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09/16/2008 05:00:52 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Obama is the LEAST qualified person in this race. He's done nothing. Nothing. Nothing. He gives a good speech, but they are hollow. Some have likened his speeches to Chinese food, where it's pleasing at the moment, but an hour later you have nothing. |
I'd be interesting in hearing from you which of the 16 bills McCain has sponsored and have become law in his 27 years you consider to be important. |
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09/16/2008 05:04:59 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by bradshaw:
how can you say that.... |
She's from Alberta. :-P |
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09/16/2008 05:21:19 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by bradshaw:
how can you say that.... |
She's from Alberta. :-P |
ah, its all coming together now. |
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09/16/2008 05:28:25 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by rswank:
My wife is also offended by the way it is being portrayed that just because this woman has a uterus means that American women are all rallying around her and should be thrilled with the nominee. |
My wife and sister in law rant about this all the time. Whats interesting is my sister in law WAS a McCain supporter- she even gave money. After the Repub. convention she tossed her McCain sign and put up an Obama.
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09/16/2008 05:38:46 PM · #30 |
We can only hope the same sanity overcomes the average voter. This woman is the Bush in the female form. What a spectacle.
Originally posted by vxpra:
Originally posted by rswank:
My wife is also offended by the way it is being portrayed that just because this woman has a uterus means that American women are all rallying around her and should be thrilled with the nominee. |
My wife and sister in law rant about this all the time. Whats interesting is my sister in law WAS a McCain supporter- she even gave money. After the Repub. convention she tossed her McCain sign and put up an Obama. |
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09/16/2008 06:05:42 PM · #31 |
Palin is a Pot head! :-D
"Sarah Palin defends her marijuana use too, just a little differently. Palin admits to smoking marijuana, but says that during the time that she used the drug it was legal in Alaska. The Supreme Court of Alaska ruled in 1975 that a person could legally possess up to 4 oz. of marijuana for personal use. The law was reversed in 1990, making it once again illegal to possess any amount of marijuana in the state of Alaska. Sarah Palin was still committing a crime though. The laws of The United States of America, the country she hopes to help lead, state that marijuana is illegal."
//www.associatedcontent.com/article/1014334/sarah_palin_exmarijuana_smoker.html?cat=2
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09/16/2008 06:19:27 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm guessing some people (including myself) will fault Palin on her foreign affairs experience. Obama, McCain, and Biden, having all been in Washington, are likely well aware of foreign affairs and have met foreign heads of state (at least in addresses if not privately). Palin, on the other hand, was the governor of a backwater state (third smallest by population), never even had a passport until a few years ago, and likely had no need to understand our diplomatic positions with foreign countries in the day-to-day running of our country. With any of the three senators, this would not be true. |
So I'm guessing one of the few rational attempts at answering the original question simply goes unheeded? |
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09/16/2008 06:27:42 PM · #33 |
I agree that her lack of understanding and experience in regards to foreign affairs is a huge issue. There is no way she could ever tell you the name of the most powerful warlord in the pashtun region of Pakistan let alone any other major player in the region. This is proved by the fact she did not even know what the Bush doctrine is.
A VP in the modern era must have a least a base understanding of the players in regards to foreign policy and she just does not have that understanding. That to me translates to SCARY! It also puts McCain in a bad light because of this pandering pick of Palin for VP.
Not to mention she is a pot head ...
:-P
Message edited by author 2008-09-16 18:38:08. |
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09/16/2008 06:29:14 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm guessing some people (including myself) will fault Palin on her foreign affairs experience. Obama, McCain, and Biden, having all been in Washington, are likely well aware of foreign affairs and have met foreign heads of state (at least in addresses if not privately). Palin, on the other hand, was the governor of a backwater state (third smallest by population), never even had a passport until a few years ago, and likely had no need to understand our diplomatic positions with foreign countries in the day-to-day running of our country. With any of the three senators, this would not be true. |
So I'm guessing one of the few rational attempts at answering the original question simply goes unheeded? |
It's a fine answer, Doc. Just somewhat less than inflammatory, which isn't going to cut-the-mustard in Rant, n'est pas?
As for the OP, it's obvious people are going to side with their candidate's ideology first, and the ensuing character attacks will simply be hypocritical. It's Just Politics, baby. Par for the course. Fear and Loathing in the Near Room, Fear and Loathing in the Far Room.
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09/16/2008 06:31:20 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Not to mention she is a pot head ...
:-P |
Nothing wrong with that at all. At least she has the courage to own it, unlike Bill "didn't inhale" Clinton. I'd be far more worried that she honestly thinks the earth is ~6000 years old. |
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09/16/2008 06:32:19 PM · #36 |
I don't think Sarah Palin is unqualified to be Vice President. But I do believe she is unqualified to receive my vote. I require someone whom I believe has the country's best interests at heart. Everyone in the country, not just people like her.
Palin and I fill the same demographic - married with children, college educated, white collar, forty-somethings...but we are world's apart in ideology. |
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09/16/2008 06:34:23 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Not to mention she is a pot head ...
:-P |
Nothing wrong with that at all. At least she has the courage to own it, unlike Bill "didn't inhale" Clinton. I'd be far more worried that she honestly thinks the earth is ~6000 years old. |
True I find it kind of endearing that she admits to smoking weed. In fact that is just about the only thing I like about her ...
:-) |
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09/16/2008 06:47:24 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm guessing some people (including myself) will fault Palin on her foreign affairs experience. Obama, McCain, and Biden, having all been in Washington, are likely well aware of foreign affairs and have met foreign heads of state (at least in addresses if not privately). Palin, on the other hand, was the governor of a backwater state (third smallest by population), never even had a passport until a few years ago, and likely had no need to understand our diplomatic positions with foreign countries in the day-to-day running of our country. With any of the three senators, this would not be true. |
So I'm guessing one of the few rational attempts at answering the original question simply goes unheeded? |
Devils Advocate: It's a decent assessment in today's geopolitical climate that we would need someone with more foreign policy experience in office, though she is running for VP and not the top pick, granted, she is a heartbeat away from taking that top seat. Also, Bill Clinton had little to none foreign policy experience when he was governor of Arkansas and won the Presidency. |
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09/16/2008 07:00:21 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm guessing some people (including myself) will fault Palin on her foreign affairs experience. Obama, McCain, and Biden, having all been in Washington, are likely well aware of foreign affairs and have met foreign heads of state (at least in addresses if not privately). Palin, on the other hand, was the governor of a backwater state (third smallest by population), never even had a passport until a few years ago, and likely had no need to understand our diplomatic positions with foreign countries in the day-to-day running of our country. With any of the three senators, this would not be true. |
So I'm guessing one of the few rational attempts at answering the original question simply goes unheeded? |
Devils Advocate: It's a decent assessment in today's geopolitical climate that we would need someone with more foreign policy experience in office, though she is running for VP and not the top pick, granted, she is a heartbeat away from taking that top seat. Also, Bill Clinton had little to none foreign policy experience when he was governor of Arkansas and won the Presidency. |
Bill Clinton had a Bachelor's degree in Foreign Service and studied abroad. Obama has a B.A. in Political Science with a concentration in international relations. Sarah Palin has a B.S. in communications-journalism, but then she did win the Miss-Wasilla beauty contest and you can see Russia from some remote island in her state that she's probably never been to. |
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09/16/2008 07:08:51 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
First off, we've had very few senators become president. Most have been governors. |
This is not a historically valid statement. The number of presidents who were in the US Senate or a Govenor of a US State is neck and neck. At least one was both. Actually more presidents were neither a Senator or a govenor prior to their terms as president. You can however say most recently were govenors. |
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09/16/2008 07:27:20 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by rswank:
Who cares if she's qualified or not.
Her views and stances are why she shouldn't be VP.
My wife is also offended by the way it is being portrayed that just because this woman has a uterus means that American women are all rallying around her and should be thrilled with the nominee.
You saw what good her abstinence only stance did for her daughter.
Imagine what the rest of her views might do for our country once McCain edges into Senilityburg (a` la Reagan).
The thing I am dreading most if this ticket is elected is having to hear her grating voice. |
Lol. I can share your pain. |
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09/16/2008 07:34:55 PM · #42 |
The question I will agree is valid, if you are pesimistic and believe McCain will pass during his term (there is a 33%chance of this btw). However, Obama is even less qualified for the office that he seeks and he is running for president. I am not a Democrat or Republican, I am looking to find the person who will leave my money in my pocket the most. In general, I think Americans deserve better than either of the current canidates.
Originally posted by kenskid:
But...many are saying she is NOT READY to be President if needed...so question is valid.
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Can someone tell me how one of these two is READY to be president and the other is not?
We've had some Senators become president and some governors become president.
How can anyone say that Sarah Palin is not qualified and in the same breath say the Obama is ready?
If you feel Palin is ready why is Obama not ready?
KS |
Here is my major difference, Obama IS running for president. Palin ISNT running for president, she IS running for Vice President. |
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Message edited by author 2008-09-16 19:44:53. |
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09/16/2008 07:40:30 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
In general, I think Americans deserve better than eith of the current canidates.
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Can I get an AMEN, brutha? |
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09/16/2008 07:56:54 PM · #44 |
Another point in the Obama/Palin experience comparison would be Obama has 11 years experience as a representative (state and national) while Palin has 18 months as governor. I just really can't honestly understand how being a mayor of anything but the very largest of cities counts on such a resume and VP of the United States. New York mayor? Yes. Chicago? Houston? Phoenix? LA? Yes. Wasilla? No.
But what I don't quite get is why people think John McCain has more foreign policy experience than the rest of them? He's been around longer, yes, but what actual foreign policy work has he done? |
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09/16/2008 08:03:34 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
I don't think Sarah Palin is unqualified to be Vice President. But I do believe she is unqualified to receive my vote. |
Palin is only running for VICE-president, although McCain's age and health make the presidency more than the hypothetical "what-if" scenario that Biden represents so I suppose a comparison is relevant. Both are qualified in the, "you must be this tall to enter" sense, but they are hugely different in terms of background experience.
Palin has a BS in Journalism from the University of Idaho. Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School, served as president of the Harvard Law Review and was a professor of constitutional law for 12 years. I'll take #2, please.
Obama was a State Senator of a district that included parts of Chicago when Palin was mayor of Wasilla, AK. While you could argue that a mayor making sole decisions is more of a leadership role, the state legislature of Illinois is likely a more demanding political experience than meeting with a handful of people you can dismiss at will. The issues facing a town of 5,500 and Chicago are NOT similar, especially when you consider the normally mayoral oversight of the fire department, schools and social programs are managed for Wasilla by regional and state government agencies, normal budget problems are mitigated by oil revenue subsidies and no education budget, and Palin hired a deputy administrator to help manage the remainder. "Her top achievement as mayor was the construction of an ice rink, a project that landed in the courts and cost the city more than expected." Again, advantage Obama.
Moving on, Palin is now governor of Alaska (total population a little less than Memphis, TN), while Obama is a U.S. Senator for the 5th largest state in the country. So Obama already works with the people and policies he'd be dealing with, both within the federal government and among foreign heads of state. Before the VP announcement, Palin would have needed a name tag and program guide for either. Palin's brief stint as governor has been marred by some controversial decisions (The Bridge, earmarks, troopergate, per diem expenses, etc.), and she traveled outside of North America for the first time last year. The biggest controversy for Obama appears to be his former pastor's ideas, not his.
Some of this is moot, though. As pointed out, Lincoln had even less political and foreign policy experience, and he did OK. The most important things are the respective policies that Obama and McCain champion, along with their character and judgement. I do not question McCain's patriotism, but his integrity has gone down the toilet with his campaign tactics, his judgement is often rash and ill-conceived (maverick is such a cute term), and some of his policies are a continuation of current failures at best, and downright scary at worst. |
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09/16/2008 08:06:49 PM · #46 |
Has anybody here noted that Palin has only had her US Passport for a year and a half? Not very outward minded IMO.
Another thing is that McCain only met her once before selecting her.
Shit, I once went through a five interview process to do a Salad Station at a small restaurant.
Message edited by author 2008-09-16 20:43:42. |
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09/16/2008 08:35:35 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
In general, I think Americans deserve better than eith of the current canidates.
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Can I get an AMEN, brutha? |
AMEN!
and Women too! :-)
Message edited by author 2008-09-16 20:37:02. |
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09/16/2008 08:49:11 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Shit, I once went through a five interview process to do a Salad Station at a small restaurant. |
But that was an IMPORTANT job....
R. |
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09/16/2008 08:49:20 PM · #49 |
Carly Fiorina (Advisor to McCain and short list VP pick) was asked if she thought that Palin had the experience to run a major corporation and she said no. She also said that McCain didn't have enough experience to run one either.
It was then pointed out in the broadcast that in her last year at HP they had a budget of 80 billion. Bush's budget this year was almost 3 TRILLION!!! I think she kinda missed the mark and I feel she needs a time out ... ;-P |
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09/16/2008 08:50:17 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
McCain only met her once before selecting her.
I once went through a five interview process to do a Salad Station at a small restaurant. |
Can't be too careful with tainted spinach! |
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