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10/02/2008 10:25:12 PM · #1 |
| Just a question to everyone out there. Why do everyone complain and moan and groan about taxes? i pay taxes, i dont really have a problem with it. i get a paycheck and a big chunk goes to taxes and its like 'wow that sucks' but its not enough of a problem for me to completely freak out about it like some people do. Why is it elections seem to revolve around candidates constantly claiming to lower your taxes? Any opinions out there...? |
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10/02/2008 10:54:15 PM · #2 |
At what point WOULD you freak out about money you earned being taken away?
5k a year?
15?
25?
100?
Being self employed (luckily for me losing money so no tax this year or next) I have to pay 15% in social security (which I'm likely never to see) plus an additional percentage that changes based on how much we make.
So if by some great luck we clear and take out 100k next year. Then 15,000 goes to Social Security and an additional 10,000 or so in federal tax (we have kids so could be worse). Then if you live in a state with state income tax... take out another chunk.
Then there is property tax (about 4k a year for our house). And Sales tax... gracious.. and gasoline tax and... and... and...
That's over 30,000 a year.. just gone that's a hell of a chunk I could buy a NICE car with that... or... oh my a 5D and lenses!!! And those are only SOME of the taxes you pay. Maybe it's just most people don't think they get what they are paying for... or don't like what the government is doing with their money.
There's as many answers to your question as there are people who pay taxes in the US.
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10/02/2008 11:01:09 PM · #3 |
| anyone else out there interested in contributing? |
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10/02/2008 11:07:02 PM · #4 |
[reasonable tone of voice]
For me it comes down to who I have confidence will spend my money better. I think I can make better decisions for me and my family than some congress filled with folks who want to spend money my money for someone else's benefit. I'm not freaking out about it. But if it comes to a choice between giving congress more or less of my money, I prefer less. I don't have any remaining trust in congress, or my congressmen, that they in fact represent me, my or my family's interest.
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10/02/2008 11:15:41 PM · #5 |
| now i feel all pro-government. for me the money just goes away and is spent as the geverment needs it. egads im scaring myself |
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10/02/2008 11:34:35 PM · #6 |
I once was 16 and worked hard for a living just like your doing. And yes, as I look back, I thought of taxes the same way you do; that sucks but hey I have this left. But as a person gets older more responsibility is place on that person and money doesn't go as far as it did when we were in teens mostly supporting ourselves. Those responsibilities (such as a spouse, children, insurance, taking care of parents that are aging, and the list goes on) require more of our hard earned money. But the government keeps taking. We know we have to pay taxes and I think the issue is how the government spends OUR money. Is the government using our money efficiently so that we could retain more of our pay checks and pay less taxes or, are they wastefully spending our money and asking for more.
This is where the tax issue comes into play, at least for me and my family.
Message edited by author 2008-10-02 23:47:18. |
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10/02/2008 11:36:15 PM · #7 |
Yea I'm gonna be pissed if they take more out.
Its dark and I'm cold
I want my mommy
I wish I was 9 years old again
Message edited by author 2008-10-02 23:49:56. |
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10/02/2008 11:38:40 PM · #8 |
we are taxed
for that we get:
roads
garbage pickup
sewer
clean water
snowplows in the winter
street sweepers in the summer
we get to give to the arts, forgien aid, the disposed or the incapapble
police, prisons, a fair justice system
education k-12 & subsidized post secondary
armed forces / domestic & abroad
(& in canada we get heath care)
customs / imigration / food inspectors/ basic research / libraries / public transpertation ..
i'm sure i'm missing a few things ...
Pardon me .. what is the complaint ??
or what would you do without ? & how many people wouuld be harmed by the lack of funding ?
the greater good is funded by our taxes .. shouldn't we put in our fair share ?
i pay alot of taxes (+40% income 13% consumption & plenty in property taxes etc .. ) .. & i do not begrudge the money sent ..
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10/02/2008 11:41:15 PM · #9 |
I feel alot like  Dr.Confuser but I can also add that government spends money for everyone's benefit, also. Infrastructure, safety, transportation, water, education, emergency services, security; these are all things that are better left to organizations that are equipped to deal with the immense size of these issues, along with the oversight needed to ensure continuity of same. It's pretty much the price of living in a society, as opposed to a state of anarchy.
Now if we could control the abuses of power... |
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10/02/2008 11:50:57 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:
now i feel all pro-government. for me the money just goes away and is spent as the goverment needs it. egad I'm scaring myself |
Ahhh, I too once viewed the world through rose colored glasses! Adolescence will do that! Enjoy it and revel in it.
My view: Taxes are a necessary evil, but we are over taxed, and I'm fairly liberal. I've vowed to never vote with my wallet in mind, but I'm getting frustrated with all the talk of increasing taxes to fix government errors and spending blunders (i.e. California). |
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10/02/2008 11:53:31 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by ralph:
we are taxed
for that we get:
roads
garbage pickup
sewer
clean water
snowplows in the winter
street sweepers in the summer
we get to give to the arts, forgien aid, the disposed or the incapapble
police, prisons, a fair justice system
education k-12 & subsidized post secondary
armed forces / domestic & abroad
(& in canada we get heath care)
customs / imigration / food inspectors/ basic research / libraries / public transpertation ..
i'm sure i'm missing a few things ...
Pardon me .. what is the complaint ??
or what would you do without ? & how many people wouuld be harmed by the lack of funding ?
the greater good is funded by our taxes .. shouldn't we put in our fair share ?
i pay alot of taxes (+40% income 13% consumption & plenty in property taxes etc .. ) .. & i do not begrudge the money sent .. |
Agree with the fundamentals of this statement...that's why we have taxes. But I'm growing to feel that taxes should not be raised, or created, to fix government problems. |
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10/02/2008 11:54:54 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by SDW:
I once was 16 and worked hard for a living just like your doing. And yes, as I look back, I thought of taxes the same way you do; that sucks but hey I have this left. But as a person gets older more responsibility is place on that person and money doesn't go as far as it did when we were in teens mostly supporting ourselves. Those responsibilities (such as a spouse, children, insurance, taking care of parents that are aging, and the list goes on) require more of our hard earned money. But the government keeps taking. We know we have to pay taxes and I think the issue is how the government spends OUR money. Is the government using our money efficiently so that we could retain more of our pay checks and pay less taxes or, are they wastefully spending our money and asking for more.
This is where the tax issue comes into play, at least for me and my family. |
Amen! |
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10/03/2008 12:02:16 AM · #13 |
| in response to Ralph, i wasn't complaining. i just have my opinions and i really enjoy hearing dpcers opinons since most of you seem to be rather good at expressing yourselves while still being intelligent about it:) |
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10/03/2008 01:17:02 AM · #14 |
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10/03/2008 01:25:13 AM · #15 |
It's not so much that you should be upset about paying taxes as a general principle, but if I was your age what would really piss me off is that so much of the taxes you are paying now are doing absolutely NOTHING for you, it is merely paying interest on the unpaid bills of previous generations.
Can you imagine how much taxes could be lowered, or how much infrastructure could be improved without any tax increase, if we weren't having to service a public debt of 10 TRILLION dollars?
(Source: //www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np)
I don't mind taxation that benefits taxpayers, but way too much of what I send to Uncle Sam these days goes simply to administrative costs of running the bureaucracy and not to actual projects at all.
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10/03/2008 01:43:00 AM · #16 |
The ironic thing about every candidate vowing to decrease taxes is that they always aim to increase spending. Deficit spending is just too awesome to pass on, I guess (as antares1966's stats have pointed out).
Also, in regards to the fairtax, I don't see what is stopping companies from not reporting sales accurately, or getting around it. The explanation on the site does not satisfy anything other than saying it's fewer points to monitor. While this is true, a business audit is far more complex and time consuming than auditing an individual (usually). Plus, as we have seen recently, nothing has stopped them (large companies) from lending money that didn't exist to the tune of hundred+ billion dollars. It's also unfair to middle class folks because upper class citizens spend a lower percentage of their income on necessities. Additionally, how is foreign purchasing to be handled?
Edited for clarity
Message edited by author 2008-10-03 01:44:20. |
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10/03/2008 01:52:03 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
The ironic thing about every candidate vowing to decrease taxes is that they always aim to increase spending. Deficit spending is just too awesome to pass on, I guess (as antares1966's stats have pointed out).
Edited for clarity |
Let's put it this way...you've just been given a kickass VISA with an unlimited credit limit, and you only have to pay it back when you get around to it...only human nature what you're going to do with that. |
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10/03/2008 07:30:26 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by antares1966:
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
The ironic thing about every candidate vowing to decrease taxes is that they always aim to increase spending. Deficit spending is just too awesome to pass on, I guess (as antares1966's stats have pointed out).
Edited for clarity |
Let's put it this way...you've just been given a kickass VISA with an unlimited credit limit, and you only have to pay it back when you get around to it...only human nature what you're going to do with that. |
Please, don't put us all in the same boat. I laugh at the cheques I receive with authorized 15,000$ loans. I rip them up and throw them out and if I receive two from the same company I call them to have myself removed from their list and also give them a good talking about taking advantage of people's trouble to enrich themselves. I haven't received one in years. I do the same with pre authorized credit cards. I phone them and demand they stop sending me this crap.
Message edited by author 2008-10-03 07:30:45. |
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10/03/2008 07:44:47 AM · #19 |
You forgot the welfare for people who CAN work, but choose to be lazy crackheads with five kids. People who DONT pay taxes shouldn't be able to vote.
Originally posted by ralph:
we are taxed
for that we get:
roads
garbage pickup
sewer
clean water
snowplows in the winter
street sweepers in the summer
we get to give to the arts, forgien aid, the disposed or the incapapble
police, prisons, a fair justice system
education k-12 & subsidized post secondary
armed forces / domestic & abroad
(& in canada we get heath care)
customs / imigration / food inspectors/ basic research / libraries / public transpertation ..
i'm sure i'm missing a few things ...
Pardon me .. what is the complaint ??
or what would you do without ? & how many people wouuld be harmed by the lack of funding ?
the greater good is funded by our taxes .. shouldn't we put in our fair share ?
i pay alot of taxes (+40% income 13% consumption & plenty in property taxes etc .. ) .. & i do not begrudge the money sent .. |
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10/03/2008 07:55:49 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
You forgot the welfare for people who CAN work, but choose to be lazy crackheads with five kids. People who DONT pay taxes shouldn't be able to vote.
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As if they vote now. lol |
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10/03/2008 08:02:45 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:
Just a question to everyone out there. Why do everyone complain and moan and groan about taxes? i pay taxes, i dont really have a problem with it. i get a paycheck and a big chunk goes to taxes and its like 'wow that sucks' but its not enough of a problem for me to completely freak out about it like some people do. Why is it elections seem to revolve around candidates constantly claiming to lower your taxes? Any opinions out there...? |
We need to get rid of the income tax and go to a consumption tax. More fair for everyone involved and actually INCREASES the amount of money the gummint gets without putting undue pressure on the people.
But if not, then we need to get rid of the expired paycheck withholding. Go back to the system where everyone pays their tax bill at the end of the year. Once people truly understand how much they are paying in taxes, there will be a tax revolt to make the Boston Tea Party look like a tea party. |
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10/03/2008 08:07:49 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by ralph:
we are taxed
for that we get:
roads
garbage pickup
sewer
clean water
snowplows in the winter
street sweepers in the summer
we get to give to the arts, forgien aid, the disposed or the incapapble
police, prisons, a fair justice system
education k-12 & subsidized post secondary
armed forces / domestic & abroad
(& in canada we get heath care)
customs / imigration / food inspectors/ basic research / libraries / public transpertation ..
i'm sure i'm missing a few things ...
Pardon me .. what is the complaint ??
or what would you do without ? & how many people wouuld be harmed by the lack of funding ?
the greater good is funded by our taxes .. shouldn't we put in our fair share ?
i pay alot of taxes (+40% income 13% consumption & plenty in property taxes etc .. ) .. & i do not begrudge the money sent .. |
Sounds like socialism to me.
Provide for a common defense and insure the GENERAL welfare.
In most place that have street sweepers and public sanitation, that is paid for monthly by the users.
Schools get money from property taxes as well as the Federal teet. But education is not a function of the federal government, it's a local thing. Too much centralization stifles competition and improvement. Kids learned much better 50 years ago than they do now, because of all the regulations and policies put into place to "level" the playing field.
Reduce taxes on everyone as Bush properly did, yes, including the rich who already pay more than their fair share. Reduction at the top creates jobs as well as giving opportunties for everyone to be charitable (as it should be). PEOPLE should decide where they wish to give in donation and what arts they support. The government should not be deciding what programs and artwork is worthy of tax dollars -- because none of it is.
A very minimal basic "safety net" is required. Not the bloat we have now.
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10/03/2008 08:20:38 AM · #23 |
They do in Baltimore. That's why the democrats always win in our state. All the republican votes come from the suburbs and since Baltimore is so big and populated with dirtbag abusers, I'll have to keep supporting them.
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
You forgot the welfare for people who CAN work, but choose to be lazy crackheads with five kids. People who DONT pay taxes shouldn't be able to vote.
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As if they vote now. lol |
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10/03/2008 08:21:32 AM · #24 |
| What does the government do with all the tax money they get from lottery winners? That's a lot of money. |
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10/03/2008 08:23:54 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
They do in Baltimore. That's why the democrats always win in our state. All the republican votes come from the suburbs and since Baltimore is so big and populated with dirtbag abusers, I'll have to keep supporting them.
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
You forgot the welfare for people who CAN work, but choose to be lazy crackheads with five kids. People who DONT pay taxes shouldn't be able to vote.
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As if they vote now. lol |
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How insulting can you get? I hope you don't work for the government. |
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