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01/05/2009 09:57:30 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by AperturePriority:
Don't get me wrong. I agree that we should be able to take legal photos of train (airplanes, etc.), but the cops were being cautious. Their city, by the way, was terrorized before and almost 3000 people lost their lives. |
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin |
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01/05/2009 10:38:12 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by AperturePriority:
Don't get me wrong. I agree that we should be able to take legal photos of train (airplanes, etc.), but the cops were being cautious. Their city, by the way, was terrorized before and almost 3000 people lost their lives. |
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin |
... and that would be the same Mr. Franlin that owned slaves.
Ray |
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01/05/2009 10:53:09 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by AperturePriority:
Don't get me wrong. I agree that we should be able to take legal photos of train (airplanes, etc.), but the cops were being cautious. Their city, by the way, was terrorized before and almost 3000 people lost their lives. |
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin |
... and that would be the same Mr. Franklin that owned slaves.
Ray |
As did many of the Founding Fathers.
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01/05/2009 10:55:12 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
All the rest of the crap we put up with today is what law enforcement personell generally know as "showing the flag". |
Yes, and the same is true of most politicians, only they usually call it "doing something about the problem" or "fighting the war on ". The sheep eat it up and bleat for more.
Originally posted by fir3bird:
I personally knew my country was in trouble when I saw a new department created that subverted all other intelligence and law enforcement agencies. When it was named "Homeland" I just shook my head with disbelief. |
I also felt a huge sadness and total disbelief when I first learned of it. I get angry every time I think of it too. I'm not yet ashamed of being an American, but it's certainly headed that way. It sucks!
As for Amtrak, I hope the cops involved are successfully prosecuted (yeah, and I'll be selling snow cone concessions in hell), and I hope Amtrak is forced to pay ma$$ive reparation$ to their victim.
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01/05/2009 10:55:26 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
and this statement can be supported by empirical evidence, or is this mere supposition on your part.
Ray |
Everyone I have run across thinks his sh!t don't stink.
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01/05/2009 11:01:33 AM · #31 |
Not to turn this into a slavery topic and not to remotely seem like I support any form of slavery, however...
Owning slaves is something. However it is not said under the condition these slaves came to be slaves, their living condition, treatment, or any other privledges and rights their "owner" may have bestowed upon them.
The reason I bring that up is because often poverty and modern work can be called slavery. People living paycheck to paycheck working two jobs unable to find time for an education, unable to advance in their workplace, scared to look for work that a call for a reference will get them fired, unable to save up enough to live on until they can find new work and even then they will be paid by their education which they have been unable to improve.
A lot of people are living like that, it isn't called slavery because they initially applied for work, however between the choice of working to live, and living to die what real choice do they have?
It always gets my pants in a bind when someone brings up slavery as if we have somehow escaped it and placed it in the past. As long as food costs money, and money requires work, there will be those who exploit the working. Chains or starvation, black or white, it really doesn't make much of a difference to me anyway.
Continue on folks...
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01/05/2009 11:15:38 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
and this statement can be supported by empirical evidence, or is this mere supposition on your part.
Ray |
Everyone I have run across thinks his sh!t don't stink. |
That truly is a sad statement. Perhaps you might consider volunteering with one of your local law enforcement agencies...you might actually get to meet some folks that don't fall within your seemingly skewed perspective.
Ray |
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01/05/2009 11:29:24 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
That truly is a sad statement. Perhaps you might consider volunteering with one of your local law enforcement agencies...you might actually get to meet some folks that don't fall within your seemingly skewed perspective.
Ray |
My local law enforcement has nothing to do with rent-a-cops. I have nothing but the utmost respect for police officers and the job they do. Maybe you are confused or didn't read enough to realize I am refering to private security.
Message edited by author 2009-01-05 11:31:54.
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01/05/2009 11:47:10 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by AperturePriority:
Don't get me wrong. I agree that we should be able to take legal photos of train (airplanes, etc.), but the cops were being cautious. Their city, by the way, was terrorized before and almost 3000 people lost their lives. |
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin |
... and that would be the same Mr. Franlin that owned slaves.
Ray |
Ray-For the record, Franklin owned slaves but became and staunch abolitionists and started a group called Pennsylvania Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery, the Relief of Free Negroes Unlawfully held in Bondage and for Improving the Condition of the African Race.
He could have worked bit on the title but it stands.
Read here...
Message edited by author 2009-01-05 11:59:04. |
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01/05/2009 10:58:22 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin |
... and that would be the same Mr. Franlin that owned slaves.
Ray |
Ray-For the record, Franklin owned slaves but became and staunch abolitionists and started a group called Pennsylvania Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery, the Relief of Free Negroes Unlawfully held in Bondage and for Improving the Condition of the African Race.
He could have worked bit on the title but it stands.
Read here... |
I was aware of that fact Steve... I just found it somewhat interesting that someone would make a comment about liberty when they effectively owned people and that these were considered chattel.
Ray
Message edited by author 2009-01-05 23:00:00. |
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01/06/2009 02:35:26 AM · #36 |
The contest for 2009 ended in the Summer of 2008 and I haven't found any annoucement yet for a 2010 contest from Amtrak.
With regards to the 2009 contest Amtrak'ss own warning:
Safety First
Contestants are reminded to stay away from tracks, moving trains, yards, railroad structures (such as bridges, trestles, towers and wires) and the railroad right-of-way. Photographers must not trespass on railroad property or on private property adjacent to the railroad. Stay in public access areas such as stations, sidewalks or parking lots. All participants agree to assume the risk of harm and release Amtrak from all liability for personal injury and loss of property. Photographers are reminded that railroad tracks, trestles, yards and equipment are private property and that trespassers are subject to arrest and fines. Some stations served by Amtrak trains require advance permission for photography. Always obey all local rules and laws.
I think there's a lot of information being left out in what's being circulated on the internet with regards to Duane's arrest. I think there's probable cause to believe he was trespassing and the police were doing the best job possible. |
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01/06/2009 02:57:05 AM · #37 |
good thing the photographer wasnt a minority, or the news reporters would have a field day
Message edited by author 2009-01-06 02:57:16. |
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01/06/2009 09:58:39 AM · #38 |
I met  Skip one Sunday morning at Amtrak's 30th Street Station in Philly for the miniest of GTG's a few years back. We wanted to shoot inside the station and Skip asked the station master if it were OK. We were told fine in the main building but not on any of the train platforms. |
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