that does appear. Crowded farms without vaccinations isn't exactly a solution to curbing flu. |
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So if your theory is true regarding vaccines, shouldn't we be seeing virulent mutations of the childhood diseases most of us have been vaccinated against? And considering how many years some have been in use, shouldn't the mutations have happened long before now? |
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04/30/2009 11:49:55 PM · #266 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
I'm not going to get into vaccines, but Anti-biotics are definitely prescribed too freely. Most doctors will prescribe them for viral infections when anti-biotics should only be used for bacterial infections. The anti-biotics don't aid the immune system at all, instead it replaces its functions, which can impair the body's natural anti-body cell production in the spleen. The body will realize it doesn't need to fight back since the sythetic medicine is doing the job for the body; therefore, the body will depend on the medicine, and if you take anti-biotics often, even for a common cold, or cut on a finger, then the pesky germs will find the upperhand eventually; once you stop using anti-biotics. |
Why your theme at its most basic level is true, you got a lot of details wrong on the way... |
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05/01/2009 12:02:12 AM · #267 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
my best friend and my 2 year old godson were supposed to come out to my school last night for a photoshoot. My friend had said that he hadn't been feeling well but she thought he just had allergies because he is normally very healthy. Well, the last couple days he has started having constant diarrhea, a sore throat and a 102 fever. And did I mention that his dad came back from Mexico last week? Eek! So she said "we can still make it if you leave right now" and I was like "ummmm, nooo, that's ok. go to the Dr." The doc took a test sample and gave him a shot of antibiotics which he was none too happy about.
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If the doctor gave him a shot of antibiotics, it's probably not the flu. Antibiotics don't work on viruses. (as has been noted) |
That's exactly what I thought. Maybe it wasn't antibiotics, but he does have all the symptoms as with swine flu. Of course those symptoms are pretty much the same with any flu, so you can never really be sure unless a test is done. So...??? |
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05/01/2009 12:06:23 AM · #268 |
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
my best friend and my 2 year old godson were supposed to come out to my school last night for a photoshoot. My friend had said that he hadn't been feeling well but she thought he just had allergies because he is normally very healthy. Well, the last couple days he has started having constant diarrhea, a sore throat and a 102 fever. And did I mention that his dad came back from Mexico last week? Eek! So she said "we can still make it if you leave right now" and I was like "ummmm, nooo, that's ok. go to the Dr." The doc took a test sample and gave him a shot of antibiotics which he was none too happy about.
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If the doctor gave him a shot of antibiotics, it's probably not the flu. Antibiotics don't work on viruses. (as has been noted) |
That's exactly what I thought. Maybe it wasn't antibiotics, but he does have all the symptoms as with swine flu. Of course those symptoms are pretty much the same with any flu, so you can never really be sure unless a test is done. So...??? |
And then there's the doctors who prescribe antibiotics for somebody who has a virus, especially those patients who come in looking to get 'em. |
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05/01/2009 12:11:53 AM · #269 |
Hi Blue, maybe it was a Flu shot? I don't know much about those, I was never interested.
Hey DrAchoo, what was I wrong about? I'm only an EMT, so I'm all ears, just full of questions myself, mostly regarding self treatments with Colloidal Silver and if it's effective or not at acting like a back up immune system. I hear Colloidal Silver is pretty potent against virus and bacteria, kills all bad bacteria only, not harming the good bacteria, but like anti-biotics, must only be taken in intervals, sparingly because its hard on the kidneys. |
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05/01/2009 12:35:19 AM · #270 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by karmat:
I'm confused. I thought Geico had a lizard and Aflac had a duck? |
Right. Actually, it's the Geico Gecko... Morons....
R. |
Well that kinda surprises me, I think someone has their cranky pants on. You are usually so quick to point out when other people make slanderous remarks... I guess whats good for the goose is not good for the gecko...
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05/01/2009 12:37:55 AM · #271 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
Hi Blue, maybe it was a Flu shot? I don't know much about those... |
There is no flu shot for the current bug, and a vaccination wouldn't help much if you're already infected anyway. |
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05/01/2009 12:40:15 AM · #272 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
Hi Blue, maybe it was a Flu shot? I don't know much about those, I was never interested.
Hey DrAchoo, what was I wrong about? I'm only an EMT, so I'm all ears, just full of questions myself, mostly regarding self treatments with Colloidal Silver and if it's effective or not at acting like a back up immune system. I hear Colloidal Silver is pretty potent against virus and bacteria, kills all bad bacteria only, not harming the good bacteria, but like anti-biotics, must only be taken in intervals, sparingly because its hard on the kidneys. |
I'm not going to get into vaccines, but Anti-biotics are definitely prescribed too freely.
This is likely true.
Most doctors will prescribe them for viral infections when anti-biotics should only be used for bacterial infections.
Only partly true. Doctors will prescribe antibiotics when there is a chance of a bacterial infection. How can you tell the difference between a viral infection and bacterial? Good question. There is no obvious answer short of culture which takes 48-72 hours and isn't always easy to obtain (sinus infection for example).
The anti-biotics don't aid the immune system at all, instead it replaces its functions, which can impair the body's natural anti-body cell production in the spleen.
This statement is most likely false. Antibiotics, of course, help the immune system by killing bacteria. It's also unlikely the antibiotics can do a fast enough or thorough enough job to prevent our immune system from mounting an adaptive immune response which leads to immunologic memory and better ability to fight the same bacteria next time.
[The body will realize it doesn't need to fight back since the sythetic medicine is doing the job for the body; therefore, the body will depend on the medicine, and if you take anti-biotics often, even for a common cold, or cut on a finger, then the pesky germs will find the upperhand eventually; once you stop using anti-biotics.
You have to answer how the immune system realizes it can kick back and relax? The second part is also false short of the ability for bacteria to develop resistance. That part would be true.
As far as colloidal silver, I guess I'd recommend asking whomever is talking it up how the silver distinguishes between which bacteria are "bad" and which are "good"? And what mechanism does it use to kill both bacteria AND viruses? That sounds too good to be true to me... |
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05/01/2009 12:43:13 AM · #273 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by karmat:
I'm confused. I thought Geico had a lizard and Aflac had a duck? |
Right. Actually, it's the Geico Gecko... Morons....
R. |
Ummm...? :( |
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05/01/2009 01:09:38 AM · #274 |
I also told myself that colloidal silver was too good to be true. I don't think it is, you could find it in any vitamin shoppe, and I think was it the Romans who invented Silver-ware because it killed off any potential germs in food. The silver electrocutes or suffocates the bug, and I mean good bacteria, the beneficial enzymes the body produces naturally. Lactobacillus for example.
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05/01/2009 01:33:08 AM · #275 |
Colloidal Silver worked pretty darned good on my cat! long story short, he had a broken back but it was healing, he was sent home from the vet and because he didn't want to move (it hurt) he was lying and peeing on himself for the first week he was home. The urine was burning his skin & he got a rash and I couldn't clean him cause he was all swollen and sore from the accompanying punctures in the backs of his legs. I was spraying the areas with water to keep as much rinsed off him as possible. A friend that listened to my concerns told me to come get some and I did. I put some of the silver water that she had made in the water bottle and sprayed him. The rash was GONE, TOTALLY GONE in a few hours (about 4-6)!! So I'm a believer in colloidal silver in a topical application. (there is also some sort of silver in topical burn creams I'm told) I'm quite a bit more skeptical of ingestion of it, however.
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
I also told myself that colloidal silver was too good to be true. I don't think it is, you could find it in any vitamin shoppe, and I think was it the Romans who invented Silver-ware because it killed off any potential germs in food. The silver electrocutes the bug, and I think the whole good/bad bacteria thing has to do with the ones the body produces naturally. Lactobacillus or some other pro-biotics. |
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