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01/03/2009 06:37:28 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by kivgaen:
Maybe I'm too generous, but what I've basically been doing is starting out with a vote of 5 (average) and then moving the slider up or down depending on what I notice in the shot...Am I being too generous giving most people basically a 5?
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Opposite of too generous. Five is half way between zero and ten. The DPC voting scale does not start at zero, but instead starts at one. The half way mark between one and ten is five and a half. Notice that it is impossible to register a vote by clicking between the five and the six. Since five is below the midpoint of the scale, you possibly are being harsher than you intend if that is your anchor. Also notice that the scale runs from (bad) to (good) rather than from (worst possible) to (best possible). That gets ignored in the voting, so the scale gets compressed, with the ends of the scale being used much less than the middle numbers.
Over time, your profile page will show your cummulative average across all votes given. If your average drifts down to four or below, you probably should recalibrate. Same thing if your average lands at seven or above. Given the outstanding quality of many DPC images, voting a somewhat higher average may be more reasonable than voting a somewhat lower average.
Feel free to vote generously to overgenerously. There is nothing wrong with that and it doesn't cost you anything at all. And, if you are consistent in your evaluations and vote on the majority of images each time, you won't shift rank order adversely by doing so.
Message edited by author 2009-01-03 18:37:46. |
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01/03/2009 06:42:04 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by bob350:
Also notice that the scale runs from (bad) to (good) rather than from (worst possible) to (best possible). That gets ignored in the voting, so the scale gets compressed, with the ends of the scale being used much less than the middle numbers. |
I have a personal theory that some of the extremely low and high votes come from people that vote more on a scale of don't like <-->like, so even a great shot will get some of those low votes if it does not have personal appeal.
Message edited by author 2009-01-03 18:42:19. |
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01/03/2009 06:51:32 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by bob350:
Also notice that the scale runs from (bad) to (good) rather than from (worst possible) to (best possible). That gets ignored in the voting, so the scale gets compressed, with the ends of the scale being used much less than the middle numbers. |
I have a personal theory that some of the extremely low and high votes come from people that vote more on a scale of don't like <-->like, so even a great shot will get some of those low votes if it does not have personal appeal. |
this is really true but there is another aspect of photography that you must see. if a good photo (from technical point of view) doesn't an emotion probably isn't really a great photo. photography is obviously subjective and the emotive content of a photo could change following the mood of the persons. there is always a casual effect in the votes. |
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01/03/2009 07:35:55 PM · #29 |
| I give the naked girls a 10. Just kidding :-) |
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01/03/2009 07:39:16 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by indianzfan:
I give the naked girls a 10. Just kidding :-) |
mmmmmmmm........mmmmmmmmm..........mmmmmmmm........mmmmmmmmm..........mmmmmmmm........mmmmmmmmm.......... |
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01/03/2009 07:39:52 PM · #31 |
| If I think a photo should be in first place, I give it a 1. Second place gets 2, etc... All the way down to what I consider the worst photos, which I vote in joint tenth place (10) |
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01/03/2009 07:54:58 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by JH:
If I think a photo should be in first place, I give it a 1. Second place gets 2, etc... All the way down to what I consider the worst photos, which I vote in joint tenth place (10) |
hmmm... interesting strategy -- perhas I should adopt this technique as well :) |
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01/04/2009 03:11:58 PM · #33 |
Forgive me if this one has already been covered but a friend of mine told me that he thought that if someone votes everyone a 1 in order to improve their own position that DPC removes these votes at the end of voting.
Is this true or has he made this up?
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01/04/2009 03:15:49 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Forgive me if this one has already been covered but a friend of mine told me that he thought that if someone votes everyone a 1 in order to improve their own position that DPC removes these votes at the end of voting.
Is this true or has he made this up? |
I hope it's true. They should also be kicked off the site, idiots! |
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01/04/2009 04:16:52 PM · #35 |
| I believe it's true. The vote scrubber removes those that are clearly not a fair voting pattern as well as the votes of anyone that votes under 20% of the challenge. If you check your score and vote count just before rollover, you will find that you usually lose some votes at rollover and the score goes slightly up or down. |
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01/04/2009 04:37:54 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by indianzfan:
I give the naked girls a 10. Just kidding :-) |
That's ok, I give them a 1 so it balances out. Not kidding ;) |
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01/05/2009 04:55:53 PM · #37 |
Hi all
Just joined and so far i've voted on two challenges. I worked out a voting criteria with the 1-10 scoring system but after reading some of the comments on here i may revise it. What i've been giving is...
1-3 : Technically very bad shots.
4-6 : Maybe technically good but lacking in other departments. No oomph! Photo doesn't grasp me.
7-9 : Very good shots. Technically excellent and wonderful subject matter.
Once i've voted for all photos i've then gone back through the 8s again and had a closer look. Shots that really grab me and stand out from that selection i have bumped up to join the 9s. I've then gone through the 9s making comments on each photo. Finally i've chosen what i feel is the best photo in the challenge and given that a 10.
So in every challenge there will always be a 10 and no 10 is judged against any other 10 in another challenge. Like i said, after reading peoples other criteria and scoring i'll probably change this to something that may fit in with other peoples ideas.
Regards |
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01/05/2009 05:05:32 PM · #38 |
| Oh yea, one thing i will do is post more comments throughout the challenge instead of just my top shots. |
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01/05/2009 05:11:27 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Just joined and so far i've voted on two challenges. I worked out a voting criteria with the 1-10 scoring system but after reading some of the comments on here i may revise it. What i've been giving is... |
More or less along the same lines as most of us. I think the biggest difference is some variation on the 5 and 6's. May I offer however, the idea of commenting not on the awesome shots that will probably get plenty of other comments, but instead on those you vote 4 and 5. Those are the ones where the other member is thinking they have a good entry and nobody will tell them why its only doing so-so. Believe it or not, that is appreciated by *most* members here. I know that I am grateful when someone helps me to understand why my "masterpiece" is not doing well. |
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01/05/2009 05:19:50 PM · #40 |
| Will do, yospiff. It's certainly something i'd appreciate when i start entering challenges. The site seems like a fantastic way to learn and improve your game and decent constructive criticism is a large part of that. |
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01/05/2009 07:39:12 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
and decent constructive criticism is a large part of that. |
...and the person leaving the constructive criticism probably learns more. It makes you stop to consider why you find a photo to be only ok, rather than great or lousy. You then come away with things you can apply to your own photography. (And one day my average score will reflect all those lessons!)
Message edited by author 2009-01-05 19:40:44. |
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01/05/2009 07:55:40 PM · #42 |
RE: How do you base your votes?
Originally posted by kivgaen:
What is your rating process? |
read 25 years of LIFE Magazine before the age of 7 then read them again. |
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01/05/2009 07:59:11 PM · #43 |
| i vote a 10 to all photos during the 1st 6 days of voting so those score watchers would get some kinda high. then on the last day of voting, i corrected all those votes to reflect my real score :P (nah, just kidding!) |
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01/05/2009 08:01:46 PM · #44 |
| I would like to confirm this, as for myself I was having such a hard time with making comments on the 1-7 range (actually I hardly give 1-3's and I am trying to comment on those as well)...but once I started making the effort to comment on those, and sucked up my fears of insulting anyone... The result was I started looking at my pictures differently and I was picking up on editing techniques (thank you Yospiff and TheStick for answering all my "stupid" huh questions...) I am really starting to enjoy this site alot...learned several things in the past couple of days...and mostly from comments - both given and taken.... |
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01/05/2009 08:13:15 PM · #45 |
I do a once-through and rate virtually everything into the 4, 5, or 6 buckets. An average (no glaring flaws, meets the challenge, but isn't all that interesting) gets a 5. One that is technically weak in some way drops to a 4, one that stands out gets a 6. Obvious DNMC or really, really bad shots go directly to 3. They have to be intentionally offensive or in poor taste to fall below that. I then go through and review the 6's and push the top ones up to 7 and 8. I sometimes push a 4 down to a 3, but that's not very common.
Amazing shots will get a 9 or 10, but I don't give them out very often - one or two in a free-study or a challenge with a large # of entries.
I try to end up with an average vote of 5.5, which is the midpoint on our scale. |
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01/05/2009 08:20:19 PM · #46 |
As you have seen by now, each person has their own perspective on voting.
Here's how I do it.
How well does it meet the challenge: 0 - 2 points
Technical merit: 0 - 3 points
Creativity: 0 - 3 points
How well I like the image personally: 0 - 3 points
So in theory a really great image that I liked a lot, could still get an 8 from me, even if it didn't come close to meeting the challenge. However, I like the ones that meet the challenge best, so it is realistically more like a best of 6 - 7, if it doesn't meet challenge.
But, at the same time, if it was something that I personally did not care for,(Think offended sensibilities), and it was an otherwise stellar photo that met the challenge, I would vote it a 7.
I try to be open minded about interpretations of the challenge. However, if you are not going to try to be creative with the shoehorn, then I'm not likely to be amused.
I rarely vote a 1. It would have to not meet challenge, and be devoid of almost any merit on any basis.
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