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02/27/2009 05:52:43 PM · #376 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The bottom line is that it did get beaten to death on a couple of levels and some felt frustrated with PhotoInterests seemingly being unwilling to entertain anyone else's point of view while hers was to be generally accepted. |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
WHOA, there Jeb! I really and truly thought that at the least, you and I had come to some understanding??? I was open and honest and expressed my reasonings and my thinking behind it all to the best of my ability. I even stated that I saw points, conceded to several points and agreed with you that I need a break with the regular challenges.
Now, I'm seeing you post this type of statement?
Until this moment, I had the biggest amount of respect for you out of everyone. |
SEEMINGLY
There was some tense discussion, and points apparently hitting the wall.....
Look, I'm not interested in going over the whole thing again.....there was much frustration all 'round, and you seemed to be a resolute holdout for quite some time, not being able to get next to having a discussion without great angst.
Much of what was said was not offered as being personal attacks, but it seemed like it was being taken as such.
My heart went out to you because you seemed to be getting exasperated at some of the most innocuous exchanges.....my comment was an observation, not a judgement.
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02/27/2009 06:38:48 PM · #377 |
It may appear that I was a "lone hold out" because I was the only one with that perspective who didn't run away at the first sign of resistance. I stayed and held my opinion. Everyone else was smart enough to see the futility of sitting here, discussing this in any form and taking the flack for their point of view from an entire group. That doesn't mean that there aren't a couple of hundred members out there with the same thoughts/concerns/frustrations with this issue as I have. It's simply that I stick to what I feel is worthy of discussing. The fact that others feel what I feel has been evidenced by the number of times this comes up in threads, over and over again.
Since you've said that I showed "angst"...let me ask how you'd feel if there were a dozen or more people attacking your point of view all at once? I'm not the type to run away from something. I don't run easily as you can tell. Perhaps, that was my mistake. I should have walked out on this discussion and let you all think that you'd won some "victory" in chasing out those with opposing views. However, this isn't the first nor, will it be the last time that this will happen as you well know. And, it won't be the last thread where I will have opposing views.
There are some that I can think of that I've defended and are the very same members who have pounded on me in this one. K10DGuy and Mousie are two right off the bat. I've defended their stances in different threads and I've done it just as strongly as I have defended my own stance in here. That's me. I will go with what I believe no matter the topic is or who it is. I hold no one as "God" in here. There are things that I admire about some and there are things that I don't admire. No one can make me change that opinion other than that person, themselves. If they treat me with respect, they've earned my respect in return. They don't get my respect because everyone else thinks they are "wonderful" nor, is it what they do that earns my respect for them as a person. It's how they treat me that earns my respect. In short, it doesn't matter how "accomplished" or adored someone is by the throngs that makes me respect someone.
Long story short is that I've learned and recognized a pile of things throughout this discussion. Not all of it is on this particular topic nor, is it in agreeance with what many want to see me agree to but, it has been an eye opener to say the least. :)
Message edited by author 2009-02-27 18:41:27. |
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02/27/2009 08:36:36 PM · #378 |
It's great that you are so passionate about art. As you say, you are not alone. However, you've come across as arrogant with the thought that your way of viewing art in whatever form is the only way to view it and rate it (intended or not).
You will find people on this site who share your methods and viewing/rating style. No one is disputing that.
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02/27/2009 09:30:09 PM · #379 |
Colette, I can assure you that any "arrogance" was totally unintended nor, do I think that everyone should rate art the same way that I would or do. I used that as an example of how I was taught/trained to view/judge art and how I, personally, view and judge it.
As for arrogance...well, if that is the way that I was perceived, I could also very well say there are a few in this thread who have also come across, through their passions for differing elements in this discussion as quite arrogant about their own points of view/methods as well, whether intended or unintended. Therefore, I cannot and will not take full blame as it took more than two to tango. :)
Message edited by author 2009-02-27 21:31:23. |
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02/27/2009 09:33:30 PM · #380 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
... That doesn't mean that there aren't a couple of hundred members out there with the same thoughts/concerns/frustrations with this issue as I have. ... |
The flip side of that could also hold true; there could be hundreds or possibly thousands that do NOT share your POV. There are, what, 75000+ registered users on this site? Of that number only a few have stood up in here to voice an opinion not shared by you.
Again, you've made a good point here earlier. Perhaps you should consider your own advice and lighten up a little?
02/14/2009 07:20:44 PM
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
... In short, the mainstream challenges are a game. They are not to be taken seriously as a judge of your ability, talent or merit as a photographer. Please don't fall into that trap. ... |
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02/27/2009 09:52:45 PM · #381 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Colette, I can assure you that any "arrogance" was totally unintended nor, do I think that everyone should rate art the same way that I would or do. I used that as an example of how I was taught/trained to view/judge art and how I, personally, view and judge it.
As for arrogance...well, if that is the way that I was perceived, I could also very well say there are a few in this thread who have also come across, through their passions for differing elements in this discussion as quite arrogant about their own points of view/methods as well, whether intended or unintended. Therefore, I cannot and will not take full blame as it took more than two to tango. :) |
Indicating that it's not right for someone to think that Picaso is garbage is a bit arrogant and one sided or for that matter that because an image on this site won a ribbon that it doesn't deserve a low score for one or more voters. Of course those who agree with the high scores may think that the low ones are unwarranted. The sentiment goes both ways. Those voting low often wonder why someone would vote a 10 on the same image.
It's all about accepting each others views and not indicating that one way is right or better than another.
I'm sure it was all in the presentation, not only on your part. When passion is involved things can get a little heated. |
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02/27/2009 09:54:40 PM · #382 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Since you've said that I showed "angst"...let me ask how you'd feel if there were a dozen or more people attacking your point of view all at once? |
See, right here's an issue.
Nobody was attacking you.....it was a discussion.
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
I'm not the type to run away from something. I don't run easily as you can tell. Perhaps, that was my mistake. I should have walked out on this discussion and let you all think that you'd won some "victory" in chasing out those with opposing views. |
What is this "victory" of which you speak?
Nobody was trying to win anything......we were just asking you to consider other points of view. Basically, you appeared to not want to hear it.
And NOT sway you into any line of thought, just be aware of other views and not be so quick to ascertain the motivations of others based on possibly erroneous conclusions.
I'm not sure why you seemingly made the whole thing into such a crusade.
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
However, this isn't the first nor, will it be the last time that this will happen as you well know. And, it won't be the last thread where I will have opposing views. |
Well, Geez! I would think not!
Vive le difference!!!
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
There are some that I can think of that I've defended and are the very same members who have pounded on me in this one. K10DGuy and Mousie are two right off the bat. |
Gosh, I sincerely hope that what appears to be you saying that those two pounded you is my misinterpretation.
The only thing I saw from either of them was frustration from misconstrued meaning and points taken completely out of context.
Ed is virtually never confrontational, and the only time I've ever seen Mousie get pointed is when someone goes after him.
Like I said earlier, I really hope that you did get something of value from this thread, otherwise there has been an awful lot of wasted energy on many peoples' part.
There was some pretty terrific insight into different styles and techniques of voting, commenting, and just generally terrific glimpses into the whys and hows of the process.
I know I take some excellent knowledge from the discussion......I hope you did, too,  PhotoInterest.
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02/27/2009 11:08:12 PM · #383 |
I am going to end here in this thread because quite frankly...I'M TIRED. LOL :) It's been a long week in a lot of ways (not just here but, also personally)
So, let's call this an end and I offer up a PEACE TRUCE, ok?
I leave with NO hard feelings or ill will or dislike towards ANY of you at all! I hope that you will leave this thread in feeling the same towards me, not thinking me as some sort of "monster" LOL! I'm really not (as some of you will discover over time in different ways) But, I AM sincerely trying to leave this thread and discussion on a good note with everyone and carefully trying to meter my words so that nothing can be misconstrued as anything other than how they are meant...in a good way.
Having said that, I am sending my very best wishes to all of you! I mean that sincerely and with total honesty and absolutely no sarcasm, other motives, tricks, arrogance or anything else that could be read into it any way, shape or form. LOL Ok?! :)
Have a great weekend all! |
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02/28/2009 08:49:44 AM · #384 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Have a great weekend all! |
There ya go again.......forcing your views on us, telling us what to do......8>)
Have a nice weekend yourself!
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02/28/2009 11:23:05 AM · #385 |
| I'd give this thread a 2. |
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03/01/2009 12:13:20 AM · #386 |
What the heck happened to [user]LizzyH[/user]? Photointerest's sudden defender gets cancelled?
Something fishy here. |
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