Can somebody tell me what good Obama has ever done

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10/10/2008 02:23:31 PM · #26

Originally posted by dponlyme:

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Looking at McCain I don't think he knows his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the economy and what will make it better. His health insurance tax credit is suspect in that apparently they will then tax health care benefits. The whole idea of another 300 billion to buy up distressed mortgages doesn't seem right. Gee I guess I should have bought a house I couldn't afford so the government could bail me out too.

The following doesn't make any sense based on what you said above.

Originally posted by dponlyme:

I think I will probably vote for McCain simply because he has a better, more substantial, track record of reaching across the aisle to get things done and is closer to the center on most issues. He has leaned quite a bit to the right to garner party support but if he were elected would move right back to the center I think. Obama who is leaning toward the center in the election would also go back to the left if elected. Plus I favor a more conservative supreme court although too much of that is not good either.

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10/10/2008 02:28:28 PM · #27

Originally posted by dponlyme:

Seriously, what has this man ever done that could be considered a real accomplishment? Getting elected doesn't count. I am not asking this facetiously. I really want to know. Throughout this entire election cycle I haven't heard of one single solitary thing. I have heard a ton about the people he associated with and that is not too flattering. I don't trust him. I don't know how anyone could without some evidence that he has at least a good character and sound judgment. If you feel he has these things then please provide me with your reasoning. Please DO NOT tell me why you don't want McCain to win. I really want to know why those of you who will be voting for Obama what it is about the man that makes you feel he is the right person for the job. Please try to keep it positive. Try to convince me because honestly I am getting closer to the fence as time has gone by and I'm looking more intently at the possibility of voting for him... at this point I don't think I can.

I agree. There's hardly any accomplishments this man has. He's like the Manchurian Candidate without even being a faux war hero.

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10/10/2008 02:33:13 PM · #28

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

I agree. There's hardly any accomplishments this man has. He's like the Manchurian Candidate without even being a faux war hero.

EGAD, are you saying that McCain is the manchurian candidate? :O)

Ray

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10/10/2008 02:34:36 PM · #29

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

I agree. There's hardly any accomplishments this man has. He's like the Manchurian Candidate without even being a faux war hero.

EGAD, are you saying that McCain is the manchurian candidate? :O)

Ray

No. He's saying the McCain's a "faux war hero". Personally, I think he's being too hard on McCain. :)

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10/10/2008 02:38:38 PM · #30

Originally posted by dponlyme:

Regardless of what some of you might think I was very serious in asking this question.

What good is a serious question if you can't listen to the serious answers? In addition to some excellent links, you've got a thoughtful, off-the-cuff response from

JMart.

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10/10/2008 02:41:50 PM · #31

Originally posted by milo655321:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

I agree. There's hardly any accomplishments this man has. He's like the Manchurian Candidate without even being a faux war hero.

EGAD, are you saying that McCain is the manchurian candidate? :O)

Ray

No. He's saying the McCain's a "faux war hero". Personally, I think he's being too hard on McCain. :)

Thank You Milo for clarifying that for me... I was ever so worried. Now I can sleep peacefully.

Ray

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10/10/2008 02:44:25 PM · #32

You know what with all the crazyness people in this country are talking I might move to Cuba and become good friends with Raul!

10/10/2008 02:57:13 PM · #33

Or you could come to Canada. Reichschancellor Harper is probably a better option than President McCain.

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10/10/2008 03:12:37 PM · #34

I'm voting for Obama based on the issues. Is there something wrong with that?

10/10/2008 03:14:48 PM · #35

Originally posted by Louis:

Or you could come to Canada. Reichschancellor Harper is probably a better option than President McCain.

I thought Harper was on his way out.

When I was in Toronto, last weekend, the CBC made the point several times that "Harper is taking the day off" as though he should be doing something.

10/10/2008 03:14:52 PM · #36

Originally posted by posthumous:

I'm voting for Obama based on the issues. Is there something wrong with that?

Yes, informed voters are generally frowned upon.

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10/10/2008 03:17:26 PM · #37

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Louis:
Or you could come to Canada. Reichschancellor Harper is probably a better option than President McCain.

I thought Harper was on his way out.

When I was in Toronto, last weekend, the CBC made the point several times that "Harper is taking the day off" as though he should be doing something.

You were in Toronto? No, Harper will likely be elected again, though probably in another minority government. He should have been electioneering, but even the great Conservative propaganda machine needs to be oiled every other day.

10/10/2008 03:18:22 PM · #38

Originally posted by coronamv:

You know what with all the crazyness people in this country are talking I might move to Cuba and become good friends with Raul!

I think a week or two at a ~~forced labor camp~~ ... holiday spa in Myanmar would do wonders for your outlook.

10/10/2008 03:19:57 PM · #39

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Louis:
Or you could come to Canada. Reichschancellor Harper is probably a better option than President McCain.

I thought Harper was on his way out.

When I was in Toronto, last weekend, the CBC made the point several times that "Harper is taking the day off" as though he should be doing something.

You were in Toronto? No, Harper will likely be elected again, though probably in another minority government. He should have been electioneering, but even the great Conservative propaganda machine needs to be oiled every other day.

I was, I came for Nuit Blanche. I even started a thread about it and you posted in it.

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10/10/2008 03:25:44 PM · #40

It's impossible to know a person from their tv presence. I guess the idea here is that swing voters are split on the issues so they are making their decision based on character. You're fooling yourselves. You can't find the measure of a man from the hype and dirt that is being flung now. Go back to the issues, measure them out, and base your decision on that. If you think Democrats are stronger on economy, then vote for Obama. If punishing immigrants and homosexuals for being different than you is more important to you than your economic self-interest, vote for McCain. If you're a Libertarian, forget about it. The free market is over.

10/10/2008 03:26:52 PM · #41

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

I was, I came for Nuit Blanche. I even started a thread about it and you posted in it.

I knew that. :-P

10/10/2008 03:28:21 PM · #42

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I was, I came for Nuit Blanche. I even started a thread about it and you posted in it.

I knew that. :-P

BTW, it's a wonderful city.

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10/10/2008 03:30:21 PM · #43

Mm-hm... I'm sitting it in right now. It's a beautiful fall day too. (Despite Harper being somewhere around here today.)

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10/10/2008 03:31:13 PM · #44

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I was, I came for Nuit Blanche. I even started a thread about it and you posted in it.

I knew that. :-P

BTW, it's a wonderful city.

Spoken like a true visitor to Toronto ;)

10/10/2008 03:33:34 PM · #45

Hey! Dion's coming to my town tonight (Burlington). Alright, no more sidetracks, on with the bashing.

cpanaioti

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10/10/2008 03:35:21 PM · #46

Originally posted by Louis:

Hey! Dion's coming to my town tonight (Burlington). Alright, no more sidetracks, on with the bashing.

I hope he understands the question this time. ;o)

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10/10/2008 03:37:07 PM · #47

Yeah, and I hope the cons stop making the great mistake of '93. (Actually no I don't.) The smell of fear is in the air, my dear.

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10/10/2008 03:43:46 PM · #48

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by Louis:
Hey! Dion's coming to my town tonight (Burlington). Alright, no more sidetracks, on with the bashing.

I hope he understands the question this time. ;o)

Honestly, resorting to that kind of childishness? (I don't mean you personally CP (I see the smiley), I mean Harper.)

You know who I would vote for? I'd vote for anyone that promised to forever outlaw any kind of attack ads in political campaigning. It's insulting to me as a person, and it's insulting to voters as a whole. All of our parties (and the U.S. parties as well), do it, and I'm simply fed up with it.

To the political parties: Tell me what you're going to do. Don't tell me what everyone else is or isn't doing, and KNOCK OFF THE DAMN PERSONAL ATTACKS.

k? thanks. I stopped going to Kindergarten 30 years ago.

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