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02/12/2013 01:24:49 AM · #5976 |
Indiana Town Launches Gay Panic Over Prom
It seems the kick gay kids out of prom thing doesn't fair so well under media scrutiny these days so these folks just wanna make another prom just for themselves (and of course are still getting a huge backlash).
Progress? ;)
My favorite dose of humor is this part:
"I believe that it was life circumstances and they chose to be that way; God created everyone equal," said Medley.
"Homosexual students come to me with their problems, and I don't agree with them, but I care about them. It's the same thing with my special needs kids, I think God puts everyone in our lives for a reason," said Madley.
Well played, special ed teacher. God DID make everyone equal didn't he? ;)
Message edited by author 2013-02-12 01:27:25. |
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02/12/2013 09:52:21 AM · #5977 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Indiana Town Launches Gay Panic Over Prom
It seems the kick gay kids out of prom thing doesn't fair so well under media scrutiny these days so these folks just wanna make another prom just for themselves (and of course are still getting a huge backlash).
Progress? ;)
My favorite dose of humor is this part:
"I believe that it was life circumstances and they chose to be that way; God created everyone equal," said Medley.
"Homosexual students come to me with their problems, and I don't agree with them, but I care about them. It's the same thing with my special needs kids, I think God puts everyone in our lives for a reason," said Madley.
Well played, special ed teacher. God DID make everyone equal didn't he? ;) |
I was confused reading this that perhaps you thought Medley was okay. She's just as much of a bigot as the rest the way I read it, isn't she?
Originally posted by Diana Medley:
When asked if she thinks gay people have a purpose in life, Medley said, âNo, I honestly donât. Sorry, but I donât. I donât understand it. A gay person isnât going to come up and make some change unless itâs to realize that it was a choice and theyâre choosing God,â |
Seems like if this is her stance, she's a pretty much your basic Bible-thumping Midwesterner.
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02/12/2013 10:16:02 AM · #5978 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Indiana Town Launches Gay Panic Over Prom
It seems the kick gay kids out of prom thing doesn't fair so well under media scrutiny these days so these folks just wanna make another prom just for themselves (and of course are still getting a huge backlash).
Progress? ;)
My favorite dose of humor is this part:
"I believe that it was life circumstances and they chose to be that way; God created everyone equal," said Medley.
"Homosexual students come to me with their problems, and I don't agree with them, but I care about them. It's the same thing with my special needs kids, I think God puts everyone in our lives for a reason," said Madley.
Well played, special ed teacher. God DID make everyone equal didn't he? ;) |
I was confused reading this that perhaps you thought Medley was okay. She's just as much of a bigot as the rest the way I read it, isn't she?
Originally posted by Diana Medley:
When asked if she thinks gay people have a purpose in life, Medley said, âNo, I honestly donât. Sorry, but I donât. I donât understand it. A gay person isnât going to come up and make some change unless itâs to realize that it was a choice and theyâre choosing God,â |
Seems like if this is her stance, she's a pretty much your basic Bible-thumping Midwesterner. |
You missed Monica's "My favorite dose of humor is this part..." lead-in, I guess. |
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02/12/2013 10:18:38 AM · #5979 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
You missed Monica's "My favorite dose of humor is this part..." lead-in, I guess. |
You got it. ;)
It's the funniest when people THINK they are being nice and end up saying something really dumb and in this case, disproving their own point. |
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02/12/2013 10:37:08 AM · #5980 |
Excerpts:
Originally posted by students and teachers:
âIf we can get a good prom then we can convince more people to come and follow what they believe,â said Sullivan High School student Kynon Johnson.
âWe want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we donât think itâs right nor should it be accepted,â said Bonnie McCammon, another student.
When asked if she thinks gay people have a purpose in life, Medley said, âNo, I honestly donât. Sorry, but I donât. I donât understand it. A gay person isnât going to come up and make some change unless itâs to realize that it was a choice and theyâre choosing God,â Medley told WTWO. |
Message edited by author 2013-02-12 10:37:22. |
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02/12/2013 11:16:43 AM · #5981 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
It's the funniest when people THINK they are being nice and end up saying something really dumb and in this case, disproving their own point. |
Kinda' like when this teacher-in-dire-need-of-special-ed claimed that God puts everyone in our lives for a reason and then immediately turned around and said gays don't have a purpose? |
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02/12/2013 02:15:20 PM · #5982 |
| I'm confused. The "alternative" prom is supposedly to have a prom for the straight kids only, but after several attempted web searches, I can't find any evidence that there are actually any openly gay kids in Sullivan, Indiana that are trying to go to the prom. Are these bigoted people really trying to keep out the homos, or is their goal to get a bunch of publicity? |
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02/12/2013 09:52:38 PM · #5983 |
Originally posted by Ann:
Are these bigoted people really trying to keep out the homos, or is their goal to get a bunch of publicity? |
if you ever wanted to see what is wrong with the US, look no further than the bible belt. |
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02/13/2013 12:48:01 AM · #5984 |
Except I didn't think Indiana was considered part of the Bible belt... They're "the heartland of America" or something like that.
In other better news, gay spouses of military members can now get ID cards! Still a way to go on things like housing, but getting there.
Article here
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02/13/2013 03:15:55 AM · #5985 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
if you ever wanted to see what is wrong with the US, look no further than the bible belt. |
when you paint with a broad brush, you cover over a lot of important details.
Vicco Kentucky, population 335, voted to ban discrimination against anyone based on sexual orientation or gender identity a few weeks ago. Say what you like but when small towns in Appalachian coal country pass that sort of thing, things are changing.
"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America." -Bill Clinton |
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02/16/2013 03:31:50 PM · #5986 |
Another small shift. Conservative San Jose Councilman Pete Constant switched sides on a largely symbolic vote on supporting California's prop 8 which bans gay marriage.
The ex-cop Tuesday night acknowledged the impact of his faith, which does not recognize gay marriage. "It keeps coming back to me that my position is clearly and deeply rooted in the faith in which I have been brought up,'' he said.
Then, in a move that was extraordinary for a conservative Republican, he used the argument of religious freedom to question his own stance. And he wound up voting for the proposal to support the gay rights advocates.
"I've been thinking about this a lot," he said. "I wouldn't want someone with a faith different than mine insisting that I follow their faith. If there was a law saying that I had to follow the tenets of another faith, I'd be pretty pissed off.'' |
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02/17/2013 12:31:10 PM · #5987 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Another small shift. Conservative San Jose Councilman Pete Constant switched sides on a largely symbolic vote on supporting California's prop 8 which bans gay marriage.
The ex-cop Tuesday night acknowledged the impact of his faith, which does not recognize gay marriage. "It keeps coming back to me that my position is clearly and deeply rooted in the faith in which I have been brought up,'' he said.
Then, in a move that was extraordinary for a conservative Republican, he used the argument of religious freedom to question his own stance. And he wound up voting for the proposal to support the gay rights advocates.
"I've been thinking about this a lot," he said. "I wouldn't want someone with a faith different than mine insisting that I follow their faith. If there was a law saying that I had to follow the tenets of another faith, I'd be pretty pissed off.'' |
Marvelous. Empathy; something we could all use a little more of. |
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03/15/2013 02:52:22 AM · #5988 |
Ohio Senator Portman (R) has announced support for gay marriage. His "evolution" on the matter began in 2011 upon his son's "coming out".
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03/15/2013 01:39:22 PM · #5989 |
| The salient point made by Portman was that until his son came out, he hadn't really thought through the issue... a stunning admission of actively working to deny equality without even considering facts or the impact on others. |
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03/15/2013 02:01:32 PM · #5990 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Ohio Senator Portman (R) has announced support for gay marriage. His "evolution" on the matter began in 2011 upon his son's "coming out". |
For the past 40 years, people have been doing studies about people's attitudes towards homosexuality, and the studies have consistently and unsurprisingly shown that people are more favorable towards gay people if they personally know at least one person who is gay. Apparently even Republicans can, to quote Jon Stewart, "be a f*cking human being," especially when the well-being of a family member is involved.
BTW, why is coming out in quotes? |
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03/15/2013 02:02:34 PM · #5991 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Ohio Senator Portman (R) has announced support for gay marriage. His "evolution" on the matter began in 2011 upon his son's "coming out". |
Funny how having a gay child can change a person's mind... |
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03/15/2013 02:23:22 PM · #5992 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
The salient point made by Portman was that until his son came out, he hadn't really thought through the issue... a stunning admission of actively working to deny equality without even considering facts or the impact on others. |
sad isnt?
i wonder what else it is that our lawmakers write policy on without thinking through.
ETA, oh right is doesnt matter, they just care to please the groups who hold the biggest checks.
Message edited by author 2013-03-15 14:24:27. |
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03/15/2013 02:33:25 PM · #5993 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by scalvert:
The salient point made by Portman was that until his son came out, he hadn't really thought through the issue... a stunning admission of actively working to deny equality without even considering facts or the impact on others. |
sad isnt?
i wonder what else it is that our lawmakers write policy on without thinking through.
ETA, oh right is doesnt matter, they just care to please the groups who hold the biggest checks. |
In a sense, isn't this the way it's designed to be, though? Not so much the MONEY part, but we elect representatives, right? They are supposed to "represent" us? So answer me this; if you have a solid, cohesive majority in your district who elected a representative who "represented" their stance that there should not be, say, a nuclear power plant on the Cockadoodle River, and if subsequently said representative voted in FAVOR of the Cockadoodle River Nuclear Plant, for whatever reason or for no reason at all, isn't s/he failing to represent the desires of the district?
Now, we CAN argue that many issues are too complex to be broken down like that, and that the best we can do is elect a representative we trust to be "wise", and then live with whatever decisions s/he comes up with after studying issues in-depth; many believe this is the true ideal of representative democracy?
So which side's right? "We elected you to vote our way, dammit!" or "We trust you to do what's best for the voters, the district, the city, the state, the country, and the world!" Which is the more viable system? |
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03/15/2013 02:40:03 PM · #5994 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
So which side's right? "We elected you to vote our way, dammit!" or "We trust you to do what's best for the voters, the district, the city, the state, the country, and the world!" Which is the more viable system? |
So your real question is Republican or Democrat, right? ;D
edit because I forgot my smiley!
Message edited by author 2013-03-15 14:40:38. |
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03/15/2013 02:44:30 PM · #5995 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
So which side's right? "We elected you to vote our way, dammit!" or "We trust you to do what's best for the voters, the district, the city, the state, the country, and the world!" Which is the more viable system? |
As in most cases, it depends -- some issues will require the one type of representation and others, well, the other, or possibly somewhere on the continuum between.
The issue of representation somewhat acts to cover up the more basic issue, that of how much of a majority should be required to deprive someone of their rights or property. Sometimes it needs a bare majority (50%+1), sometimes a "substantial" majority (60-75%), and sometimes it should never be allowed ... |
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03/15/2013 03:06:27 PM · #5996 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The issue of representation somewhat acts to cover up the more basic issue, that of how much of a majority should be required to deprive someone of their rights or property. |
I can't even begin to tell you how much this question pains me......and how much I wish it could never be asked because it's *SO* wrong.....
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03/15/2013 03:13:41 PM · #5997 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The issue of representation somewhat acts to cover up the more basic issue, that of how much of a majority should be required to deprive someone of their rights or property. |
I can't even begin to tell you how much this question pains me......and how much I wish it could never be asked because it's *SO* wrong..... |
Please explain. You believe no one can ever be deprived of rights or property for any reason whatsoever? Even the Constitution only requires "due process" ... |
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03/15/2013 03:27:03 PM · #5998 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...the best we can do is elect a representative we trust to be "wise", and then live with whatever decisions s/he comes up with after studying issues in-depth... |
This would be an example of NOT studying issues in-depth (or at all), which pretty much rules out wisdom. |
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03/15/2013 03:31:12 PM · #5999 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...the best we can do is elect a representative we trust to be "wise", and then live with whatever decisions s/he comes up with after studying issues in-depth... |
This would be an example of NOT studying issues in-depth (or at all), which pretty much rules out wisdom. |
I wonder what percentage of Congressional offices have a Magic 8-Ball ... |
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03/15/2013 03:46:28 PM · #6000 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The issue of representation somewhat acts to cover up the more basic issue, that of how much of a majority should be required to deprive someone of their rights or property. |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I can't even begin to tell you how much this question pains me......and how much I wish it could never be asked because it's *SO* wrong..... |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Please explain. You believe no one can ever be deprived of rights or property for any reason whatsoever? Even the Constitution only requires "due process" ... |
Don't be obtuse.......it happens all day every day, and the sad part is how many people think they're justified in depriving others of their rights. We as humans have a horrible habit of being cruel and unfair to those who don't agree with us.
I just think it sucks.
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