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04/12/2004 09:14:21 PM · #26 |
Sounds like another Big Headed "Pro" wanting to get rid of the beginners.
What a crock this is. Even If my photo scores I 1 (one) I would leave it in. Just to piss you off.
I would take cruddy pictures, out of focus, off topic, and submit anything to the challenge. Just to piss you off.
Yeah, Lets put more restrictions, and Discourage even more People from joining this site.
OBTW, where does it say 'Pros Only'.. Just curious.
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04/12/2004 09:17:21 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by littlegett: Sounds like another Big Headed "Pro" wanting to get rid of the beginners.
What a crock this is. Even If my photo scores I 1 (one) I would leave it in. Just to piss you off.
I would take cruddy pictures, out of focus, off topic, and submit anything to the challenge. Just to piss you off.
Yeah, Lets put more restrictions, and Discourage even more People from joining this site.
OBTW, where does it say 'Pros Only'.. Just curious. |
LOL! who pissed in your beer today?
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04/12/2004 09:18:10 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by bjallen: I agree most wouldn't pull their entry, (optimistic or something like that)...howver I have often thought there should a beginner, intermediate, and expert catagory, you can chose yourself where you want to enter, but the beginner would be encouraged to enter more often id the competition wasn't so stiiff. Just a thought.. |
I see your point there bjallen, but it can also be a problematic approach I think.
I often don't have time to vote on everything, but I do what I can (and probably vote 100% on 75% + challenges).
If I am short on time and I had that as an option, realistically I'd probably only go vote on the top ranking challenge, as I would expect to see better photos there (rightly or wrongly). As a result the lower category might not get as many people look at it, so they'd get less feedback.
I do admit, that given a choice of looking at 50 great photos in a group of 200 decent photos, or simply fast tracking and only seeing the 50 great ones, I'd probably choose that path whenever I was short of time, and suspect many others would also.
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04/12/2004 09:25:50 PM · #29 |
You'd generally vote on the challenge you've entered yourself, I think it would be pretty even, even so, the best photographers would get the most views..I think a lot of people leave DP because they think they'll never achieve the sought after "8" |
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04/12/2004 09:37:38 PM · #30 |
littlegett... I am a beginner |
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04/12/2004 09:44:58 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by littlegett: Sounds like another Big Headed "Pro" wanting to get rid of the beginners.
What a crock this is. Even If my photo scores I 1 (one) I would leave it in. Just to piss you off.
I would take cruddy pictures, out of focus, off topic, and submit anything to the challenge. Just to piss you off.
Yeah, Lets put more restrictions, and Discourage even more People from joining this site.
OBTW, where does it say 'Pros Only'.. Just curious. |
Me? Big headed pro. Give me a frikken break. Take a look at my profile before you make those assumptions. You wanna see bad shots, go through my list. Big headed pro. LOL You must be kidding right?
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04/13/2004 12:09:15 AM · #32 |
Giving people the option to withdraw a picture that was not doing well would break continuity with the 200 or so past challenges in regards to the Avg Vote Received statistic. It may not mean much to some, and is slightly corrupted by the trends in voting, but that statistic is a measure that some of us use to guage our own progress. I made it a New Years Resolution to have a higher Avg Vote Received by the end of '04. I don't think the continuity of that stat is something we should do away with. It serves a purpose. |
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04/13/2004 12:19:55 AM · #33 |
Totally off subject but why not a 24 hour period of non-voting and just browsing of others' photos and then let the voting begin? Just a thought, maybe scores would be a little higher or even lower? Might allow voters time to let some images sink in. Who knows?
Now on topic, being that I suck real bad; I could see that it might be nice to remove a photo from voting every now and then. No I am not being sarcastic. |
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04/13/2004 01:16:59 AM · #34 |
I think this option would be a bad idea. Effectively, you'd be allowing people to enter a challenge or not depending on whether they're going to score well, or not. What on earth is the point of that?
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04/13/2004 01:48:25 AM · #35 |
Well at least I didn't get any death threats.....yet. Yikes!! Just a suggestion. Peace. ;)
Message edited by author 2004-04-13 01:49:22.
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04/13/2004 02:47:01 AM · #36 |
well if it can be reviewed for qualifications, DQed, unsubmitted before voting started, disqualified, ect..... then sure sounds good to me first 24 hours a picture can be unsubmitted! I know I have had a few, got 1 now in windows challenge, worst yet!!!
But then again if we take away all the low average voted pics before the week got started then voting would be hard to compare quality cause only higher rated pictures would be left. Theres got to be beginning middle and end.....or other words first and last and we need to be able to learn and train the eye to better our own photography!
It can be frustrating though with the number of entries, If I had time I would vote love to view all of them and vote for too....
There has to be another way though seeing how theres so many entries, like splitting the challenge entries into categories of voting so that the overwhelm of so many pictures wont make it so hard,,,,maybe like when submitting to a challenge there could be a box to check like amature, professional, mentor , mentee, hobbiest, student, ect.....
Shucks though that couldnt be right either,when the object is to learn from everyone, heck this is almost a rant topic! (sorry for rambling on not making sense)
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04/13/2004 02:57:54 AM · #37 |
What is your objective in submitting photos? If it is to better your skills they why would you want to remove - feedback is the stuff of champions. Alternatively if you submit photos so that your profile looks good I think that is a little short sited. It is like quitting in the first quarter if your team is losing. I don't like, I think it encourages an becoming behaviour. |
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04/13/2004 09:19:00 AM · #38 |
I'd rather see something that encouraged people to enter only their best work, rather than something that would potentially encourage even more mediocre entries.
Case in point, I entered 'window view' and unsubmitted it on Sunday, because it wasn't very good. I've done that on several occasions in the past too. If I knew I could pull it after the first day of voting, I'd probably just enter it 'just in case' even though I know it would only score a 5 or 6, then remove it from voting when that got proved correct in the first day.
I suspect that the inital pool would end up much larger if we went this way.
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04/13/2004 09:35:19 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Gordon: I'd rather see something that encouraged people to enter only their best work, rather than something that would potentially encourage even more mediocre entries.
Case in point, I entered 'window view' and unsubmitted it on Sunday, because it wasn't very good. I've done that on several occasions in the past too. If I knew I could pull it after the first day of voting, I'd probably just enter it 'just in case' even though I know it would only score a 5 or 6, then remove it from voting when that got proved correct in the first day.
I suspect that the inital pool would end up much larger if we went this way. |
I can see that happening, no doubt, Gordon, but not to any great degree.
Most people here don't have the 'eye' you have nor the self-control to unsubmit just before a deadline. If you could bottle your ability to recognize what is good and bad, in your own work, and sell it you would be rich(er). You don't have a tutorial do you? This is not meant as sarcasm BTW.
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04/13/2004 09:56:41 AM · #40 |
i agree with gordon. i think we would be artificially inflating the numbers with crappier shots.
also, what would stop me from just not voting during the first 24 hours?
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04/13/2004 10:45:45 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by orussell: You don't have a tutorial do you? This is not meant as sarcasm BTW. |
//mcgregorphoto.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2 :)
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04/13/2004 10:50:32 AM · #42 |
I think that once a year (new years perhaps) removing your lowest shot from portfolio would cut us all a bit of slack, yet not completely changing things. Hey even jjbeguin has a last place shot, yet we all know he is a very good photographer. : ) |
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04/13/2004 11:45:03 AM · #43 |
Thanks Gordon. Great approach. Well worth a look for any level of digital photographer.
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