Are gay rights, including gay marriage, evolving?

12/01/2014 04:37:31 PM · #6326

It's kind of crazy how much things have shifted since this thread started, huh? How many states are we up to now? 35 that issue licenses, and another 5 where marriage bans have been ruled unconstitutional, but with stayed decisions?

It's funny how the courts keep, you know, siding with my arguments.

Still happily married, BTW!

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12/01/2014 04:43:25 PM · #6327

Originally posted by Mousie:

Imagine that!

Maybe an outbreak of common sense and decency?

Nah! How could that be?

LOL!!!

GeneralE

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12/01/2014 05:02:52 PM · #6328

Originally posted by Mousie:

It's kind of crazy how much things have shifted since this thread started, huh?

Still happily married, BTW!

Now, if you can only start threads on income inequality and universal tolerance achieving similar results the world will indeed have to acknowledge your special powers ... :-)

And congratulations!

12/01/2014 06:25:05 PM · #6329

Society hasn't collapsed yet, maybe we should give it some more time.

Mike

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12/02/2014 09:12:54 AM · #6330

being gay doesn't threaten the rich.

12/02/2014 09:30:13 AM · #6331

Originally posted by Mike:

being gay doesn't threaten the rich.

Wow....

Don't know much about old money bigots, do you.

Those are the sanctity of marriage folks.......exponentially.

Ever heard of the term "Remittance Man"?

Its secondary meaning was to make an "uncomfortable" family member go away......the remittances keep showing up, as long as you never do.

Mike

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12/02/2014 10:07:31 AM · #6332

thats before all the public acceptance.

being gay doesn't hold the negative connotation it once did.

12/02/2014 11:16:02 AM · #6333

Originally posted by Mike:

thats before all the public acceptance.

being gay doesn't hold the negative connotation it once did.

Good one!

If you think that the WASP bastions of tradition, old money, and the sanctity of marriage have changed, you're sorely mistaken.

The *only* upside is that, like my father, they're slowly dying off, and those of us who grew up under their influence, horrified by their narrow-mindedness, are breaking the chain of it being handed down to our children.

And yes........I am a black sheep for my views and opinions which contrast so starkly with my parents generation and social standing.

Unfortunately, there are still many of my generation that still hold onto all too many of the social strictures of their parents.

Mike

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12/02/2014 11:52:19 AM · #6334

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

The *only* upside is that, like my father, they're slowly dying off, and those of us who grew up under their influence, horrified by their narrow-mindedness, are breaking the chain of it being handed down to our children.

of course they are, a black president got elected.

12/02/2014 01:51:12 PM · #6335

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Mike:
thats before all the public acceptance.

being gay doesn't hold the negative connotation it once did.

Good one!

If you think that the WASP bastions of tradition, old money, and the sanctity of marriage have changed, you're sorely mistaken.

The *only* upside is that, like my father, they're slowly dying off, and those of us who grew up under their influence, horrified by their narrow-mindedness, are breaking the chain of it being handed down to our children.

And yes........I am a black sheep for my views and opinions which contrast so starkly with my parents generation and social standing.

Unfortunately, there are still many of my generation that still hold onto all too many of the social strictures of their parents.

ETA:My sister was never able to tell my father she voted for Clinton, and my father would have disowned me, again, had he known I voted for Obama.

You think he wouldn't have become apoplectic if he knew I voted for Obama?

That generation, and social ilk is still having trouble with black people, and Jews applying to their country clubs.

Trust me, they are *NOT* ready to accept gay couples.

12/02/2014 02:01:27 PM · #6336

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

of course they are, a black president got elected.

That is one upside of having that kind of parent and growing up in a more enlightened era.

It ended up being a kind of reverse prejudice for a lot of my generation.

We were the anti-establishment kids of the 60s & 70s that realized as we got out into the real world that who we were and what we stood for was more relevant than where we came from.

Hopefully, the open and interested in whom we're sharing life's journeys with attitude that we've tried to impart to our children goes a long way to bridge the gap.

I'm very proud of my daughter......she seems very much to accept people for who they are.

I am prejudiced.......I hate assholes.

Unfortunately, the f*ckers won't wear a sign and save us the effort of having to get to know that. LOL!!!

12/02/2014 04:41:33 PM · #6337

I don't think we're quite yet there, Mike... the gays are only winning via judicial tyranny, not votes, right?

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12/02/2014 04:45:52 PM · #6338

Originally posted by Mousie:

I don't think we're quite yet there, Mike... the gays are only winning via judicial tyranny, not votes, right?

Well, Geez!

I'd like to think some of us regular folks with hearts & compassion have something to do with it.

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12/02/2014 05:04:52 PM · #6339

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Mousie:
I don't think we're quite yet there, Mike... the gays are only winning via judicial tyranny, not votes, right?

Well, Geez!

I'd like to think some of us regular folks with hearts & compassion have something to do with it.

He was being sarcastic, Jeb :-)

12/03/2014 04:24:06 PM · #6340

Yes, that was sarcasm. :)

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12/03/2014 07:23:25 PM · #6341

I was just reminiscing by reading back through some of the earlier comments, and I found this, which I'll leave unattributed to be gentle:

Frankly, in 47 states Mousie's union isn't a marriage by anything other than opinion.

I feel pretty good about this little argument getting undermined so thoroughly. It's even better when you don't count the number of states, but count the number of citizens living where it's no longer an opinion, but law.

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12/03/2014 07:59:19 PM · #6342

This thread was staying on the front page back when I first signed up on DPC in 2007. I see its holding up over time. This is my first post in it, however.

My opinion had always been that of having no objection to homosexuals or their rights. It's not harming me in any way, and I am not a religious person, so have no bible based issues with it.

In the course of that time, gay rights has become an important issue for me, due to having a gay daughter. It irritates me when people thump their bibles and tell others what do do with their personal lives. I have a better relationship with my daughter because I accept her for who she is. (Though she would love for me to go from "acceptance" to waving a rainbow flag.)

Her last girlfriend didn't have as easy a time. Her mom gave her grief and decided that my daughter was what had turned her's gay. It caused a lot of problems. She really didn't have a clue. It is just how some people are wired.

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Nullix

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12/05/2014 07:37:00 PM · #6343

This thread seems to be an echo chamber.

In most states today same sex marriage has been enforces on the people by judicial review. It doesn't seem to be a choice of the people.

The latest from Michigan is a law have to protect religious liberties: Breaking: Michigan House Passes Religious 'License To Discriminate' Bill

This seems a bit heavy handed since religion is protected under the 1st amendment.

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12/05/2014 08:34:11 PM · #6344

Originally posted by Nullix:

Hi Tom.....

I see you really haven't managed yet to open your heart and your mind to a whole segment of good and decent people who live on this earth and walk this journey with us.

I had forgotten your strange way of writing in that your statements seem so confusing. You meant to say"forced onto" as opposed to enforces, I'm assuming. What's sad about that is you're having a basic disconnect in your understanding of what equality, and freedom is all about. Nobody's forcing anyone to be a part of gay marriage. You do NOT have to marry another man. It's true!

However, in many more enlightened areas every day, people are becoming more intolerant of discrimination, especially discrimination based on something as subjective as religion.

See......I have freedom of religion. That means, I can choose to have faith and beliefs, and worship accordingly. That also means, so do you if we live in a truly free society.

This religious freedom also means freedom FROM religion. That means you can't tell me how I'm allowed to believe or worship, or how to live my life because of what you believe.

That also means that even if you don't like the way I live, or who I marry, well tough beans, because I'll marry any man or woman I choose.

So......just because your religion does not condone six foot Latvian blondes doesn't mean you can't tell me I can't marry my girlfriend.

Also.......that means if I enter into the institution of marriage, you can't tell us how to raise our dogs (No more kids, thanks!) just because we do so in a manner not with your liking.

You see, I really don't believe that any truly loving God, and faith in and of the same, would ever condone hatred and discrimination simply because their definition of how to live is different.

That's not a trait of a God.....hatred, discrimination, and bigotry are the products of humans with small minds.

Message edited by author 2014-12-05 20:58:29.

Nullix

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12/07/2014 12:27:09 AM · #6345

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Nobody's forcing anyone to be a part of gay marriage.

Except businesses are being sued, shut down or required to under go sensitivity training if the refuse to be a part of gay marriage. (Hence, Michigan's new law.)

bohemka

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12/07/2014 01:33:11 AM · #6346

Originally posted by Nullix:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Nobody's forcing anyone to be a part of gay marriage.

Except businesses are being sued, shut down or required to under go sensitivity training if the refuse to be a part of gay marriage. (Hence, Michigan's new law.)

So how did the training go?

RayEthier

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12/08/2014 09:59:49 AM · #6347

Originally posted by Nullix:

Did you even read the proposed act. Please show us exactly where in this act it discriminates against religion.

Ray

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12/08/2014 12:29:18 PM · #6348

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Did you even read the proposed act. Please show us exactly where in this act it discriminates against religion.

Some folks define "discrimination" a little differently. If your religion tells you to discriminate against a class of people, "X", and civil rights laws say you can't, then the laws are discriminating against you by not allowing you to discriminate against "X": or something like that. It begins to get a little fuzzy around the edges...

12/08/2014 12:34:59 PM · #6349

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Nobody's forcing anyone to be a part of gay marriage.

Originally posted by Nullix:

Except businesses are being sued, shut down or required to under go sensitivity training if the refuse to be a part of gay marriage. (Hence, Michigan's new law.)

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Did you even read the proposed act. Please show us exactly where in this act it discriminates against religion.

Ray

I love it.....

"Sued, shut down, or required to undergo sensitivity training if they refuse to be a part of gay marriage."

But that's not really the whole story, is it, Tom? And it doesn't have anything to with being a part of it. It's simply asking you to not interfere in their lives because you cannot tolerate who they are, having been raised with half-truths, lies, & bigotry.

Heaven forbid, sensitivity training! Horrors! To possibly enact empathy and compassion for your fellow man?

Oh, the unreasonable things we ask of you!

Message edited by author 2014-12-08 12:38:05.

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