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07/07/2008 11:21:25 AM · #26

It is interesting that it came in the 40s when this one came in 5th with basically the same idea:

Now I would say the "reuse" concept is quite a bit clearer on the one that came in 5th place, but the artist was going for the same thing...

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

07/07/2008 11:23:42 AM · #27

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

It is interesting that it came in the 40s when this one came in 5th with basically the same idea

Paper is MUCH greener than plastic.

(...and DrAchoo is much "greener" than any other DPCer ;-P )

Message edited by author 2008-07-07 11:24:41.

07/07/2008 11:28:25 AM · #28

Originally posted by bassbone:

I thought it was very good as well (gave it an 8 during voting) - but interestingly did not notice the 'recycle' from the thumb - and I think that really hurt it. I think people assumed it was a shoehorn and didn't get past the pretty face and nice figure....

This is a very interesting comment. I assume from your remarks that you vote initially from the thumbnails. You only look at the full size image if you think it looks interesting in the thumb? Did I get this right? I've always suspected that many people vote this way.

As far as the image, the many 1's indicate a prude vote and the comments indicate many didn't get it. I think the photographer will have a good run here none the less.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

07/07/2008 11:31:37 AM · #29

Originally posted by Jac:

I am tired of seeing boobs

Walks off to make breakfast, shaking head.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

07/07/2008 11:40:11 AM · #30

I thought it was a very well done photograph. VERY well done. The lighting, angle of perspective, colors, etc.

However, I didn't see the tie to "green" as in recycle, etc. If anything, it spoke exactly the opposite to me. She was using yards of plastic wrap (and not "reusing" it, which would have been more challenge friendly to see, but who wants to be wrapped in casserole stained plastic wrap?).

So, while it is another use of plastic wrap, it is still an environmentally unfriendly product, and this didn't show how it related to "reduce, reuse, or recycle" in any way. She was using a lot of it (not reducing it); she was not reusing it (it was straight off the role), and it was not being recycled (first time use).

So, yes, it is a very well done photography. Unfortunately, I don't think it meets the challenge.

In a free study (as scalvert alluded to), or in a portrait challenge, or in a "blue" challenge, I think this would most definitely of scored at least a full point and a half higher.

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

07/07/2008 11:42:59 AM · #31

Originally posted by fir3bird:

the many 1's indicate a prude vote

How do you know that? I have NO problems with nudity whatsoever, but I would have voted this a 4 - and that has nothing with the "sex" factor.

Originally posted by fir3bird:

the comments indicate many didn't get it.

Agreed, many didn't get it - but they didn't get the fact that playing around with a new roll of cling wrap is soooooooooooo NOT green! I think that score is better than it should have been.

Superb photo for a free study, though!

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

07/07/2008 11:45:09 AM · #32

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

It is interesting that it came in the 40s when this one came in 5th with basically the same idea:

Now I would say the "reuse" concept is quite a bit clearer on the one that came in 5th place, but the artist was going for the same thing...

The first pic conveys sex....not going green or recycling..this one really stresses the DRESS (made of recycle newspaper) and not the HUGE breasts and clearly defined body....like the other.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

07/07/2008 11:45:43 AM · #33

Originally posted by fir3bird:

As far as the image, the many 1's indicate a prude vote and the comments indicate many didn't get it.

I don't think you can say that. The comments indicate many voters felt this image was completely DNMC, and the 1's support that. I think the image is actually "anti-green", the exact opposite of meeting the challenge, as several others have pointed out. The score doesn't surprise me at all. The image is very well done but in terms of the challenge it's a non sequitur.

R.

07/07/2008 11:48:28 AM · #34

Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by bassbone:
I thought it was very good as well (gave it an 8 during voting) - but interestingly did not notice the 'recycle' from the thumb - and I think that really hurt it. I think people assumed it was a shoehorn and didn't get past the pretty face and nice figure....

This is a very interesting comment. I assume from your remarks that you vote initially from the thumbnails. You only look at the full size image if you think it looks interesting in the thumb? Did I get this right? I've always suspected that many people vote this way.

As far as the image, the many 1's indicate a prude vote and the comments indicate many didn't get it. I think the photographer will have a good run here none the less.

I didn't vote low because I am a prude. I loved the pic. She is hot..and that is a good thing. I just don't like the use of sex to convey an idea....I hate it in commercials and I guess the same goes for my preference in photography.

sex for the sake of sex..is fine. Sex to sell other things, isn't. (in my individual opinion)

PapaBob

07/07/2008 11:52:58 AM · #35

I fully agree with the not green comments, the photo is awesome but it does not have any real conserve or recycle reference. Maybe, just maybe the voters are smarter than they get credit for being(I can not believe I just agreed with the voters)!

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

07/07/2008 11:56:18 AM · #36

Well, I'm off to vote. I'm glad everyone got me set right. I'm gonna give more 1's than I've every done before because I realize the importance now of punishing DNMC images! It always bothered me before to give a 1. Now I feel the freedom! It's so liberating! :)

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

07/07/2008 11:58:01 AM · #37

Originally posted by fir3bird:

What's with the attitude like that?

You posted your opinion. Others posted theirs. No need to get snarky about it.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

07/07/2008 11:58:05 AM · #38

Originally posted by Jac:

Originally posted by dsray:
I think it is a very clear example of people checking their brains at the door while voting and being way too defining of what an image 'should' be. The plastic dress is just an example of what is possibly the hottest trend today, recovered art. Having also received my first DNMC for the same reason, you can bet I will lead the voter by the nose and explain it to them in my titles from now on.

And that'll get you a lower score from moi. :)

Me too. Nothing worse than using the title to explain the photo and how it fits. That's the biggest shoehorn technique used here. The score would probably have been lower if a shoehorn title had been used.

BTW, I didn't vote on this challenge.

:)

Message edited by author 2008-07-07 11:58:19.

ambaker

Google Glass Google Glass

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

07/07/2008 12:09:42 PM · #39

I saw it as a commentary on the media. 60 is the new 40 etc.

Perhaps I read too much into it, seeing it as a protest against the way the media tries to manipulate the public.

Bottom line here at DPC is you can shoot to please yourself, or you can shoot to please the voters.

Once in a while you may manage both.

07/07/2008 12:13:58 PM · #40

Originally posted by karmat:

What's with the attitude like that?

You posted your opinion. Others posted theirs. No need to get snarky about it.

You didn't like my smilie???? I put it there for a reason. Perhaps some coffee would help yours.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4.0-5.6G ED

07/07/2008 12:16:23 PM · #41

I went and looked at this guy's website. This is the type of photography he does....beautiful women that are half naked. Which is a great thing...when it isn't trying to pawn off some sub-par product or some kind of values campaign.

ivale28

Nikon D40

07/07/2008 12:19:20 PM · #42

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by hopper:
plastic wrap is TERRIBLE for the environment - I'm actually surprised the image scored so well

What he said. It would have been an awesome Free Study entry, but terrible for communicating environmental responsibility.

Yup, what they both said - I voted it low too. Not a prude by any means, just figure if the challenge is 'Green', a chick wrapped in saran wrap doesn't fit no matter how I tried to look at it. I'm all for OOB entries and do take my time trying to 'get' images that, for lack of better wording, challenge the challenge. This just didn't work for me. Free study, definitely at least an 8...green challenge, nuh uh.

Ken

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

07/07/2008 12:29:50 PM · #43

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
It is interesting that it came in the 40s when this one came in 5th with basically the same idea:

Now I would say the "reuse" concept is quite a bit clearer on the one that came in 5th place, but the artist was going for the same thing...

The first pic conveys sex....not going green or recycling..this one really stresses the DRESS (made of recycle newspaper) and not the HUGE breasts and clearly defined body....like the other.

I think they're both DNMC, but this one is much more classy, and isn't conveying sex and plastic wrap. I'm not prudish at all, but plastic wrap, lots of blue, and big (fake?) boobs don't make a good photo, IMO.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

07/07/2008 12:44:11 PM · #44

Originally posted by mad_brewer:

Hey..I like the wrap and the fake boobs. :p

I just think that the use of newspaper conveys recycling...because a newspaper has already been used. Even it is is brand new...the paper was already used as something to print on. And the use of brand-new..off the roll....kill the environment plastic did not.

Mick

Canon EOS-5D

07/07/2008 12:58:29 PM · #45

I think

vw8802's photo is wonderful and it definitely fit the challenge criteria. The model is obviously gorgeous and the pose is dynamic and sexy. I think what hurt it is the execution. The image is a bit too dark overall and the background is distracting. The lighting emphasizes her face and upper body, while the key element, the plastic wrap, isnâ��t visible enough. With slightly different lighting and a less cluttered background, it might have scored much higher. There scoring may also reflect a little female cattiness (mrowww, phfitt, phfitt), and the fact that some long time dpcâ��ers are tired of seeing sexy females used in almost every challenge.

RKT

Canon EOS-60D

Sigma 85mm f/1.4 for Canon

07/07/2008 01:05:34 PM · #46

Originally posted by Mick:

...There scoring may also reflect a little female cattiness (mrowww, phfitt, phfitt)...

...seriously?...maybe the high scores are due to males voting with the wrong head if we're gonna follow that bit of logic.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

07/07/2008 01:13:58 PM · #47

Originally posted by RKT:

Originally posted by Mick:
...There scoring may also reflect a little female cattiness (mrowww, phfitt, phfitt)...

...seriously?...maybe the high scores are due to males voting with the wrong head if we're gonna follow that bit of logic.

It's a stupid statement anyway... There's NO evidence to support that...

R.

citymars

Nikon D700

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

07/07/2008 01:50:33 PM · #48

Btw,

Views since voting: 601
Also added as a favorite 7 times today (so far).

As the old saying goes, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease."

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II