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01/14/2009 08:54:14 AM · #101 |
| they value the anonymity of the challenges. |
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01/14/2009 09:36:38 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by karmat:
they value the anonymity of the challenges. |
Just my opinion, but valuing anonymity still doesn't seem like a good enough reason for down voting on this sole basis - but people have different takes on these things I suppose.
I think the only anonymity I would value is my own. |
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01/14/2009 10:09:14 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by karmat:
they value the anonymity of the challenges. |
I'm with Rainbow on this one. I don't see how that should affect the score of a photograph. |
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01/14/2009 10:23:27 AM · #104 |
| I think it has less to do with anonymity and more to do with pre-screening images for higher scores. In other words, someone uploads every single image he takes in 2008. One in particular gets tons of views, favs, and comments. He enters that one in the Best of. A voter then sees it in the challenge and remembers that it was a very popular portfolio image. At this point, some voters will give lower scores to punish the photographer for using his portfolio to pre-determine the relative popularity of his images. |
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01/14/2009 10:30:20 AM · #105 |
| as well as getting advice on editing, feedback, etc. |
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01/14/2009 10:47:04 AM · #106 |
| Both good points but also keep in mind that some of us never know how a shot will be received (or we'd perhaps not have posted it in the first place and saved it for a FS or something) and feedback can only be considered a good thing. It harkens back to the "learning aspect" of the site, I think. There will be a handful of serious contenders for the top votes - gorgeous shots that will oooh and aah and they will receive their due recognition. For the rest of us, though, it's an opportunity to simply showcase what we think is our best or most representative work, or just something we really, really like. I don't think any of our scores will affect those who will rise to the top. :-) |
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01/14/2009 10:53:53 AM · #107 |
| I agree, Deb. I think the kind of voter I was talking about is in a pretty small minority. I think the kind of person that pre-screens images to enter what he thinks will then get the highest score is in a pretty small minority too, but those anti-portfolio image voters don't seem to discriminate. If they've seen it before, down it goes. |
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01/14/2009 11:16:27 AM · #108 |
Originally posted by Rainbow-Coloured-Soul:
Just my personal opinion, but why on earth would someone vote down a shot only because they knew who had done it. It doesn't make logical sense to me and it reeks of unfair play.
If I see any shots I recognise from anyone's portfolios they will get a rating based on my opinion of the shot, not of the user. |
I think people won't vote down because they know who the entrant is, they may vote down because it's already won a ribbon and the shot is virtually identical. We don't necessarily want to see a rehash of previous ribbon winners at the top. |
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01/14/2009 11:23:01 AM · #109 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Rainbow-Coloured-Soul:
Just my personal opinion, but why on earth would someone vote down a shot only because they knew who had done it. It doesn't make logical sense to me and it reeks of unfair play.
If I see any shots I recognise from anyone's portfolios they will get a rating based on my opinion of the shot, not of the user. |
I think people won't vote down because they know who the entrant is, they may vote down because it's already won a ribbon and the shot is virtually identical. We don't necessarily want to see a rehash of previous ribbon winners at the top. |
Well, I'm safe :-) Nobody's gonna know my image is mine until the voting's over... It's never been exposed to the world, and it's not my typical shot either.
R.
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01/14/2009 11:29:22 AM · #110 |
This all seems pretty petty to me. An image should be rated based on it's quality, both technically and artistically.
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
One in particular gets tons of views, favs, and comments. He enters that one in the Best of. A voter then sees it in the challenge and remembers that it was a very popular portfolio image. At this point, some voters will give lower scores to punish the photographer for using his portfolio to pre-determine the relative popularity of his images. |
Why should one be punished for submitting an image which is popular? Is that not the point of a "Best of Challenge"?
Originally posted by karmat:
as well as getting advice on editing, feedback, etc. |
Is that not what this site is for? To get feedback and improve your photographs? I really don't understand the logic here.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Rainbow-Coloured-Soul:
Just my personal opinion, but why on earth would someone vote down a shot only because they knew who had done it. It doesn't make logical sense to me and it reeks of unfair play.
If I see any shots I recognise from anyone's portfolios they will get a rating based on my opinion of the shot, not of the user. |
I think people won't vote down because they know who the entrant is, they may vote down because it's already won a ribbon and the shot is virtually identical. We don't necessarily want to see a rehash of previous ribbon winners at the top. |
Again, is it not "Best of 2008"? Why not pit the best photos of the year against each other to see which one comes out on top?
Yes there may be a reason I am touchy to the subject, but my opinion would be the same either way. Fairness is my mantra. |
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01/14/2009 01:24:07 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by jeger:
Originally posted by karmat:
as well as getting advice on editing, feedback, etc. |
Is that not what this site is for? To get feedback and improve your photographs? I really don't understand the logic here.
Again, is it not "Best of 2008"? Why not pit the best photos of the year against each other to see which one comes out on top?
Yes there may be a reason I am touchy to the subject, but my opinion would be the same either way. Fairness is my mantra. |
(disclaimor, not necessarily my opinion, . . . . . .)
Then why don't we have an open forum each week during submission so that people can critique and make suggestions before the final entry?
Or, instead of allowing everyone to enter, why not just make a challenge out of the ribbon-winners and we vote again? |
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01/14/2009 02:17:04 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Or, instead of allowing everyone to enter, why not just make a challenge out of the ribbon-winners and we vote again? |
Heh! Don't suggest this - Irene would have to resubmit a year's worth of challenges. It would take her all day! :-) |
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01/14/2009 02:25:13 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by karmat:
Or, instead of allowing everyone to enter, why not just make a challenge out of the ribbon-winners and we vote again? |
Heh! Don't suggest this - Irene would have to resubmit a year's worth of challenges. It would take her all day! :-) |
hahahahah. maybe that would keep her too busy to enter any of the current ones!!! |
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01/14/2009 07:42:23 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by jeger:
Again, is it not "Best of 2008"? Why not pit the best photos of the year against each other to see which one comes out on top? |
You mean include previous challenge entries/ribbon winners as well? I actually wouldn't mind seeing that. Not only would it be fun to see how different ribbon winners matched up against each other as well as other favorites and underrated shots but in addition it would provide an opportunity for more learning. That ribbon you won in Plates and Spoons (a made up challenge) was that photo really as good as the score suggests? How would it do if the challenge theme was stripped away and the image had to rely on just the presentation/concept/substance, which is more important in the real world? Maybe it still does well. Maybe it doesn't. Regardless, there's the opportunity to gain additional insight. Any feedback would be from those not viewing your image through the lens of a challenge theme.
Message edited by author 2009-01-14 19:43:22. |
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01/15/2009 11:29:17 AM · #115 |
I'm in! With hours to spare, no less.
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01/15/2009 02:06:30 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Rainbow-Coloured-Soul:
Just my personal opinion, but why on earth would someone vote down a shot only because they knew who had done it. It doesn't make logical sense to me and it reeks of unfair play.
If I see any shots I recognise from anyone's portfolios they will get a rating based on my opinion of the shot, not of the user. |
I think people won't vote down because they know who the entrant is, they may vote down because it's already won a ribbon and the shot is virtually identical. We don't necessarily want to see a rehash of previous ribbon winners at the top. |
With monthly Free Studies I think the Best Of challenges are no longer required. You'd think that the best shot from each month was entered into that months FS so the entries for the Best Of will either be a rehash or a "second best" shot. That's just my 2 cents. |
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01/15/2009 02:17:54 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Rainbow-Coloured-Soul:
Just my personal opinion, but why on earth would someone vote down a shot only because they knew who had done it. It doesn't make logical sense to me and it reeks of unfair play.
If I see any shots I recognise from anyone's portfolios they will get a rating based on my opinion of the shot, not of the user. |
I think people won't vote down because they know who the entrant is, they may vote down because it's already won a ribbon and the shot is virtually identical. We don't necessarily want to see a rehash of previous ribbon winners at the top. |
With monthly Free Studies I think the Best Of challenges are no longer required. You'd think that the best shot from each month was entered into that months FS so the entries for the Best Of will either be a rehash or a "second best" shot. That's just my 2 cents. |
Not necessarily. For one month, I had two shots I really, really like. They didn't "fit" any challenge at that time. One of them went to the monthly FS, the other was set aside for Best of.
Another possibility is that someone isn't a member here for a full year to enter all the free studies.
For people in the FSM, they may enter the highest scoring shot in a monthly free study, but save their favorite for best of.
and so on. |
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01/15/2009 03:30:53 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by yanko:
You mean include previous challenge entries/ribbon winners as well? I actually wouldn't mind seeing that. Not only would it be fun to see how different ribbon winners matched up against each other as well as other favorites and underrated shots but in addition it would provide an opportunity for more learning. That ribbon you won in Plates and Spoons (a made up challenge) was that photo really as good as the score suggests? . . . . |
Oooooooh. . . I like that idea. Or maybe sometime just have a special challenge where people enter one of their ribbons and see how it fares. Could be verrrrrrrry interesting :) |
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01/15/2009 03:42:43 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Rainbow-Coloured-Soul:
Just my personal opinion, but why on earth would someone vote down a shot only because they knew who had done it. It doesn't make logical sense to me and it reeks of unfair play.
If I see any shots I recognise from anyone's portfolios they will get a rating based on my opinion of the shot, not of the user. |
I think people won't vote down because they know who the entrant is, they may vote down because it's already won a ribbon and the shot is virtually identical. We don't necessarily want to see a rehash of previous ribbon winners at the top. |
With monthly Free Studies I think the Best Of challenges are no longer required. You'd think that the best shot from each month was entered into that months FS so the entries for the Best Of will either be a rehash or a "second best" shot. That's just my 2 cents. |
Not necessarily. For one month, I had two shots I really, really like. They didn't "fit" any challenge at that time. One of them went to the monthly FS, the other was set aside for Best of.
Another possibility is that someone isn't a member here for a full year to enter all the free studies.
For people in the FSM, they may enter the highest scoring shot in a monthly free study, but save their favorite for best of.
and so on. |
I've got to agree with Karma.
Message edited by author 2009-01-15 21:32:47. |
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01/15/2009 03:55:05 PM · #120 |
| I'm pretty sure mine isn't my best of 08, but it is one that was bumped in favor of a FS entry. Good luck all! |
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01/15/2009 04:20:11 PM · #121 |
I'm wavering about entering (didn't bother last year), and what to enter if I do . . but not to worry I've still got a couple of hours to be indecisive . . I think
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01/15/2009 04:31:35 PM · #122 |
My logic is this: why hang onto a peach of a shot for best of, when a) the competition may be stronger than a normal FS, and b) you have a greater chance of winning a normal FS! Also, what happens if you take another shot that's better in the proceeding months, you waste an opportunity to win (or do well!) with that shot.
I can understand some people may not neccessarily enter challenges to win ribbons, but if that's your intent, then saving for best of, is in my opinion a wasted opportunity, unless you really do have something very special, in which case, the kudos of winnig best of the year far outweighs all other challenges! But come on, nobody really ever knows how well an entry will do anyway...do you?! lol |
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01/15/2009 04:40:19 PM · #123 |
Well, mine is in...and I'm certain you all will find me worthy of the BROWN!
::plucks at flower petals::
Submit...Unsubmit...Submit...Unsubmit... |
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01/15/2009 04:55:47 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by Caravela:
My logic is this: why hang onto a peach of a shot for best of, when a) the competition may be stronger than a normal FS, and b) you have a greater chance of winning a normal FS! Also, what happens if you take another shot that's better in the proceeding months, you waste an opportunity to win (or do well!) with that shot.
I can understand some people may not neccessarily enter challenges to win ribbons, but if that's your intent, then saving for best of, is in my opinion a wasted opportunity, unless you really do have something very special, in which case, the kudos of winnig best of the year far outweighs all other challenges! But come on, nobody really ever knows how well an entry will do anyway...do you?! lol |
What if the actual picture was taken in the last few days of the year? |
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01/15/2009 04:57:15 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Well, mine is in...and I'm certain you all will find me worthy of the BROWN!
::plucks at flower petals::
Submit...Unsubmit...Submit...Unsubmit... |
jus'enteritalready
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