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04/26/2004 05:00:56 PM · #51 |
[quote] When I vote, the first criteria is "Does it meet the challenge?" If it does, it is at least a 5. Then, depending on how good it is, it goes up from there. [/quote]
The only problem I find with this, is that some photos meet the challenge, but the voter is not thinking creatively enough or looks too quickly and moves on, and they vote it down. Then, after the challenge is over, they read the explanation, and say "yeah, i see it now, wish i voted higher". This has happened to a few of my photos actually. I got emails from people that said they wished the voted higher for mine, but didn't see the theme portrayed until coming back to the photo later... too much later.
I am unsure about voting based on theme. I sometimes think (when voting): this person obviously must think this photo meets the challenge, and it's their artistic work, so be it. Othertimes, I am like " there is no way this photo is of ________" So, I am best off assuming they meet the challenge, and voting based on the photo quality. I don't expect others to do that, but that's what I do.
Also, I do believe a title is part of a picture. In museums, work has a title or says "untitled". That title is part of the whole picture, and I believe it should be taken into consideration. I always consider it! if we weren't allowed to title our work, it'd be a whole different story!
:) Arie
Message edited by author 2004-04-26 17:16:44. |
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04/26/2004 05:33:46 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by nicoledb:
Originally posted by thelsel:
You should just skip them rather then giving them a lower score. Maybe YOU'RE the one that just doesn't get it. |
If you don't get it, then maybe the photo doesn't communicate its message very well. I always try to see the link to the challenge, but if I don't get it I don't get it. And vote it (slightly) down. |
This is a worldwide community. Sometimes something totally obvious in one part of the world doesn't "communicate" well elsewhere. For instance, I had no idea that showing someone the bottom of your shoe was considered a big disgrace in the Arab world. So, if I saw the bottom of a shoe on an "Insult" challenge, I'd be scratching my head saying "what the F*** does this have to do with this challenge?" So, rather then vote someone down because I don't get it, I just skip it altogether. |
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04/26/2004 06:00:00 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by thelsel:
This is a worldwide community. Sometimes something totally obvious in one part of the world doesn't "communicate" well elsewhere. For instance, I had no idea that showing someone the bottom of your shoe was considered a big disgrace in the Arab world. So, if I saw the bottom of a shoe on an "Insult" challenge, I'd be scratching my head saying "what the F*** does this have to do with this challenge?" So, rather then vote someone down because I don't get it, I just skip it altogether. |
While this is true the goal is to speak to me, the viewer. If the goal was to speak to the photographer you wouldn't need me to vote. You could just look at your photo and tell yourself you won. :) |
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04/26/2004 07:08:33 PM · #54 |
Back several thousand pictures and photographers ago I, and several others would weigh each of several factors in arriving at a final score. My method was to break it all down into categories such as.
Example:
1. Composition 6
2. Technical Aspects 9
3. Meets Challenge 10
4. Originality 5
Average Score 8
I received a bunch of PM's from people that really appreciated this method. At the time it took a lot of time and a lot of server space so I eventually quit.
I have expressed in the past a still feel that the site should adopt a system similar to this as it both serves as a fair way to vote and it gives the photographer a feel for what the voter actually saw when they spent their 2-5 seconds on it.
Dick
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04/26/2004 07:21:21 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by autool:
Back several thousand pictures and photographers ago I, and several others would weigh each of several factors in arriving at a final score. My method was to break it all down into categories such as.
Example:
1. Composition 6
2. Technical Aspects 9
3. Meets Challenge 10
4. Originality 5
Average Score 8
I received a bunch of PM's from people that really appreciated this method. At the time it took a lot of time and a lot of server space so I eventually quit.
I have expressed in the past a still feel that the site should adopt a system similar to this as it both serves as a fair way to vote and it gives the photographer a feel for what the voter actually saw when they spent their 2-5 seconds on it.
Dick |
I really like that voting theme also. I think its a great way to show what you do and don't like about a photo just with the vote itself. Suggestions like this have come up several times in the past and it seems like the voter doesn't want to spend the extra few clicks and extra few seconds to evaluate a photo at multiple levels.
A voting system of this nature WOULD take more time to use. But the feedback from it would be so much more beneficial to the photographer. I would expand it like this:
Vote 1-10 on each of these elements:
1. Subject (how much do you like the subject choice)
2. Technical (how well is this photograph executed)
3. Composition (how well is the subject(s) placed and framed)
4. Color or lack of (how well does the color or lack of color enhance the image)
5. Creativity (how creative is this photo)
6. Emotional/Aesthetic Impact (how much does this photo affect you in these ways)
7. Challenge (how well does the photo meet the challenge)
The voter could even choose a method of voting. We could choose a single score method or the multi-tiered voting. The multi-tiered voting would be averaged into a single score rounding to the nearest whole number.
A nice breakdown of the multi-tiered votes after the challenge would be beneficial in letting the photographer know what parts of his image were and weren't effective.
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04/26/2004 07:29:39 PM · #56 |
John,
I think you are kind of pie in the sky with so many topics, not that they all shouldn't be included. My observation is that voters spend less ans less time studying the picture with each challenge. I know I do, I want to look at all of them in the big size, so I end up just giving them a haphazard vote based on a short examination. It's not fair but that is it for me. If you could reduce your topics down the just a few, then the voter could click,click,click and be done with it. This would take less time than writing a comment, but it should still be an option.
Dick |
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04/26/2004 07:42:45 PM · #57 |
I'm sure multi-tiered voting has been mentioned before but I can't point to a specific thread(s). Personally, I think it's a great idea and a very fair way to vote. Hopefully SC gets behind it.
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04/26/2004 07:50:22 PM · #58 |
Catering to the lazy, desinterested or preoccupied does little for photography, IMHO.
Message edited by author 2004-04-26 21:33:40.
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04/26/2004 07:53:23 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Catering to a lazy, desinterested or preoccupied does little for photography, IMHO. |
This goes right over my head, could you explain for this old country boy.
:<) |
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04/26/2004 08:09:05 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Catering to a lazy, desinterested or preoccupied does little for photography, IMHO. |
I agree. The majority still rules tho. |
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04/26/2004 08:11:35 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Catering to a lazy, desinterested or preoccupied does little for photography, IMHO. |
I agree. The majority still rules tho. |
So ... to follow the logic out, DPC is bad for photography? |
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04/26/2004 08:16:13 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Catering to a lazy, desinterested or preoccupied does little for photography, IMHO. |
I agree. The majority still rules tho. |
So ... to follow the logic out, DPC is bad for photography? |
I'm still confused. I would say catering to a lazy,desinterested or preoccupied does little for anything, but how is this directed. |
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04/26/2004 08:18:24 PM · #63 |
What about a system with two votes per picture:
On a scale of 1-10, how well did this picture represent the challenge?
On a scale of 1-10, how well was this picture executed technically (composition, focus, use of color or lack of color, DOF, WOW factor, etc.)? <--probably need to be wordsmithed, but you get the idea...
Then the two scores are averaged for a final, overall score. All three numbers would be available for the photographer afterwards. |
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04/26/2004 08:26:24 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Although some photos do not very clearly communicate how they meet the challenge, I have only seen TWO photos in my entire time here on DPC that did not meet the challenge.
That's right. TWO. In 88 challenges in which I've voted.
TWO. |
I'm with David on this one. If the photographer says it meets the challenge, I am not arrogant enough to say that I know better than the person who took the shot. |
Have a little more faith in yourself. :) |
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04/26/2004 08:29:16 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by boomer:
What about a system with two votes per picture:
On a scale of 1-10, how well did this picture represent the challenge?
On a scale of 1-10, how well was this picture executed technically (composition, focus, use of color or lack of color, DOF, WOW factor, etc.)? <--probably need to be wordsmithed, but you get the idea...
Then the two scores are averaged for a final, overall score. All three numbers would be available for the photographer afterwards. |
That's for sure the right idea. I would like to see more categories, It would help make the voter be more responsible for their vote. It could be written to kick a vote out if it was all ones. At least I would think very few pictures would fit into the 1,1,1,1, category. |
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04/26/2004 08:35:39 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by spiller:
While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.
I am just wondering what people would normally rate a good shot but one that doesn't meet the challenge topic in your opinion. |
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04/26/2004 08:36:06 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
It takes two to communicate. If he/she communicates clearly and if I have the facilities to perceive his/her essence, all is fine. If I lack those facilities, all is lost, no matter how articulate and topical his entry.
I'll be damned if I judge someone's action based on my own ignorance. |
While your point on communication is valid, doesn't your conclusion ultimately leave you only one choice, as Scott Wilson pointed out: vote every picture a 10. Any vote of less than 10 opens the possibility that whatever criteria you used to lower your score might have been intentional on the photographer's part, and its only your supposed ignorance that keeps you from understanding. |
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05/05/2004 03:17:10 PM · #68 |
One of the things I love about dpchallenge is the range of experience of the photographers on site. I have learned so much reading the comments of challenge submissions. I vote my competence - I know what I think looks good and what I believe fits the topic. The more I am educated on photography, the more I start leaving more constructive comments, and take into consideration on voting.
For higher scores, I also need to see the tie to the topic. If for the "orange" challenge someone submits something blue, I will rate 5 or under depending on the quality of the photo. For "on topic" pics, I vote 1 to 10 depending on pretty much what everyone else have written in this thread/ forum. |
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