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05/02/2004 11:16:47 AM · #1
a friend of mine is looking into printers.

curious if anyone has any helpful feedback about either one of these printers.

canon i960 or EpsonR300

i read an article about the canon i960 saying it was very fast at high quality - and produced well ( pcphoto current issue )

thanks.
tim

05/02/2004 11:32:44 AM · #2
I have an i960 and it is phenomonal. Very fast, and print quality exceeds what you get from a lab (assuming you use decent paper--I use Canon Photo Paper Pro). The only downside to the Canon is that the prints are not archival. Epson's pigment inks are much better in this regard than Canon's dye-based inks. But, as long as you aren't planning to commercially sell prints from the Canon, I think it is the way to go.
05/02/2004 11:42:27 AM · #3
good to know - thanks.

i have an epson and am quite happy with it
didnt know about the ink quality
05/02/2004 11:48:09 AM · #4
I selected Canon over Epson because the print cartridges on Epson cannot be easily refilled. My limited budget prohibits buying new cartridges at the exorbitant prices Epson charges.
The Canon cartridges are easily refilled with after market inks (still dye-based) that are about 5% of cost of new cartridges.
Print quality is superb, but life of the prints is diminished by the dye-based inks.
05/02/2004 11:50:46 AM · #5
the epsons have no print head to wear out - that is why i bought epson.

05/02/2004 11:51:53 AM · #6
also the inks tend to run out evenly - so replacing the whole cartridge is convenient.

05/02/2004 11:55:58 AM · #7
Originally posted by soup:

the epsons have no print head to wear out - that is why i bought epson.
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I have printed thousands of photos with no discernible wear of the ceramic print heads. Quality is just as good now as when I bought the printer two years ago.
05/02/2004 12:11:00 PM · #8
The Epson R800 does a better job than anything I have seen by any other printer on the market. As far as ink prices go, check out this site for good prices. //www.atlex.com
05/02/2004 12:11:11 PM · #9
knock on wood...

Originally posted by ElGordo:

I have printed thousands of photos with no discernible wear of the ceramic print heads. Quality is just as good now as when I bought the printer two years ago.


Message edited by author 2004-05-02 12:12:01.
05/02/2004 12:50:50 PM · #10
I picked up the i960 to make quick 5x7 prints for people. If someone wants longterm work to keep then I either print it with DPCPrints or locally. The quality of the i960 is unquestionable up to 8x10's. The biggest problem with this printer is the lack of archival quality output. It's fast; doesn't use too much ink and produces gorgeous prints. If the darned things lasted longer than 10-15 years it would be the perfect answer for printing glossies. The Epsons are supposed to surpass the i960 and i9900 in printing matte output as well as in archival quality. I am considering investing in an Epson for commercial printing and keep the Canon for personal photos to take to the office and for models' portfolios (I give them the finished version on CD so they could print it 10 years from now if they wanted but honestly they should be updating their books more often than that).

Kev
05/02/2004 12:51:28 PM · #11
I have the older Canon s900, which has been fantastic for me. Most of the Epson and HP printers I've used tended to clog up and get streaky. Once it gets really clogged, an Epson printer becomes an expensive paperweight, but the Canon's printhead is replaceable- not that I've ever needed to.

True, it's not archival, so the prints 'only' last 25 years. For anything I really care about I send out to PhotoAccess, which will provide an even bettter quality archival print on true photo paper for less than the cost of an inkjet print anyway (Shutterfly and DPCPrints are similar online services, others are generally inferior).
05/02/2004 01:53:44 PM · #12
thanks for all the feed back

helpful - no doubt
05/02/2004 04:08:42 PM · #13
Does anyone have any experience with the canon i9100?
05/02/2004 04:41:37 PM · #14
I just bought the Canon i860 and I am very happy with it. The paper also has a lot to do with archivalness. I was told that by using Canon's own paper that they will last for a very long time as well. Matt papers are even better than glossy for longevity. I would have no problem selling prints from this printer as long as I recommend to buyers to put the image behind UV glass and try to keep it out of direct sunlight. I will happily exchange any faded print for a new one if anyone ever needs it. No ink cartridge is ever going to run out of it's inks exactly at the same time so I think that replacing only one at a time makes a lot more sense. I was told that the Canon printers use an alcohol based ink as apposed to some of the other's including HP's water based inks to greatly decrease clogging. Epson's dye-based inks, while supposedly long lasting, are really prone to clogging and the colors aren't as vibrant. I got real tired of my previous Epson always clogging and it sucked down the inks way too fast. My current Canon has been a dream to use especially with the 4x6 borderless print feeder. They all have their good points but this one has been perfect for me.

T
05/02/2004 10:17:12 PM · #15
Would the i860 be the same as the i865 (in Australia)??

//www.canon.com.au/products/printers/colour_bj_printers/i865.html
05/02/2004 10:29:15 PM · #16
Having owned two Epson printers (one a very expensive 1200) and now an inexpensive Canon, I can say only that I won't buy another Epson. They are wasteful of ink through the many cleaning cycles required, and they are not very reliable.

I wanted to try the Canon line, so I bought an inexpensive S750 a year ago, just to see how they work with Epson Matte Paper (which I really like). No clogging, no cleaning needed, tee-totaler for ink. I was planning on buying the 9000 at the time, but I have a hard time justifying it because the 750 does such an incredible job itself, and it's only a 4 color printer. I will eventually upgrade to one of the 6 or 8 color units.

Note that unlike the Epson's the Canon's have a user-replaceable print head. Not to mention individual ink cartridges without CPU "protection". (I think some of the newer epson's now have individual cartridges).

I also find the Canon printer drivers to be less of a hassle than the Epson's were.
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