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04/26/2004 11:20:18 AM · #1 |
I have been tracking my votes on my last submission and something must not be right... My last submission is consistently receiving votes between 6 and 7. Every once in a while however I get two votes in a row that are 1's. Maybe this is a coincidence but it seems strange.
I discovered it when I noticed that the score would drop significantly in bursts of 2. I calculated it and it equals exactly 2 1̢۪s... Is it possible that someone has more than one account?
I also noticed that all of the last ribbon winners with exception of only 1 all have one '1'. I wonder if this is always the same person... someone that might be trying to vote down the good ones in order to make his/her own submission look better.
Oh well - we're all on the same playing field!
Weird! Hmmm...
Message edited by author 2004-04-26 11:39:56. |
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04/26/2004 11:29:39 AM · #2 |
| Tracking your score seems a futile, but fun, effort. Many people go back and adjust their votes when they get to the end. I do. So a change in your score might also reflect a changed vote, rather than a new one. |
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04/26/2004 11:29:43 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Are_62:
I have been tracking my votes on my last submission and something must not be right... My last submission is consistently receiving votes between 6 and 7. Every once ina while however I get two votes in a row that are 1's. Maybe this is a coincidence but it seems strange.
I discovered it when I noticed that the score would drop significantly in bursts of 2. I calculated it and it equals exactly 2 1̢۪s... Is it possible that someone has more than one account?
I also noticed that all of the last ribbon winners with exception of only 1 all have one '1'. I wonder if this is always the same person... someone that might be trying to vote down the good ones in order to make his/her own submission look better.
Oh well - we're all on the same playing field!
Weird! Hmmm... |
Are you talking about sillouettes? If so, I don't understand: You only have 3 ones, and the majority of votes are 4 and 5, not 6 and 7.
What you are describing sounds like what happened April 1st. But that was a trick of the Sysops. |
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04/26/2004 11:31:30 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Are you talking about sillouettes? If so, I don't understand: You only have 3 ones, and the majority of votes are 4 and 5, not 6 and 7. |
No I am not talking about silhouettes - I deserved only 1's on that one so anyone that voted 2 or higher: Thank you!
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04/26/2004 11:36:37 AM · #5 |
I DO think there are some voters that go through and award low votes to anything they think is even vaguely good but I think they are in the minority.
Mostly I think it's just a case of people reacting very differently to an image, which is every voter's prerogative.
That said, I still don't understand what about my March Free Study entry could have generated a sufficiently bad reaction as to merit 1s and 2s but, hey! I'm sure people who get low scores from me feel the same way!
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04/26/2004 11:46:33 AM · #6 |
The solution would be for users who participate in the particular challenge not to vote,that will maybe preserve inpartiality !
As you said some folks give ones to good photos to push their own higher! |
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04/26/2004 12:13:57 PM · #7 |
I see the point but would imagine it would seriously reduce the number of votes...
Do we have any average statistics on what ratio of votes come from entrants into same challenge as opposed to non entrants?
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04/26/2004 12:30:49 PM · #8 |
I think that with any game or contest there will be cheaters but they will just lose in the long run! A good photograph will recieve a fair vote as well as the bad ones ...........
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04/26/2004 12:43:35 PM · #9 |
| Some people have stated they give one's when they feel something doesn't meet the challenge. However, that's clearly not the case for train's winning sillouette which got a one. How can someone say that doesn't meet the challenge? So it's pretty clear in this case and others that some people are down voting some of the better images in hopes of narrowing the field. (This case is clearer because it's pretty easy and objective to see if something meets the sillouettes challenge; yes there is a gray area, but this pic isn't in it.) (Funny--a gray area to sillouettes!) |
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04/26/2004 04:09:00 PM · #10 |
| It could also be that some people don't read as well as they think they do. It's common in many contests to give the best entry a one and the worst a ten. If a person doesn't read or see the bad and good denoting what end of the scale is high and low then they may inadvertently be giving a score they don't intend. |
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04/26/2004 04:12:34 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
The solution would be for users who participate in the particular challenge not to vote,that will maybe preserve inpartiality !
As you said some folks give ones to good photos to push their own higher! |
But isn't the voting already limited, in this case, to those who are paying members? Assuming most members participate you would be allowing a very small number of people to actually decide the winner. I think I would rather have more votes evening themselves out than to have the opinions of a few decide the results. The fewer the votes the louder the shouts of conspiracy would become. |
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04/26/2004 04:14:47 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Some people have stated they give one's when they feel something doesn't meet the challenge. However, that's clearly not the case for train's winning sillouette which got a one. How can someone say that doesn't meet the challenge? So it's pretty clear in this case and others that some people are down voting some of the better images in hopes of narrowing the field. (This case is clearer because it's pretty easy and objective to see if something meets the sillouettes challenge; yes there is a gray area, but this pic isn't in it.) (Funny--a gray area to sillouettes!) |
That reverse logic does not work. If people vote images a 1 for not meeting the challenge, it does not mean all 1's are for that reasons. And it does not mean there is only one other option left, which you suggest to be "narrowing the field".
Some people might vote 1's because they don't like the image, others because they don't see anything creative, others because it is sharp, others because of nudity, cats, american flags. Who knows ?
I don't vote 1's unless clearly not meeting the challenge, or very very bad. And yes, I am often wondering why high ranking images still collect 1's.
But still, it is their choice, it does not have to be with bad intentions.
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04/26/2004 04:17:16 PM · #13 |
| I agree it is a crime that the top three images received any 1s. However, someone said earlier, it's the cheaters who end up losing in the end. Despite the 1s, these photos still took home ribbons. It probably didn't help the low-baller one bit. That said, I like being able to submit and to vote. In fact, if there were any rule at all, I'd rather see it where you have to submit a photo to vote. I think the votes in the member challenges are more consistent. I sometimes wonder if people are signing up with several hotmail accounts and then voting several times - and giving low marks to really good photos - in an effort to cheat. Prob. only way to solve woudl be to ask everyone to submit something in order to vote (at leas tin the open challenges). Just an idea. I find lately I prefer to compete in member only challenges. I still submit stuff to the open ones, but my preference is for member-only. I get better feedback. |
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04/26/2004 04:28:13 PM · #14 |
I have an idea--I'm sure someone will shoot it down (that's ok):
In addition to showing someone's average vote in their profile, what if there were a tally or histogram such as:
Vote Distribution Across All Challenges:
1's: 10
2's: 24
3's: 44
4's: 400
5's: 600
7's: 800
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etc. (Made those numbers up by the way.) In this way, we can see who's voting pattern follows a normal distribution, and who's doesnt. I am for anonymous voting, but I don't think this is too revealing, since it doesn't show which challenge (might hold statistics until 3 or more challenges voted), and doesn't show who voted for what.
Or we could simply show standard deviation for votes along with the average, which gives one an idea of the distribution or variability of the votes.
Just brainstorming... |
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04/26/2004 04:39:25 PM · #15 |
| To what end? Ok so now you've got a distribution. How does that exactly help you? Seems to me the only thing that would then happen is a future move to prevent that person from voting. |
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04/26/2004 05:03:02 PM · #16 |
How about we just publish our passwords on the profile page so contestants who are unhappy with the way the vote is going can login to various accounts and vote a 10 for themselves.
Or maybe a vote of anything under 5 can automatically trigger a nasty PM to be sent and a big loud zrrrbbbbt sound effect. |
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