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10/02/2008 01:02:33 AM · #1 |
Just want to share this information with the DPC members and users.
CHECK your tires on your car.
A brand new tire that is over 6 years old may be more dangerous then a tire used for 3 years.
ABC Video Report
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10/02/2008 06:44:09 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Just want to share this information with the DPC members and users.
CHECK your tires on your car.
A brand new tire that is over 6 years old may be more dangerous then a tire used for 3 years.
ABC Video Report |
PLEASE be careful with this kind of thing!
These scare stories have so many extenuating circumstances that you MUST realize that this is the exception rather than the rule.
The chances of finding six year old brand new tires somewhere in any developed nation are just about zero.
Unnecessary scare tactics.
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10/02/2008 06:58:58 AM · #3 |
Facts versus opinions....... which one to guide us? I would be more carefulof assumptions like "The chances of finding six year old brand new tires somewhere in any developed nation are just about zero." than a potential early warning. Thanks for posting.
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10/02/2008 09:01:48 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Unnecessary scare tactics. |
This was not UNNECESSARY.
I don't believe ABC would of run the story if there wasn't a measure of truth involved and a responsibility to the general public to educate.
I just found it as a responsibility to continue the information.
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10/02/2008 10:15:33 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The chances of finding six year old brand new tires somewhere in any developed nation are just about zero.
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Really?
Modern computerized inventory systems are good, but they're not perfect. Retail distribution systems and warehouses are really big places that are easy to lose things in. While not an everyday occurrence, I don't find the possibility to be "zero". I've seen similar things happen with other products. |
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10/02/2008 11:19:33 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by docpjv:
Facts versus opinions....... which one to guide us? I would be more carefulof assumptions like "The chances of finding six year old brand new tires somewhere in any developed nation are just about zero." than a potential early warning. Thanks for posting. |
Okay.....how about 35 years experience in the automotive industry with a side specialty of sorting tire, wheel, suspension, and brake issues for most of them versus a newscast set of "Facts".
Personally, I don't much care for questionable scare tactics used by the news agencies on slow news days to pick on some industry that they really DON't know jack about, and then move on to the crisis-du-jour.
But hey, think what you want, just don't take one story by an OUTSIDE organization as gospel for what the industry does.
Oh, and as to assumptions.........as I said, I do have personal, professional knowledge of what I speak, 'kay???
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10/02/2008 11:24:26 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The chances of finding six year old brand new tires somewhere in any developed nation are just about zero. |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Really?
Modern computerized inventory systems are good, but they're not perfect. Retail distribution systems and warehouses are really big places that are easy to lose things in. While not an everyday occurrence, I don't find the possibility to be "zero". I've seen similar things happen with other products. |
Sure, there will always be something that slips through the carcks, but that's true of any industry......I'm not saying that it can't or won't happen, justr that it's very unlikely to be an issue for the majority of the people likely to read it here as most of us using these computers are likely to be from areas where turnovers in most inventory are a reality.
Hey, I'm just trying to add a word of caution the other direction, feel free to disregard or nitpick what I have to say to your heart's content.
Believe what you want.
I'm definitely sorry I said anything.
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10/02/2008 11:26:54 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
I don't believe ABC would of run the story if there wasn't a measure of truth involved and a responsibility to the general public to educate.
I just found it as a responsibility to continue the information. |
Right.......
All news is true, nothing printed or filmed is ever sensationalized for the 30 second spot.
And who asked you to incur this "responsibility"?
Personally, I think it's irresponsible if you didn't check it out through other sources.
But again, just my opinion.
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10/02/2008 11:50:26 AM · #9 |
| Ok, the next challenge idea is to go out and get a photo of new six year old tires on the shelf, good hunting:P |
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10/02/2008 12:01:44 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by docpjv:
Facts versus opinions....... which one to guide us? I would be more carefulof assumptions like "The chances of finding six year old brand new tires somewhere in any developed nation are just about zero." than a potential early warning. Thanks for posting. |
Okay.....how about 35 years experience in the automotive industry with a side specialty of sorting tire, wheel, suspension, and brake issues for most of them versus a newscast set of "Facts".
Personally, I don't much care for questionable scare tactics used by the news agencies on slow news days to pick on some industry that they really DON't know jack about, and then move on to the crisis-du-jour.
But hey, think what you want, just don't take one story by an OUTSIDE organization as gospel for what the industry does.
Oh, and as to assumptions.........as I said, I do have personal, professional knowledge of what I speak, 'kay??? |
Know the feeling ALL too well...remember back quite a few years when some news agency decided to report that the amalgam fillings in your mouth were leaking mercury and you should have them all replaced with acrylic before it hurts or kills you? Man, everyday our waiting rooms were packed with scared people, demanding to have all their fillings replaced. Constant leaders saying we need to get our guys in and fixed before they do damage. 19 years in the dental clinics I never once found a dentist that agreed with that report. They would argue that the amount of mercury released by REMOVING the filling far exceeded the very minute amount that may leak from the filling. It took a LONG time for the fires to cool down...before someone mentioned it again.
Next thing you know, they'll be telling us cell phones cause brain tumors. ;)
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10/02/2008 12:06:02 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The chances of finding six year old brand new tires somewhere in any developed nation are just about zero. |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Really?
Modern computerized inventory systems are good, but they're not perfect. Retail distribution systems and warehouses are really big places that are easy to lose things in. While not an everyday occurrence, I don't find the possibility to be "zero". I've seen similar things happen with other products. |
Sure, there will always be something that slips through the carcks, but that's true of any industry......I'm not saying that it can't or won't happen, justr that it's very unlikely to be an issue for the majority of the people likely to read it here as most of us using these computers are likely to be from areas where turnovers in most inventory are a reality.
Hey, I'm just trying to add a word of caution the other direction, feel free to disregard or nitpick what I have to say to your heart's content.
Believe what you want.
I'm definitely sorry I said anything. |
OK, I'm not saying it's likely, it's not. What I will say is that it's a good idea to check such things, but certainly no need to panic. In all likelihood, it's not an issue for most people, but the potential consequences are significant enough to warrant some investigation on the part of the consumer.
If you hear about a recall of a product that's unsafe and you own a similar product, even though the chances of your product being affected are small, don't you check?
Message edited by author 2008-10-02 12:06:37. |
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10/02/2008 12:13:26 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The chances of finding six year old brand new tires somewhere in any developed nation are just about zero. |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Really?
Modern computerized inventory systems are good, but they're not perfect. Retail distribution systems and warehouses are really big places that are easy to lose things in. While not an everyday occurrence, I don't find the possibility to be "zero". I've seen similar things happen with other products. |
I did say "just about".
BTW, there's an acronym/name for old stuff lost in warehouses, and in the car industry it's very much sought after.....NOS parts....New Old Stock.
There are even restoration suppliers that specialize in scouring old shops and dealerships that have closed, moved, or changed hands.
Again, an exposure to the actual industry and experience thing....
I must admit that I find it amusing that my input questioning a news story has been so blasted....has anyone attemted to establish the veracity of said news story?
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10/02/2008 12:16:45 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The chances of finding six year old brand new tires somewhere in any developed nation are just about zero. |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Really?
Modern computerized inventory systems are good, but they're not perfect. Retail distribution systems and warehouses are really big places that are easy to lose things in. While not an everyday occurrence, I don't find the possibility to be "zero". I've seen similar things happen with other products. |
I did say "just about".
BTW, there's an acronym/name for old stuff lost in warehouses, and in the car industry it's very much sought after.....NOS parts....New Old Stock.
There are even restoration suppliers that specialize in scouring old shops and dealerships that have closed, moved, or changed hands.
Again, an exposure to the actual industry and experience thing....
I must admit that I find it amusing that my input questioning a news story has been so blasted....has anyone attemted to establish the veracity of said news story? |
I'll give you the "just about" and still say it's worth checking.
Due to the way rubber degrades over time, I'd be very reluctant to put NOS tires on my car. |
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10/02/2008 12:22:35 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
If you hear about a recall of a product that's unsafe and you own a similar product, even though the chances of your product being affected are small, don't you check? |
Absolutely!
But I neither worry nor act 'til I look at both sides of the coin.
The tire thing has been ongoing for years in various iterations usually resulting in a ton of erroneous information coming from the news industry.
Firestone has taken a nasty beating on two separate occasions that was unfair, and when the American public first started using radial tires the misconceptions that ran amok were almost laughable were they not so sad and potentially dangerous.
Those of us who actually knew something about them had a long road to hoe 'til we got a grip here on the actual care and usage of the tires.
The American public and its car industry is still pretty much about two decades behind the European car industry. The best thing I've seen happen is that finally in Detroit, they've seen the advantage of buying both car companies and their technology from across the pond.
And tires are a big part of that.
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10/02/2008 12:28:25 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I'll give you the "just about" and still say it's worth checking. |
Absolutely. That actually was my original point......don't put too much stock in a news story....check it out.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Due to the way rubber degrades over time, I'd be very reluctant to put NOS tires on my car. |
Generally, that is NOT done......anything rubber, neoprene, and other degradable parts like cork and that kind of thing is discarded......NOS hydraulic parts that have rubber seals are taken apart & refurbished with all new seals.
Belts and hoses are generally thrown out or used solely as a template in the case of a real rare component/part.
BTW, there's kind of a joke amongst those of us that restore cars.......when we're looking for that no longer manufactured NOS part, we'll often refer to it as being made of that rare and unique material.......Unobtanium!
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10/02/2008 12:52:15 PM · #16 |
ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX; = Entertainment Tonight
I'm with Jeb. I challenge anyone to find a set of six year old brand spanking new tires. Only regular tire sizes apply. :)
Is the recap/re-thread business still alive in the US? If so, how many years can the tires be used for by these businesses before they become scrap rubber? |
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10/02/2008 12:59:32 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Is the recap/re-thread business still alive in the US? If so, how many years can the tires be used for by these businesses before they become scrap rubber? |
Mostly with over-the-road trucks which is a seriously booming industry.
These guys are pretty much the standard of that industry: //www.bandag.com/Company/WhoWeAre.aspx
I haven't seen recaps for cars in years.
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10/02/2008 01:21:20 PM · #18 |
| Before anybody buys tires, check the DOT code on the tire near the rim. The last four digits should be numbers (sometimes inside a rectangle or oval), with the first two digits being the week number and the last two digits are the year. So a code of say 3407 would be the 34th week of 2007. |
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10/02/2008 01:27:09 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
I don't believe ABC would of run the story if there wasn't a measure of truth involved and a responsibility to the general public to educate. |
Don't forget NBC's report about pickup truck tanks exploding.
NBC Settles Truck Crash Lawsuit, Saying Test Was 'Inappropriate'
Trust but Verify. |
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10/02/2008 01:29:33 PM · #20 |
It's just a matter of trust. Who do you trust more, a television broadcasting network or a tire retailer?
I'd say neither, but if I had to choose, I'd pick the tire guys.
Nothing wrong with caution, but it shouldn't get in the way of leading your life. There are risks far greater than this one that we take without even thinking about them.
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10/02/2008 01:47:22 PM · #21 |
| No need for trust on either side. How many grocery stores have rotten milk on the shelves? You check the date, don't you? It sounds simple enough (and worth it) to check the date code when you buy tires. You could thank ABC and Man-Horse for the secret decoder ring. |
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10/02/2008 02:02:03 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Jac:
Is the recap/re-thread business still alive in the US? If so, how many years can the tires be used for by these businesses before they become scrap rubber? |
Mostly with over-the-road trucks which is a seriously booming industry.
These guys are pretty much the standard of that industry: //www.bandag.com/Company/WhoWeAre.aspx
I haven't seen recaps for cars in years. |
I hate retreads, I think they should be illegal. There's nothiong like driving near a truck when one of those decides to come apart at 70mph. |
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10/02/2008 02:14:21 PM · #23 |
Why can't we all just get along?
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10/02/2008 02:14:21 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I hate retreads, I think they should be illegal. There's nothiong like driving near a truck when one of those decides to come apart at 70mph. |
Yeah, but come on - there are so few thrills left in life. :) |
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10/02/2008 02:14:52 PM · #25 |
Hey - speaking of retreads...
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