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04/14/2004 12:19:30 AM · #1 |
o Texture/ Composition
o Colour
o Action
o Light
Have at least two of these present as the strength or purpose in every shot...
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 00:20:47.
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04/14/2004 11:20:18 AM · #2 |
well - that fell off the front page in a hurry :)
Do you think these elements are always required, or make a good general rule of thumb for at least a pair of things that need to be present in any good picture ?
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04/14/2004 11:23:19 AM · #3 |
Not getting the meaning of your thread title, Gordon, or is that the idea?
This is what I posted recently on another thread about what is important in a good DPChallenge entry:
This is just my personal opinion but in order for an image to really succeed here it has to consider all of the following:
* Meeting the challenge
* Well taken (I'm of the camp that feels a photo does not have to be technically perfect in order to really communicate/ succeed but it certainly helps if it's reasonably well taken and image quality etc is up to scratch)
* Original/ Creative (Whilst I don't automatically score images down for being unoriginal - unless they really are absolute copies of an existing images - I do score UP images that strike me as particularly inventive, imaginative, unusual)
* INTERESTING/ APPEALING (I think this is the one that many people miss. Having achieved all the above, does the image also appeal on it's own? If someone saw the image outside of the challenge or outside of this site would it be an image they would really like/ want? Does the image create an emotional reaction on the part of the viewer?)
This last element is also the hardest to achieve but I think that the vast majority of ribbon winners are images that would appeal outside of the challenge/ site as well as within the context of the challenge itself.
I can't say HOW to achieve this, if you look at my own entries you can see that I certainly have not done so yet... but I do know as a voter and viewer that many images fail on this final point for me.
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04/14/2004 11:29:17 AM · #4 |
The title is just 'Tips & Tricks #'
Anyways, they were just something I was thinking about as the main elements of a good photograph, how you really have only 4 basic things and you probably need at least two of them in any good image - not claiming this is an original idea, just wondering how it struck people.
If the light is bad, with a colourless subject, without texture, could good action carry a great picture ?
Just seems like at least a couple of these elements are present in most all great pictures I've seen. and a lot of the bad picutres might only have one of these elements right.
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04/14/2004 11:31:54 AM · #5 |
I think of the 4 you have listed LIGHT is the most important of all - without light there is nothing.
That said, you could still have a great shot the strengths of which were composition and colour rather than use of light as a central element.
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04/14/2004 11:50:39 AM · #6 |
The Apr7th blog entry is interesting at //www.lenswork.com/stl-web/b2/index.php where he disputes the oft repeated idea that photography is about light.
Photography is about light in the way that painting is about paint.
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 11:50:47.
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04/14/2004 11:59:51 AM · #7 |
That's what I was trying to say.
That in some ways the light is the most important because without it there is NO photograph but at the same time it doesn't have to be the central strength of the image...
I guess I didn't say it very well.
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04/14/2004 12:12:06 PM · #8 |
| Think there is no rule of thumb for a good image or challenge submission. But in 99% or more of pictures that are generaly thought of as "good" at least 2 of the things you mention are included. |
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04/14/2004 12:25:11 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
The title is just 'Tips & Tricks #' |
Which might explain why it fell off the front page so quickly, instead of having a title like "Required photographic elements for a good picture?" that might attract some attention and make it easy for folks browsing the "Tips & Tricks" forum to find later on... =] |
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04/14/2004 03:22:00 PM · #10 |
I think that a good picture tends to convey the essence or honesty of its subject with the least distraction. A great picture does this with astounding aesthetic impact.
I have found that most entries have either little aesthetic impact by design, and/or have lots of distracting elements because of less than ideal composition, planning, or editing.
This way of judging pictures, for me at least, has made grading and commenting easier. |
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04/14/2004 05:57:35 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by Gordon:
The title is just 'Tips & Tricks #' |
Which might explain why it fell off the front page so quickly, instead of having a title like "Required photographic elements for a good picture?" that might attract some attention and make it easy for folks browsing the "Tips & Tricks" forum to find later on... =] |
feel free to change it... though I certainly wouldn't be so bold as to say they are required.
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 17:58:50.
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04/14/2004 06:04:48 PM · #12 |
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04/14/2004 06:26:45 PM · #13 |
I'm curious Gordon, as to why you've grouped texture and composition together? Colour of course one could debate for ever, but if it would perhaps be more accurate to say 'tonality' - meaning a considered demonstration of the change of depth of colour through the frame - then I would absolutely agree.
Action I would absolutely disagree with. Also with colour in the sense of opposition to mono.
If you demonstrate/portray/capture texture in a thought-out composition, then you're certainly well on the way to a good shot.
Are you just trying to guage opinions here?
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04/14/2004 06:44:37 PM · #14 |
It was a suggestion, that you have basically 4 things you can play with to make a good image.
Colour, if there is plenty of colour in what you are shooting. If it is a basically monochromatic, scene, then something else is required to make it a good picture
Action is something you can certainly hang a picture on - a great picture could have plenty of action, and maybe not so great colour or light.
Texture/ compositional elements - interesting pictures can be made of just textures and shape relationships
Light - light can make or break some pictures, but be completely irrelevant to the impact of others.
Basic idea was that you have these few things to work with - and most any good picture has at least 2 of these things going for them. It is more unusual to see good pictures that only have one of these elements.
I'm curious why you would absolutely disagree with the fact that action can be a contributing part to a great photograph - though I think it is just because I'm explaining myself badly. Action/ motion is certainly an underused feature in entries here, but for those that do it well, combined by another one of these elements, you'll see the consistantly do well (wheels being a good example) colour & action...
I'm trying to suggest that if you can get at least 2 right, you have a potentially good shot.
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 18:47:01.
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04/14/2004 06:55:46 PM · #15 |
I think i agree with you - I certainly agree that there should be more than one thing going on in almost all good photographs.
I didn't mean that Action didn't make a good photograph (though it features very little in my own work, come to think of it) - I meant that it wasn't required - which is what I thought you were saying.
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