Head-to-head to-the-death knockout-a-thon, anyone?

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12/19/2008 02:26:34 PM · #101

Just reworded a few bits. I've added the scenario where a member is playing a registered user, which was raised before. In that scenario the average taken will only span those challenges both are eligible to enter.

Just to clarify, all challenges count for the tourney. In matches where a member is playing a registered user, in practice only the open challenges will be eligible for head-to-heads.

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12/19/2008 02:37:01 PM · #102

Originally posted by dainmcgowan:

is it still the plan to start on 1st Jan??

as i said in a previous post, it makes more sense to start on the 7th Jan and run it monthly to the 7th each month after that.
this monthly cycle makes it easier for the free study scores to count as well!

anybody agree???

As round 1 officially starts on 1 Jan, one calendar month after that is 1st Feb. Therefore, for any 1 round matches that haven't got to 2 points by the morning of 1st Feb, any challenges that are still in voting will be allowed to run their course including, by that point, the Jan Free Study. and the average will then come into play. This of course means we won't know who the winner is immediately.

I'm hoping therefore that most matches won't run a month or we could be here for a while ;-)

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12/19/2008 02:46:09 PM · #103

Originally posted by SoulMan1978:

You've both got a point there. I've expanded and changed the rule slightly (see the first post) The basic thrust of which is the average must be of at least two challenges. How's that?

I've just made a further change to say that, in rounds 2 onwards, when the average will be of all your challenges from round 1 onwards, it will only apply if you've entered two or more challenges in the current round.

This will hopefully protect us from the scenario whereby, let's say a photographer has a good round 1 and gets a couple of high 6s, and wins a place in round 2. Otherwise they might decide not to enter any matches in any rounds after that, knowing that at the end of each round their average from the start of round 1 will be taken, which of course is of the couple of high 6s in round 1. This would pretty much guarantee them winning every match after that. This now isn't possible as, if they didn't enter at all during the month, then their all-time average would be used as a final tie-breaker.

Message edited by author 2008-12-19 14:46:45.

vlado

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12/19/2008 05:57:48 PM · #104

NOW I'm confused.

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12/20/2008 05:16:42 AM · #105

Originally posted by vlado:

NOW I'm confused.

Lol sorry. Any part in particular?

limerick

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12/20/2008 09:08:19 AM · #106

Originally posted by SoulMan1978:

I dont know what this means but I think it could mean that I can only enter basic editing challenges and someone against me can enter advanced editing challenges giving them more of an advantage. If this is the rule then I will just do my best and enter and let the cookie crumble but I dont really have hope that I will last long in the contest being against advanced editing.

Message edited by author 2008-12-20 09:08:41.

12/20/2008 11:50:23 AM · #107

Originally posted by limerick:

Originally posted by SoulMan1978:
Just reworded a few bits. I've added the scenario where a member is playing a registered user, which was raised before. In that scenario the average taken will only span those challenges both are eligible to enter.

Just to clarify, all challenges count for the tourney. In matches where a member is playing a registered user, in practice only the open challenges will be eligible for head-to-heads.

I dont know what this means but I think it could mean that I can only enter basic editing challenges and someone against me can enter advanced editing challenges giving them more of an advantage. If this is the rule then I will just do my best and enter and let the cookie crumble but I dont really have hope that I will last long in the contest being against advanced editing.

My interpretation is that if you as a registered user (cannot enter member's challenges, only basic) are playing against someone that is a member, that the member can enter the member's challenges as well as the basic. However for the purpose of the head to head, only the basic challenges would count towards earning the point and only if you both entered a basic challenge during the same week. (two points needed to advance) If a member is playing a member then the member's challenges also count if they are both entered in the same one, as well as the basic challenges if they both enter one in the same week.

So you are not disadvantaged in any way. It just means that when a member plays off against another member there is more chances (more challenges) they can enter to go head to head against each other.

ETA: I would look at it as the member's being disadvantaged when playing a registered user, since most of us that are members enjoy and are used to using the extra editing available, but when we play a registered user we can no longer use one of our skills. (advanced editing)

Message edited by author 2008-12-20 11:52:53.

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12/20/2008 01:02:54 PM · #108

Originally posted by basssman7:

ETA: I would look at it as the member's being disadvantaged when playing a registered user, since most of us that are members enjoy and are used to using the extra editing available, but when we play a registered user we can no longer use one of our skills. (advanced editing)

That's another discussion hehe (and I'm inclined to agree because I much prefer advanced to basic lol) not a lot I can do about that though.

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12/20/2008 01:05:41 PM · #109

Originally posted by basssman7:

Spot on :-) plus for the member in that head-to-head, your average will only be taken from the challenges the registered user had the opportunity to enter too (i.e. open challenges) that way the registered user won't be disadvantaged if the member had a great FS shot or something like that.

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12/20/2008 01:19:13 PM · #110

One of these days I would love to see a side challenge (other than the FSM) which is for members only, and only uses the FS and the members weekly challenges. I tend to really suck at basic editing challenges and every side challenge tends to just use the basic challenges so that everyone is included. Basic challenges are ok when they choose the right theme, but lots of times they pick something for basic that just screams for advanced editing, which really is frustrating. (for example when they used studio portrait as a basic challenge... how often do you shoot a portrait and not do some form of spot editing?)

limerick

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12/20/2008 02:34:52 PM · #111

Originally posted by SoulMan1978:

Originally posted by basssman7:
My interpretation is that if you as a registered user (cannot enter member's challenges, only basic) are playing against someone that is a member, that the member can enter the member's challenges as well as the basic. However for the purpose of the head to head, only the basic challenges would count towards earning the point and only if you both entered a basic challenge during the same week. (two points needed to advance) If a member is playing a member then the member's challenges also count if they are both entered in the same one, as well as the basic challenges if they both enter one in the same week.

So you are not disadvantaged in any way. It just means that when a member plays off against another member there is more chances (more challenges) they can enter to go head to head against each other.

Spot on :-) plus for the member in that head-to-head, your average will only be taken from the challenges the registered user had the opportunity to enter too (i.e. open challenges) that way the registered user won't be disadvantaged if the member had a great FS shot or something like that.

I will just do my best and see what happens. Im still excited though. :=)

Quigley

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12/20/2008 02:51:17 PM · #112

Originally posted by basssman7:

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Ernie, I feel your pain as I'm sure so many others do, but you have to admit that total inclusion of all users is one of the inherently unique qualities of this wonderful site.

Besides brother you'd kick my a$$ in basic or advanced but I'd still be up for the challenge :) So bring it on.

MAX!

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12/20/2008 04:34:38 PM · #113

Originally posted by Quigley:

Originally posted by basssman7:
One of these days I would love to see a side challenge (other than the FSM) which is for members only, and only uses the FS and the members weekly challenges. I tend to really suck at basic editing challenges and every side challenge tends to just use the basic challenges so that everyone is included. Basic challenges are ok when they choose the right theme, but lots of times they pick something for basic that just screams for advanced editing, which really is frustrating. (for example when they used studio portrait as a basic challenge... how often do you shoot a portrait and not do some form of spot editing?)

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Ernie, I feel your pain as I'm sure so many others do, but you have to admit that total inclusion of all users is one of the inherently unique qualities of this wonderful site.

Besides brother you'd kick my a$$ in basic or advanced but I'd still be up for the challenge :) So bring it on.

MAX!

That is true Max, so then I guess a better way of putting it would be that it would be cool if the two open challenges were made up of one with basic editing and one with advanced. How does that sound?

Not so sure about kicking your butt all over the place, I am quite capable of laying a brownish coloured egg and do it way more often then I would like to. :)

cryan

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12/21/2008 04:17:10 PM · #114

So I'm not sure if I missed it but is there going to be a redraw? Just curious to see whom I might be pitted against.

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12/21/2008 04:24:18 PM · #115

Originally posted by cryan:

So I'm not sure if I missed it but is there going to be a redraw? Just curious to see whom I might be pitted against.

Personaly I'd like to see the extra peeps just slotted in in the order they signed up, either that or a complete redraw. Am not sure selective people asking to be redrawn is a good thing (regardless of them both agreeing).

12/21/2008 07:53:58 PM · #116

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

Originally posted by cryan:
So I'm not sure if I missed it but is there going to be a redraw? Just curious to see whom I might be pitted against.

Personaly I'd like to see the extra peeps just slotted in in the order they signed up, either that or a complete redraw. Am not sure selective people asking to be redrawn is a good thing (regardless of them both agreeing).

True enough. I really do not care either way. Let Soulman make the decision and get it done. :)

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12/22/2008 05:54:30 PM · #117

Right - we have a draw. It's saved here

Can you let me know if you can see it OK?

cmtc

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12/22/2008 06:14:18 PM · #118

i can see it great. im excited for this

vlado

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12/22/2008 06:42:36 PM · #119

Originally posted by SoulMan1978:

Right - we have a draw. It's saved here

Can you let me know if you can see it OK?

See it fine.

Some excellent matchups. So, who's going to run a book on this now that the draw is out? :)

Quigley

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12/22/2008 07:43:57 PM · #120

LOOKS great I can't wait to get started :)

sempermarine I hope your ready to go down with your ship :)

MAX!