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10/29/2008 12:53:48 PM · #1 |
| Last year the average for a challenge was just over 5.5. The last 20 challenges are averaging 5.38. Not complaining, but I took 10th with a 6.25 average in the Poverty challenge...hmmmm. Seems to be a trend of low voters, I was glad to see the voter turn out. So is it truely the quality of the images or the voters, or both ? |
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10/29/2008 01:04:52 PM · #2 |
Challenges have been a little uninteresting lately, that may account for it. Some challenge topics naturally produce low scores. Like "poverty" for example.
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10/29/2008 01:10:22 PM · #3 |
I agree with Bear here, you only have to look at some of the thread for poverty and also the additional thread to see that it sparked quite heated debate and that will reflect in the votes IMO.
Why the topics have been so similar and so uninteresting is a mystery as the site has had so many previous challenges that there is a huge amount of inspiring topics that could be chosen :( |
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10/29/2008 06:55:10 PM · #4 |
| Didn't think of that, but have to agree. |
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10/29/2008 07:03:57 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Challenges have been a little uninteresting lately, that may account for it. Some challenge topics naturally produce low scores. Like "poverty" for example.
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These are challenges that are II or III and even IV. I don't think the challenges are boring. I think the voters are bored and looking for colourful, over processed images. There is no longer a thought process that looks at a good, clear photo. These are just snapshots now! |
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10/29/2008 07:14:30 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by SteveJ:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Challenges have been a little uninteresting lately, that may account for it. Some challenge topics naturally produce low scores. Like "poverty" for example.
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These are challenges that are II or III and even IV. I don't think the challenges are boring. I think the voters are bored and looking for colourful, over processed images. There is no longer a thought process that looks at a good, clear photo. These are just snapshots now! |
This is along the lines of my thoughts too. I'm not finding the challenge topics themselves to be uninteresting in any way. What I *am* finding is the photographs and entries to be on the side of uninteresting. There's no true push for creativity (outside of the occasional half-dozen or so exceptions every week, sometimes more, sometimes less), or, the way I see it, no real attempt to try.
To me, it's like walking through a craft mall. Everywhere you look, there are countless things to look at, but they all seem to blend into one another. They're all basically the same, and the people selling these things have become so jaded and bored themselves that they have simply come to rely on the same old things to put out on display, time and time again.
Every now and then, you'll run across a booth with some fantastic things, so we keep going to the mall, but on the whole, it's the same ol' same ol'.
We're oversaturated, and we've become just a little bit lacksadaisical, and when it comes time to look at the problem, in true human nature, we look everywhere but within to find a source of blame.
Message edited by author 2008-10-29 19:15:58. |
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10/29/2008 07:18:35 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by SteveJ:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Challenges have been a little uninteresting lately, that may account for it. Some challenge topics naturally produce low scores. Like "poverty" for example.
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These are challenges that are II or III and even IV. I don't think the challenges are boring. I think the voters are bored and looking for colourful, over processed images. There is no longer a thought process that looks at a good, clear photo. These are just snapshots now! |
This is along the lines of my thoughts too. I'm not finding the challenge topics themselves to be uninteresting in any way. What I *am* finding is the photographs and entries to be on the side of uninteresting. There's no true push for creativity (outside of the occasional half-dozen or so exceptions every week, sometimes more, sometimes less), or, the way I see it, no real attempt to try.
To me, it's like walking through a craft mall. Everywhere you look, there are countless things to look at, but they all seem to blend into one another. They're all basically the same, and the people selling these things have become so jaded and bored themselves that they have simply come to rely on the same old things to put out on display, time and time again.
Every now and then, you'll run across a booth with some fantastic things, so we keep going to the mall, but on the whole, it's the same ol' same ol'.
We're oversaturated, and we've become just a little bit lacksadaisical, and when it comes time to look at the problem, in true human nature, we look everywhere but within to find a source of blame. |
But, if you try to be really creative and 'out of the box', you score low because nobody on DPC particularly likes those types of shots. So, we're all basically screwed it seems.
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10/29/2008 07:21:44 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by LadyTara:
But, if you try to be really creative and 'out of the box', you score low because nobody on DPC particularly likes those types of shots. So, we're all basically screwed it seems. |
yup, your damned if you do and your damned if you don't ;)
to coin a phrase, DPC is dead, long Live DPC
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10/29/2008 07:22:26 PM · #9 |
I will agree, but does anyone know how many people here are new (under 6 months on the site)?
are the voters the same people for the past 2 years ive been here?
if its the same people with the same demands and expectations, theres a problem.
if the majority of voters are trying to spot thier favorite photogs photo just to give it a 10 and say 'nice photo so and so' in the comments during voting, there is a problem
i think the topics are great, i dont see how you can disagree with this weeks topics 'abandoned' 'mirrors' and 'smoke'
it leaves a lot to imaginaition, and if a week seems to not be your thing, you always have the free studay to think about.
So, i dont think topics are a problem
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10/29/2008 07:32:36 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by LadyTara:
But, if you try to be really creative and 'out of the box', you score low because nobody on DPC particularly likes those types of shots. So, we're all basically screwed it seems. |
i agree in many ways on a personal level with what you just said.
However, i cant argue that technically and artistically the photos that finish up top are flawed.
I think that being able to shoot photos like those is a talent combined with lots of learning and practice.
Its easy for an amateur to take a photo in the street, convert it to bw and argue that this is ootb. im guilty of this 100%.
So that is why i think that talking about how boring top ranked photos are is a bit pointless unless you happen to able to reach top ranks yourself.
Picasso would be able to paint someones protrait and you would have a hard time recognizing if its a painting or a photo, this took lots of learning. he chose though to portray what he saw in a different way.
look at other photos by the standard winners here (not thier challenge entries) and you will see how brilliant they are.
im not directing this at you, just saying something thats been on my mind for a while |
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10/29/2008 07:36:58 PM · #11 |
i can't speak for others but i seriously "DPC suck" of late
the last year i've been draging my score down
some of that is 'outside the box' but not all /
Part of it is - i stopped caring about the score -
Part is been shooting more of my own ..
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10/29/2008 07:39:31 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by SteveJ:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Challenges have been a little uninteresting lately, that may account for it. Some challenge topics naturally produce low scores. Like "poverty" for example.
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These are challenges that are II or III and even IV. I don't think the challenges are boring. I think the voters are bored and looking for colourful, over processed images. There is no longer a thought process that looks at a good, clear photo. These are just snapshots now! |
This is along the lines of my thoughts too. I'm not finding the challenge topics themselves to be uninteresting in any way. What I *am* finding is the photographs and entries to be on the side of uninteresting. There's no true push for creativity (outside of the occasional half-dozen or so exceptions every week, sometimes more, sometimes less), or, the way I see it, no real attempt to try.
To me, it's like walking through a craft mall. Everywhere you look, there are countless things to look at, but they all seem to blend into one another. They're all basically the same, and the people selling these things have become so jaded and bored themselves that they have simply come to rely on the same old things to put out on display, time and time again.
Every now and then, you'll run across a booth with some fantastic things, so we keep going to the mall, but on the whole, it's the same ol' same ol'.
We're oversaturated, and we've become just a little bit lacksadaisical, and when it comes time to look at the problem, in true human nature, we look everywhere but within to find a source of blame. |
I so agree with what you've said in this post.
I was actually very surprised and delighted to see Carefree Childhood by Zigomar  win the blue in the Poverty Challenge simply because it wasn't one of the traditional DPC stock shot "look" style photos. It was well shot but, had a deep meaning to it that I think, struck a lot of inner chords in people's emotions for a change. We are so used to seeing the same "look" to photos....the stuff dropped into liquids, the martini glasses, the flowers, the bees, the pretty birds, etc., ad nauseum that we are becoming blase about scoring now. It's almost as though, (as someone else in this site has also remarked) we've become TRAINED into giving people higher scores for the same type of thing. We've lost our ability to see beyond a certain style of editing, a certain stock shot style, a certain vividness/cripness/focus level that we can't see beyond that to vote a shot with a difference, higher in score. We therefore, also become disenchanted with "same" on a subconscious level and I think we are voting these types of images down a bit. I ALSO think that newcomers are making a difference in terms of voting on photos that don't necessarily have that kind of look and are looking for more meaning in shots and giving THOSE slightly higher scores. So, where we'd normally have seen the "same" style shots voted with higher marks, we are now seeing those points spread out over more photos rather than concentrated on those few that have captured that sameness, time and time again.
Equally, it could be that we are all somewhat unconsciously/subconsciously, tiring of the same types of looks and are scoring them lower without knowing it and perking up a bit when someone does something different. I know that I began to see a change in what I was seeing as "wonderful" shifting over to that "sameness" since I started in here and giving similar types of comments as I've been trained to see others giving. I've stopped that now that I've recognized the "brain washing" that we really come to learn through simple repetativeness in winning shots. We try to emulate that style in our own work in order to grasp at the higher scores. That's WRONG! We should be ourselves, with our own style, our own unique looks. However, those of us who have been here for a couple of years, also recognize that doing that, gets you the lower scores.
So, if we want "different", do we silently or subconsciously continue on with the way that we have been going, or do we look at the entries from a slightly different angle and perhaps, discover that there are some extremely meaningful and wonderful shots out there that could make these challenges rather exciting again? :)
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10/29/2008 07:44:44 PM · #13 |
I was away from the site for about a year, and been back for a month now. The same people and images are still winning. The same arguments are still going on in the forums. The only change I've noticed is less comments and harsher voting.
So to answer the OP, I'd say that it's all in the votes. Seems like people are just more bitter.
Message edited by author 2008-10-29 19:46:35. |
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10/29/2008 07:47:40 PM · #14 |
I've been a little disappointed recently as well. I believe my photography is getting better, but I seem to be dragging in the same scores for stuff that I know is way better than what I was doing a year ago. (Not counting my shoehorns, those are another story). Maybe as I improve, I am also finding a style that does not have the broadest appeal.
I have decided that anything over a 5.5 average is pretty damn good, and is battling more with the issue of broad appeal than that of achieving good photography. I am also taking the comments into account, and who the comments are from makes some difference. Not that I am dismissing anyone's opinion, but as an example, if  IreneM makes a remark about my lighting, I take that more to heart than an opposite comment from a new member with a 4.8 average. |
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10/29/2008 07:50:21 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by LadyTara:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by SteveJ:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Challenges have been a little uninteresting lately, that may account for it. Some challenge topics naturally produce low scores. Like "poverty" for example.
R. |
These are challenges that are II or III and even IV. I don't think the challenges are boring. I think the voters are bored and looking for colourful, over processed images. There is no longer a thought process that looks at a good, clear photo. These are just snapshots now! |
This is along the lines of my thoughts too. I'm not finding the challenge topics themselves to be uninteresting in any way. What I *am* finding is the photographs and entries to be on the side of uninteresting. There's no true push for creativity (outside of the occasional half-dozen or so exceptions every week, sometimes more, sometimes less), or, the way I see it, no real attempt to try.
To me, it's like walking through a craft mall. Everywhere you look, there are countless things to look at, but they all seem to blend into one another. They're all basically the same, and the people selling these things have become so jaded and bored themselves that they have simply come to rely on the same old things to put out on display, time and time again.
Every now and then, you'll run across a booth with some fantastic things, so we keep going to the mall, but on the whole, it's the same ol' same ol'.
We're oversaturated, and we've become just a little bit lacksadaisical, and when it comes time to look at the problem, in true human nature, we look everywhere but within to find a source of blame. |
But, if you try to be really creative and 'out of the box', you score low because nobody on DPC particularly likes those types of shots. So, we're all basically screwed it seems. |
LOL...I know what you mean in what you're saying here. And, I think a LOT of us are just JUMPING at the chance to get OUT of this "Box" that we're in but, feel stuck because of what you have just said...fear of low scores.
BUT...are we REALLY stuck? Or, do we simply have to SHOW voters what they don't know at the moment? By that, I mean, do we continue trying to follow the donkey trail or, do we START to simply do our own stuff, our own style, our own creative pieces and the more that we do it and the more that others are seeing it done, the more they will appreciate seeing some new styles, techniques, new looks and start figuring out that they are truly enjoying them?! :)
It's like the people who have lived their entire lives inside of a cave, only knowing stone walls and fire cooked meats, thinking this is the only way to live and eat, UNTIL they are taken to a new way of living, with warm walls, bathtubs etc. While strange at first to them, they eventually learn that they LOVE this new way! I think more and more people are really ready to get out of their "caves" and try liking something new! It takes us, the ones who WANT to see the change and feel the NEED for change to actually, just DO IT, as Nike advertisements would say. LOL
We do have a choice and while I'm taking FLACK galore for my attempts at it and scores that are so rock bottom it's ridiculous, I'm going to continue doing it now because I truly believe that there's a LOT of us in here who want that change and that freedom! Who is to stop us from being true to ourselves? Some silly score that means nothing at the end of the day in our real lives? We will have some fantastically fun, humorous, creative and even exciting OOBIE photos that we are pleased with ourselves instead.
So, bottom line here is...score, or FUN and learning to find our own styles? Right now, we are amongst a flock of sheep, trying to follow that flock when in fact, we are actually chimpanzees or peacocks! LOL :) |
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10/29/2008 07:54:04 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Marc923:
I was away from the site for about a year, and been back for a month now. The same people and images are still winning. The same arguments are still going on in the forums. The only change I've noticed is less comments and harsher voting.
So to answer the OP, I'd say that it's all in the votes. Seems like people are just more bitter. |
AMEN to that! Time to change things up for ourselves, first and foremost???
BTW...I also took a nearly 3 month hiatus from DPC and came back in September to find the same things you are finding. Yet, in those months of hiatus, I blossomed in my own style in other photography challenges, sites and well as personal fun with my camera and editing. When I came back, I found myself, trying to follow the "flock" again and was truly getting to the point where I wanted to leave again. It suddenly hit me that it's not ME...it's that I'm not letting myself be ME with my shots anymore and therefore, it's not FUN...which is why we really came here to begin with, isn't it? |
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10/29/2008 07:59:14 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by ace flyman:
Last year the average for a challenge was just over 5.5. The last 20 challenges are averaging 5.38. Not complaining, but I took 10th with a 6.25 average in the Poverty challenge...hmmmm. Seems to be a trend of low voters, I was glad to see the voter turn out. So is it truely the quality of the images or the voters, or both ? |
I don't participate in challenges, for several reasons, but I do look at them, so I may be able to throw my 1 cent in! :) I've noticed that lately, a lot of the top photos usually have at least one 1, 2, or 3 vote, which surprises me. I do enter in challenges on other photo sites, and when I vote I rarely ever give anything below a 3. If ti's a scale from 1-10, to me 5 is mediocre, 10 is the best and a 1 is just plain horrible in every way. Perhaps I'm the only one that scores that way.?
I've also noticed that some of the comments that are left are kind of lacking. Some examples would be; ok???, I don't get it, not sure how this fits but whatever. Comments like that make me think that the voter isn't taking the time to look at the shot, or that they may be inexperienced and not know how to give constructive criticism, which could lead to the low votes.
I guess I think that way because when I was in college we had to do weekly critiques and the students who knew what they were doing gave good constructive comments and those who didn't would always say something like, I like it, or it looks nice, or worse, nod and smile.
Message edited by author 2008-10-29 20:00:41. |
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10/29/2008 08:01:01 PM · #18 |
Putting the score aside, a really good OOB shot usually gets some great comments and that should make it all worth while (unless you have an unhealthy attachment to your average score). It has also been worth while for me as a novice photographer to try learning to compose the type of shot that will get a high score from the average DPCer. For me that fits with the notion that it's useful to master the rules so you can break them more effectively.
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10/29/2008 08:01:57 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
I've been a little disappointed recently as well. I believe my photography is getting better, but I seem to be dragging in the same scores for stuff that I know is way better than what I was doing a year ago. (Not counting my shoehorns, those are another story). Maybe as I improve, I am also finding a style that does not have the broadest appeal.
I have decided that anything over a 5.5 average is pretty damn good, and is battling more with the issue of broad appeal than that of achieving good photography. I am also taking the comments into account, and who the comments are from makes some difference. Not that I am dismissing anyone's opinion, but as an example, if IreneM makes a remark about my lighting, I take that more to heart than an opposite comment from a new member with a 4.8 average. |
Let me ask a question here, Steve as a point to illustrate something.
Irene's comments about your lighting are, I'm sure, truly helpful on the technical aspects of things and I respect her work as well very greatly. I would take her comments as being helpful too. However, that 4.8 average, new member MAY have an ability or talent that we, here at DPC, have not come to accept or recognize yet. In our thoughts, that 4.8 average means to us that "they don't know anything like the others". However, what we are in essence saying in that is that those who have been here longer, know more!
Ok, well, those who have been here longer DO know "more"...ABOUT DPC and what flies in here and what doesn't! They may also know some great technicals. However, does that mean that the "newbie" knows NOTHING? Does it mean that they have NO knowledge? Do their low scores mean that they are photographically challenged and never entered photos in other sites or perhaps, have just discovered DPC? Their low scores may simply be the fact that THEY have either not figured out the DPC look OR, they simply are refusing to follow it and therefore, are being handed low scores because they are not following the DPC LEARNED criteria and may be branching out in their own directions. Granted, some newcomers are here to learn and really don't know much about photography but, to assume that all newcomers are less knowledgeable about photography is perhaps, one of the biggest "DPC Snob Traps" (just a term...not labelling YOU as that! *smile*) that we can fall into.
Just a thought here. |
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10/29/2008 08:07:39 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by icu1965:
Originally posted by ace flyman:
Last year the average for a challenge was just over 5.5. The last 20 challenges are averaging 5.38. Not complaining, but I took 10th with a 6.25 average in the Poverty challenge...hmmmm. Seems to be a trend of low voters, I was glad to see the voter turn out. So is it truely the quality of the images or the voters, or both ? |
I don't participate in challenges, for several reasons, but I do look at them, so I may be able to throw my 1 cent in! :) I've noticed that lately, a lot of the top photos usually have at least one 1, 2, or 3 vote, which surprises me. I do enter in challenges on other photo sites, and when I vote I rarely ever give anything below a 3. If ti's a scale from 1-10, to me 5 is mediocre, 10 is the best and a 1 is just plain horrible in every way. Perhaps I'm the only one that scores that way.?
I've also noticed that some of the comments that are left are kind of lacking. Some examples would be; ok???, I don't get it, not sure how this fits but whatever. Comments like that make me think that the voter isn't taking the time to look at the shot, or that they may be inexperienced and not know how to give constructive criticism, which could lead to the low votes.
I guess I think that way because when I was in college we had to do weekly critiques and the students who knew what they were doing gave good constructive comments and those who didn't would always say something like, I like it, or it looks nice, or worse, nod and smile. |
I agree with what you've said here too. I've also seen the 1's 2's and 3's given out on the winning shots and in my books and in other sites I've participated in, scores like that should be reserved only for the absolute worst shots. It makes one wonder whether DPC has a lot of Trolls or, a lot of unhappy voters out there, looking for subtle ways to say, "I'm fed up with seeing this style of shot win!"??? Perhaps, it's a combination of both. Either way, DPC is in trouble in either case, isn't it? :)
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10/29/2008 08:11:42 PM · #21 |
Its interesting that the same topic of discussion comes up, in different forms, every couple of weeks. I have heard people blame the voters, Trolls, even the weather and the time of year as to why votes, and photos are doing well or not.
Some people take photographs that appeal to the masses voting, others intentionally try and generate discussion and comments, some appear after a favourite more than the overall score. Each have their own merits. It depends what people are here for. If you are going to photograph chasing the virtual ribbon, then go for it. Others really don't care. There is nothing really on the line here.
I Personally am here to try and improve my skills, and this gives me challenges to photograph of different things that I normally would not go and do. Seeing twhat photos did well also helps this, but also seeing what I liked and didn't, and comparing that to the masses also works. it is always interesting to read the comments (when there are any of merit) of photos that I liked, but were not as well received by the masses.
I comment a little since I have been here. I attempt to inform what I like and don't like about a photo, as to why the score was given. Some people don't like to hear anything negative about what they have shot, others welcome it with open arms, and some send PM's to try and explain their photo, and argue against what wqas commented. All helps in the learning experience.
However, the people that continue to dig up stuff about how the voters are wrong, or question why a photo, or a type of photo is doing well, maybe they should also look at why they are here. If it is to win the virtual ribbons, then follow the trends, copy these and chase your virtual glory. I am sure the voters will change in time and get sick of the same type of photo. If you are here to take photographs, get feedback, learn and try new thingsm, and to hell as to whether it bombs or not, then enjoy the ride.
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10/29/2008 08:19:36 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by kolasi:
I will agree, but does anyone know how many people here are new (under 6 months on the site)?
are the voters the same people for the past 2 years ive been here?
if its the same people with the same demands and expectations, theres a problem.
if the majority of voters are trying to spot thier favorite photogs photo just to give it a 10 and say 'nice photo so and so' in the comments during voting, there is a problem
i think the topics are great, i dont see how you can disagree with this weeks topics 'abandoned' 'mirrors' and 'smoke'
it leaves a lot to imaginaition, and if a week seems to not be your thing, you always have the free studay to think about.
So, i dont think topics are a problem |
I agree. I don't think it's the topic.
I found the Money Challenge topic "boring" but, in reality, what was running through the back of my mind is that no matter what I do, I cannot meet that certain set of criteria that normally gets the higher score in DPC. Anywhere else and I'd come up with a creative shot....but, in here, creativity or Outside the Box thinking does horribly (I'm proving that with my entry LOL).
I also agree that there's a lot of "strategic voting" that happens. There are the "protest votes" (ie: against a certain look, or a bitter/frustrated vote because of their own scores). There are also "group votes" or "friendly votes" (ie: knowing a certain person's style/photo/friend's/group/team member's photos..*NOTE: I am NOT saying ALL are doing this by any means...just that it DOES happen*... and voting them up). There's also the "I'm Tired Of This Votes" (ie: same people, same style, same look...bored out of my head...let's see something different votes)
I don't know about any of you but, I can literally flip through the thumbnails of a challenge and in less than 5 minutes, I can pick out the top 5! I can recognize which ones are going to be front page because they have that "look". It's pretty hard to vote then because there's a fear of subconsciously voting a shot down or, of voting ridiculously high for another shot because it lacks the DPC look. I really have to think about it and what gets my higher scores are the shots that EMOTE something from me as long as they are decent looking photographs. A shot that has made me smile, laugh and especially ones that have made me spit out my coffee at the screen in laughter, gets a higher score from me than one that simply is a technically great shot but, has no real emotive value.
And, I seem to be taking up the thread here! LOL I am just relieved to hear that others are feeling the same way that I have been feeling!!! :) |
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10/29/2008 08:19:57 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
however, does that mean that the "newbie" knows NOTHING? Does it mean that they have NO knowledge? Do their low scores mean that they are photographically challenged and never entered photos in other sites or perhaps, have just discovered DPC? |
I did not mean to imply that, or to dismiss anyone's opinion. If I get a positive comment about something from someone who is very good at that aspect, (and Irene is very good at dramatic lighting) I may take it as a strong positive or negative indicator. My 8 year old granddaughter thinks most of the photos on DPC are boring, how much weight will most people here give to her opinion? Also, if I get several opinions that say the same thing, there may be something to it. Two comments on my recent Affluence entry remarked about what they felt was the prominence of the tire in the photo. I take that as having more validity because two people independently made the same observation. (Though I happen to like that aspect of my photo, but that's not the point) all I am saying is one needs to make a judgement call on the feedback received and the context of everything as a whole.
As another example,  lpatrick does some interesting abstract photography, however he tends to usually come in fairy low. His low scoring work is also currently on display in a gallery. I initially didn't get his shots, but his work is evolving and he does some interesting studies in shape and form, that don't require needing to know what the item is. I have acquired more of an appreciation for abstracts because of him, and I think some of my own photos reflect it.
I'm not sure that this all totally relates, but it seems to make sense to me.
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10/29/2008 08:23:58 PM · #24 |
*ahem* Two words to you all...ok three words cause I'm sick right now and brain not working well...
JOIN TEAM SUCK!!!!!!
Seriously! We have some damn fine photogs in our League of Suck, look at the list of members on the homepage of our Palatial Palace of Suck and Peace, look around, and if you like what you see fer gawd's sake join our ranks. we're fun, friendly and supportive and don't give too much of a damn about our scores. We shoot and enter what WE want, not what necessarily wins...but you'll soon see that we have our fair share of ribboners in our ranks.
As an extra bonus, once you're officially TS members, you get a copy of my brownie recipe!
It's a win-win situation! |
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10/29/2008 08:25:32 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
*ahem* Two words to you all...ok three words cause I'm sick right now and brain not working well...
JOIN TEAM SUCK!!!!!!
As an extra bonus, once you're officially TS members, you get a copy of my brownie recipe!
It's a win-win situation! |
I never got that recipe!?! |
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