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Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

12/01/2008 06:27:32 PM · #52

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

EOS 5D mark II camcorder :(

Yes, in addition to beautiful stills, it can turn out fabulous 1080p video. Not that it would be a main reason for me to buy it, but honestly, I can see myself using that. If you have a chance to see Vincent Laforet's short film "Reverie" shot with a pre-production 5DII, you may understand.

FocusPoint

XIAOMI Redmi Note 8 Pro

12/01/2008 07:02:03 PM · #53

I have this stupid old fashion thing that I believe one tool should do one thing. Unlike turning everything into a Swiss-knife collection. I don't say anything to quality of the videos or photos coming out of that machine, I feel like they are doing everything they can to sell and make money rather than trying to separate photographers from videographers and give us what we exactly need and better.
3 grand is not a bad price, but it could be 2 or maybe less if they don't put the video recording in it.
I don't know, again, it's just me, I feel forced somehow, and I don't like that. Canon is good brand, I am going to look for a camera who will shoot pictures, not movies, even though I know I don't have to use it, bothers me to know it's there.

smurfguy

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

12/01/2008 07:31:02 PM · #54

At first I thought movie mode would be a really cool feature. Then I thought about it, and watched some samples produced by non-video professionals (like me), and realized:

- You'll need software ($$$) to edit HD video
- You'll need a tripod ($$, immobility) or gyro ($$$, weight) to stabilize; handheld 5D video makes me sick like Blaire Witch Project
- With video so nice, you can't settle for crappy sound, so you'll probably need a better microphone ($$$)
- You'll need to pay careful attention to focus, which may take your attention off the event; i.e. bad for a dad =)

And, for me, that adds up to a bad/expensive solution.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

12/01/2008 07:33:27 PM · #55

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

I have this stupid old fashion thing that I believe one tool should do one thing. Unlike turning everything into a Swiss-knife collection.

I'm with you man.

Wish camera makers would stick with traditional camera features in lieu of the gimmicks of smile detection, live view, video mode etc.

Yeah I know you don't need to use those gimmicks but surely R&D dollars could be better in other areas.

bazz.

12/01/2008 07:41:40 PM · #56

Y'all may reject the concept of a merging of video and still photography, but it is the future. Fact is, Canon (5DII) and Nikon (D90) both have shown that a still camera can be an exceptional video tool, but far different from a camcorder. Where it shines is in its ability to separate subject and background (large sensor) and to work in light where normal video is all but impossible.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

12/01/2008 07:55:27 PM · #57

Originally posted by kirbic:

Fact is, Canon (5DII) and Nikon (D90) both have shown that a still camera can be an exceptional video tool, but far different from a camcorder.

We've dragged the thread off-topic but....

The feature would be more useful, (for me anyway), had they chosen to use jpeg format like Pentax did with the 21fps K20D. It's still easy to merge jpeg's at 21fps into good looking high def video but Pentax themselves screwed up by not making the resolution/fps configurable. Why can't we instead, have the option of selecting the frame rate and resolution we need within the memory bandwidth limitations of the camera ?

Ahhhhhh may be one day!

bazz.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L IS USM

12/01/2008 08:35:20 PM · #58

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

The feature would be more useful, (for me anyway), had they chosen to use jpeg format like Pentax did with the 21fps K20D...

Only time will tell if Canon's choice of the H.264 codec was a good one. One thing for sure, a good efficient video codec was an absolute requirement, or the processing power and bandwidth requirements would have been outrageous.

Message edited by author 2008-12-01 20:35:47.

B74A

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

12/04/2008 05:50:23 PM · #59

So, how much space does the video require? Yes, I have ordered one, and it has arrived in the shop, but will be about 10 days until I get to the shop. I am curious how a 32GB card does for video, not that I intend to shoot a lot of long clips. But I know from point and shoots that you can quickly fill your hard disk, a lot quicker than with normal pictures.

12/04/2008 06:19:22 PM · #60

Originally posted by B74A:

From the two *very* short full 1080p clips I've seen so far, it looks like maybe 1GB per minute or so... that's a really rough estimate. Keep in mind that under the FAT format that is used on CF cards, you are limited to a maximum 4GB file size. Not that you'd normally want to shoot a single 4-minute clip anyway.

12/08/2008 06:04:35 AM · #61

I've just picked mine up..................... Whoa...this thing is awesome!

However, Aperture doesn't understand the CR2 files, apparently only the Canon software that it comes with can read them........ CS3 can't either.

Message edited by author 2008-12-08 06:06:04.

12/08/2008 09:11:49 AM · #62

Originally posted by dougi555:

Adobe does have an update out for Ps, that will cope with 5DII RAWs, but it is specific to CS4.

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

12/18/2008 06:32:08 PM · #63

Just to let people know that my Mac auto-updated Aperture 2 today and the update included RAW support for the 5D Mark II.

12/24/2008 02:26:19 AM · #64

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Just to let people know that my Mac auto-updated Aperture 2 today and the update included RAW support for the 5D Mark II.

What version Paul...? I've just download trial at version 2.1.2 and it still reckons they are "unsupported image types"

Alan

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

12/24/2008 02:44:43 AM · #65

That's strange then because mine is 2.1.2 (Full Version); perhaps they haven't updated the trial version - have you run the update software application since you've installed the trial?

I have to say that I haven't tried this myself (5D mkII is out of stock until January here) but it was definitely on the list that accompanied the update information.

Having looked a bit further - it is Update Version 2.4:

//support.apple.com/downloads/Digital_Camera_Raw_Compatibility_Update_2_4?sr=hotnews

12/24/2008 05:37:14 AM · #66

Thanx Paul,

Just downloaded that latest Camera Raw update, it now can read the files, but will not show them at anything other than the thumbnail size, even on the main window......! Just to check I loaded some of the RAW's from my 30D and they work fine......!

Something still not right me thinks

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

01/05/2009 10:57:57 AM · #67

Now that my 5D is on order - I'm reading more on this issue. As far as I can make out, it is the sRAW format which still isn't supported by Aperture (though both iPhoto and Preview seem to support them). Looks like shooting in RAW rather than sRAW is the one to go for now.

01/05/2009 04:21:18 PM · #68

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Yup, just tried a whole bunch of tests, you are spot on. It reads the RAW files no problem, but cannot read either sRAW1 or sRAW2.........

Does anybody know if CS4 reads any of them, I'm still on CS3 and it doesn't..... :(

Alan

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

01/05/2009 05:20:52 PM · #69

I have some Eos 5D II files and CS4 and I can't get them to open with that either. The thing I can't get my head around is that iPhoto and Preview can see the images.

What is the advantage of sRAW over RAW anyway? Is it the ability to extend the ISO?

Thanks

Paul

01/05/2009 05:32:21 PM · #70

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

There is a Camera Raw update on the Adobe web site that adds support for the 5D Mark II

I believe sRAW is just a lower resolution raw file.

Apple had an update last month for iPhoto and Aperture. You probably got it through the auto update feature in OS X

Message edited by author 2009-01-05 17:33:38.

01/12/2009 09:41:04 AM · #71

Firmware update out for the 5D Mark II to addrss the black dot issue and the banding issue when using sRAW1

//web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/firm-e/eos5dmk2/firmware.html

01/12/2009 04:47:13 PM · #72

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Firmware update out for the 5D Mark II to addrss the black dot issue and the banding issue when using sRAW1

//web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/firm-e/eos5dmk2/firmware.html

Excellent, Thnx David, will download tonight. The update for Aperture ( I believe ) still only allows the full RAW, not sRAW1 or 2.... :(

Alan

01/12/2009 04:53:28 PM · #73

Originally posted by dougi555:

Originally posted by scarbrd:
Firmware update out for the 5D Mark II to addrss the black dot issue and the banding issue when using sRAW1

//web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/firm-e/eos5dmk2/firmware.html

Excellent, Thnx David, will download tonight. The update for Aperture ( I believe ) still only allows the full RAW, not sRAW1 or 2.... :(

Alan

Currently I have no intention of using anything but RAW, so that's not a big concern for me. The black dot thing, that does concern me. I will update tonight as well.

Good luck!