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03/31/2004 02:06:50 PM · #26 |
| You should wash a light orange tint over the rocks as well ... then it will look more like Mars. |
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03/31/2004 02:09:56 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by LtHousLady:
I'm going on the thought that most of the things you are mentioning are purposeful useage to get a certain effect. I doubt the blown out pixels were dropped in that bridge on purpose ;) |
Unfortunately, I don't see anything 'blown out' in that photo. I'm not going to get into discussion of minute things that don't matter to me when I look at an image. I can nitpick absolutely any image that you put in front of me too :)
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03/31/2004 02:19:30 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by LtHousLady:
I'm going on the thought that most of the things you are mentioning are purposeful useage to get a certain effect. I doubt the blown out pixels were dropped in that bridge on purpose ;) |
Unfortunately, I don't see anything 'blown out' in that photo. I'm not going to get into discussion of minute things that don't matter to me when I look at an image. I can nitpick absolutely any image that you put in front of me too :) |
Ok, I give. The yellow I see is just my imagination then.
**Note to self, civilized communication about photos is a no no on here. Most have their own opinion & don't want to here yours**
Guess they'd better change the description of this folder.
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03/31/2004 02:20:48 PM · #29 |
Beagleboy did the exact same thing and you gave him a 10 and said he did excellent work.
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by agwright:
Whats the photo in question? |
How about golden gate,are those natural colors? |
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03/31/2004 02:30:03 PM · #30 |
This thread inspired me to create somthing.
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03/31/2004 02:32:36 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by LtHousLady:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by LtHousLady:
I'm going on the thought that most of the things you are mentioning are purposeful useage to get a certain effect. I doubt the blown out pixels were dropped in that bridge on purpose ;) |
Unfortunately, I don't see anything 'blown out' in that photo. I'm not going to get into discussion of minute things that don't matter to me when I look at an image. I can nitpick absolutely any image that you put in front of me too :) |
Ok, I give. The yellow I see is just my imagination then.
**Note to self, civilized communication about photos is a no no on here. Most have their own opinion & don't want to here yours**
Guess they'd better change the description of this folder. |
I think we just have a minor difference in the definition of 'blown out'. When I hear that, I imagine that detail is lost due to overexposure. Any highlight areas that I see in this image are well within the normal exposure range of the shot.
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03/31/2004 02:44:44 PM · #32 |
Well I voted this high (9), but I personally believe excessive or complete color shifts do violate photographic integrity. I guess I'd have to see the original to really decide for myself whether I thought this was over the top.
For my own entry, I was afraid I'd be accused of bumping the saturation, so I titled it with that disclaimer. Though John took me to task ;-) for my awkward title (didn't know I could lose on the photos rating over the title...) Of course, one of the comments said it was muted in color, so perhaps it would not have been perceived that way. |
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03/31/2004 02:45:57 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think we just have a minor difference in the definition of 'blown out'. When I hear that, I imagine that detail is lost due to overexposure. Any highlight areas that I see in this image are well within the normal exposure range of the shot. |
Could be. I termed it that because I see the yellow as originally being white "missing color" pixels until the hue saturation adjustments were made to turn the image more orange.
Some may put me in the "overly picky" catagory, but I do allow for a certain amount of quality loss due to file sizes when judging. This struck me as too much to chalk up to that. I have dumped many otherwise perfect lighthouse shots just because of this. They would be unsalable like that.
Sorry for the NY sacrasm in the last post. It sneaks out every now & again ;)
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03/31/2004 02:46:19 PM · #34 |
LOL !
So,more orange color you slap,you win!
Don't worry about pixelisation and noise !
Tip number one:
Wheel Challenge, take photo of a big wheeel,the bigger the better,go to Wien Austria and shot that huge wheel there!
Message edited by author 2004-03-31 14:51:19. |
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03/31/2004 02:49:00 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Well I voted this high (9), but I personally believe excessive or complete color shifts do violate photographic integrity. I guess I'd have to see the original to really decide for myself whether I thought this was over the top. |
Not sure I understand this or not...you like it well enough to give it a 9, but if it is too manipulated from the original you won't like it any more??
I think this whole thread was started becuase of sour grapes IMO.
Every single challenge we have, someone always complains because someone else won the challenge, complains because their photo didn't do as well as they thought, finds some way to tear apart the 3 photos that won...
Unbelieveable...just go take pictures, enter the challenges and have some damn fun without all the whining and complaining every week.
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03/31/2004 02:49:30 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Shakey:
This thread inspired me to create somthing. |
ROTFL - I think that should be adopted by the site--and the SC can put it on the left side of the window (where you challenge entries are) for 1 day for any user who has been bad...
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03/31/2004 02:52:37 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by rickhd13:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Well I voted this high (9), but I personally believe excessive or complete color shifts do violate photographic integrity. I guess I'd have to see the original to really decide for myself whether I thought this was over the top. |
Not sure I understand this or not...you like it well enough to give it a 9, but if it is too manipulated from the original you won't like it any more??
I think this whole thread was started becuase of sour grapes IMO.
Every single challenge we have, someone always complains because someone else won the challenge, complains because their photo didn't do as well as they thought, finds some way to tear apart the 3 photos that won...
Unbelieveable...just go take pictures, enter the challenges and have some damn fun without all the whining and complaining every week. |
I have no sour grapes about my orange score. It wan't quite as clear as it should have been. Some people might even walk away with a better understanding of the not so nice anomilies that show up in photos. How is learning bad as long as it can be done respectfully?
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03/31/2004 02:54:03 PM · #38 |
quote//This thread inspired me to create somthing//unquote
Hey Tim - that's a classic!
Made me laugh on a day when I really dont feel up to it! - Thanks !!
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03/31/2004 02:58:09 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by LtHousLady:
Could be. I termed it that because I see the yellow as originally being white "missing color" pixels until the hue saturation adjustments were made to turn the image more orange.
Some may put me in the "overly picky" catagory, but I do allow for a certain amount of quality loss due to file sizes when judging. This struck me as too much to chalk up to that. I have dumped many otherwise perfect lighthouse shots just because of this. They would be unsalable like that.
Sorry for the NY sacrasm in the last post. It sneaks out every now & again ;) |
I like to refer to these types of image issues as 'halo effect' that is created by sharpening. I have seen examples of halos that have positive and negative effects on the images. It's all personal viewer preference, in either case.
I don't know what post processing was done to this photo because I didn't create it. All I have really considered about it is my personal view of the image, and I can definitely see your view as well. Neither of our views is right or wrong. If everyone felt the same way about all images, there would not be a need for more than one person to vote :)
My personal voting is probably a bit different than most. I choose to ignore the challenge topic and vote on the image as if it was in a room all by itself with no particular 'assigned' subject. This allows me to see more clearly. I usually get hammered for this particular view, but I'm just one voter. I also rarely see high scoring images that do not meet the challenge. It's rare that I give a score higher than 5 or 6 to a photo that doesn't really meet the challenge, but it happens occasionally.
My vote consists primarily of visual appeal. If the photo impresses me on some emotional level, I usually score it pretty high. Technically perfect still life photographs don't impress me at all anymore unless there is something in the image that I find visually appealing to look at.
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03/31/2004 03:07:34 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Too much BS here,not so interesting amymore! |
so........ leave.
too much bitching! |
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03/31/2004 03:12:44 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by rickhd13:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Well I voted this high (9), but I personally believe excessive or complete color shifts do violate photographic integrity. I guess I'd have to see the original to really decide for myself whether I thought this was over the top. |
Not sure I understand this or not...you like it well enough to give it a 9, but if it is too manipulated from the original you won't like it any more??
I think this whole thread was started becuase of sour grapes IMO.
Every single challenge we have, someone always complains because someone else won the challenge, complains because their photo didn't do as well as they thought, finds some way to tear apart the 3 photos that won...
Unbelieveable...just go take pictures, enter the challenges and have some damn fun without all the whining and complaining every week. |
Well, I wasn't whining. I'm delighted with my 6th place finish. Though I personally thought TooCool's 4th place entry was the best photo in the roundup.
I was basically turning the discussion to one that is commonly on the plate here: photographic integrity. As far as my vote, I voted it purely based on aesthetics without analyzing it. I never assume that the colors have been manipulated, especially for a sunset. I've seen some incredible color in sunsets, such as:
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03/31/2004 03:16:10 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Too much BS here,not so interesting amymore! |
so........ leave.
too much bitching! |
Yes Sir ! What ever you say!
Bitching is a good eye-opener if you don't like democracy go to Cuba ! |
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03/31/2004 03:24:19 PM · #43 |
Unfortunately, I've seen this happen right out of the camera. It caused me to upgrade to the 10D to improve the final image quality. I questioned staying with digital & contemplated a med format. May still add that down the line.
My old camera would have never gotten my mag cover shot that well. Woulda been "halo effect" all over instead of just over the lantern room.
It does come down to preference. I try to keep a balance between technicalities & vision...and that is how I vote. The images that achieve both, to me, are the best. The yellow was distracting to me in that shot.
Now to cut my addiction off at the knees & get my butt back to work or I won't have a need for the pics....lol
It's been a pleasent & enlightening exchange!
More should try it :o)
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03/31/2004 04:17:35 PM · #44 |
Sorry you didn't like my shot,but don't quit because of one vote. My favorites finished 2nd, 4th, and 82nd. Neither you nor I are arbiters of good taste. Democracy is a horrible system, it is however the best one we have.
As to "Digital Art" V. "Real" photography I shot this with the intention of shifting the color space in the computer, if I had been using film I would have used an orange filter. Which one is the more "real" option. I see no difference. In my purist days i used to think that any cropping was cheating. Full frame was the only honest shot. Of course I would spend hours doging and burning that "honest" shot. These days I use any tool that will help me get the shot that I can see in my mind's eye.
As the the halos, on my monitor they aren't bad, after a few comments during the challenge I looked at it on my wife's monitor...yuck. I don't know if it was a function of oversharpening or the way any sharpening effected the suspention cables as seen from across the bay through very misty air. Here is a 100% crop un-sharpened. When I shrink it down to postable size it gets pretty jangly all on it's own.
Anyway I am glad that the shot was well recived and am even more thankfull for the critcal comments that will foster my growth as a photographer.
Message edited by author 2004-03-31 16:32:05.
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04/05/2004 10:25:28 PM · #45 |
| Well,when you see a Snapshot of a pet gets more points than a classic waterfall/rocks texture with river leading lines and water at rules of third placed bellow the hill, you get an idea who is voting here ! |
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04/05/2004 10:32:59 PM · #46 |
My first reaction to BrennanOB's photo was "Yuck! To much sharpening!" No offense, but eek! It's kind of a pet peeve of mine so seeing that, it gets marked down, depending on how oversharp it is (and it is quite bad on my monitor).
Edit: Originally posted by pitsaman:
Well,when you see a Snapshot of a pet gets more points than a classic waterfall/rocks texture with river leading lines and water at rules of third placed bellow the hill, you get an idea who is voting here ! |
It doesn't matter how many rules you follow sometimes, if it isn't asthetically pleasing to the voters.
Message edited by author 2004-04-05 22:35:03.
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04/05/2004 11:07:17 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Well,when you see a Snapshot of a pet gets more points than a classic waterfall/rocks texture with river leading lines and water at rules of third placed bellow the hill, you get an idea who is voting here ! |
No, I have no idea who's voting here. Enlighten us. |
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04/05/2004 11:10:11 PM · #48 |
What's great about this site is that the votes average out quite well, there are enough votes that the winners truly are the winners, and I am not going to argue that case at all. I am not too worried about WHY someone ribboned and if they deserved it, if the votes went that way for the person to win, then of course they deserved it, oversharpened or not. If they got the votes and wona ribbon, then yeah, they deserved to win.
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