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04/09/2004 10:48:51 AM · #1 |
I was having a look Jacko's factory accident? photo
and he listed his Processing steps as :
-rotate
-crop
-Levels
-Hue/Saturation
-add border
-Sharpen
-25% Neatimage.
I'm new at this and I'm just checking if this is the best order to get a good finished picture or do some of you do it differently to Jacko and if so what would you change and why (comments fom Jacko as to why he uses this order would also be helpful)
Thanks
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04/09/2004 01:10:39 PM · #2 |
For me it all depends on the photos, but yes, the same basic order is there. I always fix the rotate, crop, and then edit the color. Then I like to save a file of the edited version while not resized so that I can use it for printouts or different sizes later. I also like to record the amounts of the edits I do (ie. Contrast +10) so that if I run into a problem I can redo it easily. Then comes the resize and sharpen. So yep, that seems to be the best order for me. ^_^
Message edited by author 2004-04-09 13:10:51.
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04/09/2004 01:18:47 PM · #3 |
| I would have changed the order only slightly, moving the noise reduction (NeatImage) to the number one position. |
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04/09/2004 01:22:11 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by ElGordo:
I would have changed the order only slightly, moving the noise reduction (NeatImage) to the number one position. |
I do the noise reduction last since sharpening can add noise to the picture. Also, since I'm using the free version of Neat Image the result is a jpg highly compressed file so I don't want to touch it again. |
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04/09/2004 01:30:25 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
I do the noise reduction last since sharpening can add noise to the picture. Also, since I'm using the free version of Neat Image the result is a jpg highly compressed file so I don't want to touch it again. |
I think that this is a very bad idea... Your sharpening doesn't actually create noise, it amplifies the noise that is already there. First off, you should NeatIimage before so that sharpening doesn't deteriorate your picture. Secondly, I think you should higher your sharpening threshold, which I think would prevent remaining noise from getting amplified.
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04/09/2004 01:36:46 PM · #6 |
FWIW
I've taken several Photoshop classes, seminars here in Portland.
The order they recommend is just what Jacko has listed.
Sharpening is last------as they do not use NeatImage, or admit to it. |
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04/09/2004 01:39:55 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by ElGordo:
I would have changed the order only slightly, moving the noise reduction (NeatImage) to the number one position. |
I do the noise reduction last since sharpening can add noise to the picture. Also, since I'm using the free version of Neat Image the result is a jpg highly compressed file so I don't want to touch it again. |
The folks at NeatImage recommend sharpening after the noise reduction step, because sharpening usually increases the noise. Here's a quote from their Questions & Answers page...
"On the other hand, image sharpening applied to a noisy image makes it much more noisy. It is best to apply Neat Image filtration before sharpening (including internal camera sharpening). However, the sharpening and noise filters of Neat Image can be used together since the sharpening is applied AFTER noise filtration."
I don't know if sharpening is available in the free version, but if it is, the sharpening would be done before the file was compressed.
--Mick
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04/09/2004 01:50:44 PM · #8 |
The freeware version of NeatImage does include sharpening, but I do not use that function, preferring to sharpen in Photoshop, if necessary.
The jpeg compression used by NeatImage seems to be very good, as I have not noted any significant introduction of compression artifacts when using NeatImage. |
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04/09/2004 02:33:48 PM · #9 |
I read recently, and tried with success, a new workflow regarding sharpening. My Fuji S602 has 3 levels of sharpening in camera, and most agree the less in-camera the better. So i start there.
I was saving all sharpening until the last step, after resizing for submission (as resizing can soften a pic).
However, what I read said to sharpen FIRST ( 500%, .2 or .3, 0 to 5 threshold) then do your regular crop/rotate/hue/sat/levels/etc and resize and sharpen using your normal method (150% and .6 or whatever looks good)
This made a HUGE improvement in the end result of my wheels entry (I tried it both ways).
I am trying to achieve something equivalent to
this pic or this one in terms of sharpenss or life likeness.
As for neatimage, i have asked several people and using it first seems to be the concensus. |
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04/09/2004 02:42:30 PM · #10 |
After using the free version of Neat Image I've always noticed a large amount of jpeg artifacts when viewing at 100%. As it is free it is just an enticement to buy the fully functional version. I'll have to check out the sharpening within Neat Image and see if it does as good a job as Photoshop.
Another thing someone suggested (maybe in another thread) is to select the filtered image while still in Neat Image and paste it in to Photoshop to avoid the compression factor. I don't know if this is viable or even works. |
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04/09/2004 02:47:36 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Another thing someone suggested (maybe in another thread) is to select the filtered image while still in Neat Image and paste it in to Photoshop to avoid the compression factor. I don't know if this is viable or even works. |
*nods* That was me. I've never used NeatImage, so I don't know how it works, but it seemed the best back door to me. Oh, but if you can select the whole image and then press Ctrl+C (on a PC) it will copy it, whether or not NeatImage has that feature...Although, depeding on your computer, the file size may be too large to copy.
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04/09/2004 03:39:17 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Ami Yuy:
For me it all depends on the photos, but yes, the same basic order is there. I always fix the rotate, crop, and then edit the color. Then I like to save a file of the edited version while not resized so that I can use it for printouts or different sizes later. I also like to record the amounts of the edits I do (ie. Contrast +10) so that if I run into a problem I can redo it easily. Then comes the resize and sharpen. So yep, that seems to be the best order for me. ^_^ |
Not sure what SW you are using, but a nice feature of Photoshop CS is that it'll log all adjustments and edits done to an image into the metadata with the file.
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04/09/2004 05:18:01 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Not sure what SW you are using, but a nice feature of Photoshop CS is that it'll log all adjustments and edits done to an image into the metadata with the file. |
Adobe PhotoDeluxe and Corel PhotoHouse...meaning I have to take it all down on paper.
I don't have the space on my computer (or speed) nor the money to invest in any photo editing program, so the free ones do just fine for me. ^_^
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04/09/2004 05:23:20 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
After using the free version of Neat Image I've always noticed a large amount of jpeg artifacts when viewing at 100%. As it is free it is just an enticement to buy the fully functional version. |
I believe NI sets a max filesize. This is fine if you smooth the image on a DPC-sized file, but a full-size one will lower quality. As you say cpanaioti, it's to make you buy it. :-) |
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