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12/05/2008 07:23:55 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by dzone1:
Haven't really been following this but it's my understanding that he was attempting to retrieve personal items and memorabilia that had been stolen from him over several years and sold on the Internet. Maybe he went about it the wrong way but I think most of you are convicting him for something he has already been acquitted of.
As far as a civil trial finding him guilty, IMO to even be able to have a civil trial after you have been found not guilty in a criminal trial is a joke, it's tantamount to thumbing your nose at the criminal justice system.
Now I'm not defending him as he is no doubt guilty in this case but 15 years is a bit ridiculous, the only way you could justify this is by taking into consideration past events, something this judge has obviously done. Apparently the judges conduct in this trial has also left a lot to be desired. It seems from what I have read today that she had him guilty before the trial even started. |
I'm no expert on Nevada law, but, in general, in the United States, once you have a weapon drawn by any of the participants in a robbery, all sorts of enhancements to the original charge start to kick in including minimum mandatory sentences. The fact that one of OJ's flunkies drew a gun didn't help him, either. A gun drawn by one participant in a crime, will result in charges of drawing a gun in the commission of a crime for everyone else. That really ups the ante in terms of sentencing. OJ could have walked in there with nothing in his past, and the result would be the same.
What boggles my mind is how a guy who has had so many brushes with the law (and presumeably the best attorneys that money can buy), could have learned so little and done such a dumb thing.
It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. |
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12/05/2008 07:32:30 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by alky:
Confucious says... F**K OJ! A real man wouldnt be in that situation to begin with! Send us a postcard OJ! |
Classy. People who register just long enough to leave ignorant messages like this might deserve a little jail time too in my opinion. |
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12/05/2008 07:35:18 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
OJ diligently searched for the real killer--on every golf course in North America. |
Thanks for that! I just hosed my monitor down for the 3rd time this week. :)
*goes to find a towel* |
My work here is done. (who was that masked man?) |
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12/06/2008 12:34:45 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Anger and hate aren't the proper reactions for me. |
That's good to hear. Some of us think that finally justice has fallen on OJ. I think 10 years is a mighty light sentence for kidnapping and armed robbery. Just because some of us think OJ richly deserves what he is getting DOES NOT mean we hate OJ, or are angry with him. I'm somewhat dismayed at what some people define as hate, or anger. Any society is flawed and that fact has no place as an excuse for unlawful behavior of it's citizens. OJ is responsible for his actions, no one else. My great satisfaction with his sentence does not come from hate or anger. |
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12/06/2008 12:50:52 AM · #55 |
| I thought I heard that he was sentenced to 33 years. |
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12/06/2008 08:02:49 AM · #56 |
| Two of the counts held mandatory 15 year sentences and all sentences run concurrent with the previous. (We watched it at work, lol!) SNL's Weekend Update might be interesting, lol! |
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12/06/2008 10:05:15 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Also how long do you think it will be before the jackass writes a book about this experience and tries to make a profit? Hopefully he will get shanked long before he has a chance to write one. |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Oh, bite your tongue! What an awful thing to wish on anybody...
R. |
Tell that to Nicole.
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12/06/2008 10:09:47 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Compassion and pity are not the same thing. And compassion does not imply forgiveness, for that matter. I feel compassion for anyone facing a prison term; that they do or do not "deserve" it is irrelevant.
R. |
That's why I pray for guidance and to be forgiven for being human.
I cannot feel compassion for the man.
If you do the crime, you do the time.
Why should that evoke compassion on my part?
I accept the responsibility for accountability for my actions.....shouldn't everyone?
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12/06/2008 10:20:31 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Anger and hate aren't the proper reactions for me. |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
That's good to hear. Some of us think that finally justice has fallen on OJ. I think 10 years is a mighty light sentence for kidnapping and armed robbery. Just because some of us think OJ richly deserves what he is getting DOES NOT mean we hate OJ, or are angry with him. I'm somewhat dismayed at what some people define as hate, or anger. Any society is flawed and that fact has no place as an excuse for unlawful behavior of it's citizens. OJ is responsible for his actions, no one else. My great satisfaction with his sentence does not come from hate or anger. |
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Yeah, I don't understand why if you express an obvious level of disgust and annoyance about a scummy situation why you instantly get accused of being filled with hate and anger.
I'm disgusted with the man and I think he's an asshole, but trust me, he doesn't rent any space in my head and the annoyance I feel is mitigated by the prison term.
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12/06/2008 10:42:43 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Just because some of us think OJ richly deserves what he is getting DOES NOT mean we hate OJ, or are angry with him. |
Does wishing him to be knifed to death in prison, or anally raped, indicate any level of hate and anger, do you think? Or is it your opinion that such language simply represents the cool and level-headed reaction of an ordinary person?
Sorry, but the "justice is vengeance" people have spoken loudly here, and with a noticeable tinge of both anger and hate. Of course one should have compassion for him, irrespective of what he's done. If you have any empathy at all, you'll feel what he feels, what anyone feels, as he turns toward his cell to face a large part of his life in a cage like an animal. In his case -- as is obvious here -- he's pariah, he's more than pariah, he's utterly friendless, he's alone in the most destitute of circumstances. That evokes nothing in you? No compassion of any kind? Just the satisfaction that this sub-human finally had vengeance wreaked on him in the court of public opinion? What a hollow sad victory. What does your particular god say about such things, if you believe in one? Is he also gloating at this victory of vengeance, licking his lips at the prospect of a human being about to suffer like an animal? |
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12/06/2008 10:55:20 AM · #61 |
I really love how some you can judge me as an angery hater just because I feel no compassion for a guy who carved up the mother of his own children.
Sorry but I have to draw the line someplace. Its not hate, It is just a serious lack of love. And again,. OJ still hasn't got what he deserves but there is a guy on the other side waiting in the dark, He will deliver the proper sentence. Eventually Nicole with have her justice.
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12/06/2008 11:25:12 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Sorry, but the "justice is vengeance" people have spoken loudly here, and with a noticeable tinge of both anger and hate. Of course one should have compassion for him, irrespective of what he's done. If you have any empathy at all, you'll feel what he feels, what anyone feels, as he turns toward his cell to face a large part of his life in a cage like an animal. In his case -- as is obvious here -- he's pariah, he's more than pariah, he's utterly friendless, he's alone in the most destitute of circumstances. That evokes nothing in you? No compassion of any kind? Just the satisfaction that this sub-human finally had vengeance wreaked on him in the court of public opinion? What a hollow sad victory. What does your particular god say about such things, if you believe in one? Is he also gloating at this victory of vengeance, licking his lips at the prospect of a human being about to suffer like an animal? |
Why does it have to be so strong and with such depth?
I feel that justice was served to an extent.
Vengeance wreaked?
Nah! His actions just caught up with him.
End of story.
I'm sorry, but saying that I have to feel for this guy in order to have human compassion or empathy just isn't true.
I don't.
ETA: Figure I should clarify this before it gets taken out of context.
I do not feel any sympathy for this man.
I do feel empathy and compassion for people who evoke it for reasons other than going to jail for killing their wives.
Selective?
You bet!
Message edited by author 2008-12-06 11:27:43.
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12/06/2008 11:30:13 AM · #63 |
The definition of compassion according to Merriam Webster is:
: sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it
According to this definition I do not have any compassion for OJ as I do not wish to alleviate his distress in any way shape or form. Do I feel pity for him? Sure, but it pretty much stops there. I do feel compassion for Nicole, Ronald and their loved ones since they actually deserve it. No hate, no anger, just justice. |
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12/06/2008 11:33:25 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I really love how some you can judge me as an angery hater just because I feel no compassion for a guy who carved up the mother of his own children.
Sorry but I have to draw the line someplace. Its not hate, It is just a serious lack of love. And again,. OJ still hasn't got what he deserves but there is a guy on the other side waiting in the dark, He will deliver the proper sentence. Eventually Nicole with have her justice. |
I have to ask if these people that always demand compassion and empathy for these poor people locked up for lengthy jail terms......
A. Want to be responsible for these scum if they are freed and live in a neighborhood.
B. Want them to live in THEIR neighborhood.
I'm not quite sure why being convicted, especially in the face of overwhelming evidence, then sentenced evokes such concern.
You are expected to abide by certain laws of human decency.....don't maim, rape, or kill.
Why is it a bad thing to be perfectly happy to see people who perpetrate such acts be locked up?
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12/06/2008 11:45:53 AM · #65 |
Jail time for saying F**c OJ but not for killing two people?
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by alky:
Confucious says... F**K OJ! A real man wouldnt be in that situation to begin with! Send us a postcard OJ! |
Classy. People who register just long enough to leave ignorant messages like this might deserve a little jail time too in my opinion. |
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12/06/2008 11:56:03 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
The definition of compassion according to Merriam Webster is:
: sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it
According to this definition I do not have any compassion for OJ as I do not wish to alleviate his distress in any way shape or form. Do I feel pity for him? Sure, but it pretty much stops there. I do feel compassion for Nicole, Ronald and their loved ones since they actually deserve it. No hate, no anger, just justice. |
To feel compassion for the distress of a man in prison, to "desire to alleviate" that distress, is not to say "I wish I could help him avoid the consequences of his actions." His reprehensible acts aside, O. J. Simpson has, for a long, long time, been a bitter, angry, confused man and I have always felt compassion for him, and for other "superstars" like him who are/were incomplete human beings.
Now he is paying the price for his latest actions, and compassion for him would be to hope that he faces up, inside himself, to the responsibility he bears for his own actions (instead of trying to "explain" them away or blame others for them, as he has always done), and that he finds a measure of peace within his troubled soul. NO man is past redemption, in my mind. No matter how unforgivable his acts, I do not wish a painful death or a lifetime of misery on anyone.
I realize I'm out of tune with this little vengeance party here, but I'm sticking to my stance. O.J.'s an absolute jerk, he deserves prison for what he's done, but I hope he can somehow find a measure of peace in these,the last years of his ruined life.
R.
Message edited by author 2008-12-06 11:57:33.
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12/06/2008 02:24:03 PM · #67 |
I personally hope that OJ is kept in a place where he can no longer hurt people. It seems to me that the guy is obviously a loose cannon who deals with problems by using violence. The bottom line is this. OJ does (not) have the right to hurt other human beings because he is angry. Prison is going to be very different from the life of luxury that he has become accustomed too. They don't have 18 hole golf courses where he's going. If OJ writes a book as someone suggested, Mr Goldman will most likely Sue to keep OJ from profiting in any way from the proceeds. If anyone has a right to have self satisfaction to OJ's prison sentence it would be the family members of Ronald Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. OJ may very well have gotten away with murder but it was failure to keep his temper in check that became his undoing....It's very hard to save self destructive people from themselves ......... So ends another chapter in the life and times of OJ Simpson.......Bye Bye OJ....He will now find himself living among the same violent people that he has become...........Home at last :)
Message edited by author 2008-12-06 21:44:37. |
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12/06/2008 03:02:02 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Louis:
If you have any empathy at all, you'll feel what he feels, what anyone feels, as he turns toward his cell to face a large part of his life in a cage like an animal. |
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My empathy was first formed for several people who encountered guns and may have suspected their lives were about to end. And no, I have no empathy for OJ. He was handed life on a silver platter. All he had to do was act decently and partake. But that small job was beyond him.
And I don't know what "my god" would think about this. Louis you seem to be preoccupied with god/gods. Maybe we could arrange a GTG and introduce you to HawkEyeLoneWolf. I'd like to be there for that one. :P
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12/06/2008 03:07:32 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
he deserves prison for what he's done, but I hope he can somehow find a measure of peace in these,the last years of his ruined life.
R. |
He's eligible for parole in about ten years. I suspect he'll back on the golf courses of America after that looking for Nicole and Ron's killers.
Let's hope he eventually finds them. |
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12/06/2008 03:09:04 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
And I don't know what "my god" would think about this. Louis you seem to be preoccupied with god/gods. Maybe we could arrange a GTG and introduce you to HawkEyeLoneWolf. I'd like to be there for that one. :P |
That would be epic, Sorry Louis...;p |
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12/06/2008 03:24:54 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Louis you seem to be preoccupied with god/gods. |
Actually, as an atheist, I'm preoccupied with the hypocrisy of people who act immorally while claiming ultimate moral authority from an imaginary man who lives above the clouds. |
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12/06/2008 03:40:57 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Louis you seem to be preoccupied with god/gods. |
Actually, as an atheist, I'm preoccupied with the hypocrisy of people who act immorally while claiming ultimate moral authority from an imaginary man who lives above the clouds. |
Louis, you're just like a lot of religious people I know. Some of them are always trumpeting their beliefs and some live quietly with them. I guess this works with atheists as you seem to be one of the noisy group. If you had some empathy for those people who were indoctrinated from early childhood, you might change to the quiet group so as not to embarrass them. :P |
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12/06/2008 03:55:39 PM · #73 |
I have compassion for the murdered people's families, just look at the faces on the Goldmans. Fifteen years later they're still running around the country wasting their life trying to get justice for their daughter's murder. All the while this miserable taker of human life is enjoying himself playing golf.
My compassion will be reserved to someone who shows remorse or admits his crimes, OJ hasn't and will never do it. That person doesn't deserve yours or my compassion but he deserves what his decisions have brought onto him. He must feel like an idiot now sitting in jail thinking how he could have been caught, tried, and sentenced for a crime which pales in comparison to taking the life of two human beings. HA HA SUCKA! Congrats to the Goldman family.
Courts make mistakes sometimes and this may be one of them but I'm not complaining, you?
What if he killed your daughter? |
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12/06/2008 04:00:59 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by Jac:
What if he killed your daughter? |
Unfortunately, that question never seems to occur to the compassionate ones.
Weigh the difference.....poor OJ, living lonely in a cage.
Nicole.....buried.
Nope, no comparison.
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12/06/2008 04:18:04 PM · #75 |
Pull your heads out of the sand ok?
After this, I'm putting the thread on ignore, because honestly, time is better spent elsewhere, but I do need to say this:
As much as some people want to deny it, there is so much anger on this thread that it is almost palpable. I can almost reach out and grab it, like play-doh, and over what?
Some celebrity that may or may not have killed his wife and her boyfriend and then made a bunch of other terrible decisions in his life. The problem is, as much as you wish to believe he did it or not, the only thing you know is what the media fed you during the trial, and what it has fed you since. You don't know any more than that. You weren't there. You weren't a part of it. You don't have the true details. All you have is hollywood, and for some of you that seems to be enough. Quick to lay blame, quick to condemn, quick to lay judgment.
Yet how often do you deign to feel the same kind of anger and judgment for the dozens of crimes that people get away with in your own communities every single year? How often do you write to your local or regional papers to condemn the every day murderers that get off on technicalities? How often do you follow the trials in your own town or city or county and express your condemnation of the people and the system they exploit to go free?
Yet because this person is in the public eye, because the media is drama hungry and beams it to every corner of the country, of the world, suddenly we're so righteous. We feel it's our right and our job to be as loud as we can about these people, these people that we put up on false pedestals and worship for no real reason. We turn them into these giant larger-than-life figures, and then when it goes wrong, we're the first to rip them down.
Has O.J. done terrible things? Yes. Did he murder his wife? Maybe. The point here is that it shouldn't matter to any of us. Not specifically. If you want to be angry or frustrated or condemning, then focus that energy where it would actually matter. Focus it on your local and/or regional courts, politicians, judges, whatever.
It just grinds me to the very core when people simply spew rhetoric time and time again without any real thought to it. Without knowing full stories. Without ever even trying to even begin to understand the complexities of people like this and how they get there.
So do what you will. Fill your forums up with your attacks and vitriol, and then build it up for the next poor false idol that falls. That's your choice. I'll have no more part of it. |
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