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Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

07/13/2008 10:11:01 PM · #33

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Judi:
This challenge was based on how many Landscape subject challenges we have recently have. There fore....it is 'NO Landscape subjects' ...Not Landscape Crops. If people are going to petty and mark down a Landscape Crop then I think they need their heads read...or at the very least...get a life!

Ya think? Jejejeâ�¢ I entered a portrait, and it's NOT tone mapped, so I'm totally off the reservation myself....

R.

Whoah! Can't wait to see! :)

Yo_Spiff

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

07/13/2008 10:27:57 PM · #34

Originally posted by Judi:

If people are going to petty and mark down a Landscape Crop then I think they need their heads read...or at the very least...get a life!

I have a life, but I spend a large portion of it clicking the update button. I was just kidding about the landscape orientation. My comment was a poor poke at narrow interpretation of challenge topics. (Such as in "Warm colors" where many of us used warm colors, but still got DNMC votes for images that did not convey warmth.)

bnilesh

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/13/2008 10:35:51 PM · #35

I am pretty sure that no voters will find anything landscape either content or cropping. A very different take, maybe voters are going to push it up or pull it down..waiting to see in which direction it is going to be..

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

07/14/2008 12:58:53 AM · #36

Originally posted by Judi:

This challenge was based on how many Landscape subject challenges we have recently have. There fore....it is 'NO Landscape subjects' ...Not Landscape Crops.

That's not what is says..."Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape.", I would think that a landscape crop can be categorized as landscape.

banmorn

Nikon D750

07/14/2008 01:05:26 AM · #37

Originally posted by Moose408:

Originally posted by Judi:
This challenge was based on how many Landscape subject challenges we have recently have. There fore....it is 'NO Landscape subjects' ...Not Landscape Crops.

That's not what is says..."Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape.", I would think that a landscape crop can be categorized as landscape.

It is the PHOTOGRAPH not the crop. Crop does not appear in the description. Now go and fix your scores. THX!

Message edited by author 2008-07-14 01:06:35.

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

07/14/2008 01:07:42 AM · #38

Originally posted by banmorn:

Originally posted by Moose408:

Originally posted by Judi:
This challenge was based on how many Landscape subject challenges we have recently have. There fore....it is 'NO Landscape subjects' ...Not Landscape Crops.

That's not what is says..."Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape.", I would think that a landscape crop can be categorized as landscape.

It is the PHOTOGRAPH not the crop. Crop does not appear in the description. Now go and fix your scores. THX!

I'm glad I am not the only one that realised what this challenge is 'actually' about!!!!

07/14/2008 01:16:16 AM · #39

Originally posted by banmorn:

Well I haven't voted but I disagree. We always talk about a photograph in landscape format. That is categorizing the photograph. There is nothing in the description that rules out the crop and says it only applies to the subject, therefore it can be interrupted either way.

Challenge descriptions are often ambiguous and if you choose to pick one way you can't expect the voters to necessarily do the same. It's always prudent to cover both cases.

salmiakki

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

07/14/2008 01:18:39 AM · #40

Originally posted by Moose408:

Well YOU might, but that doesn't make it correct. This is from the scores thread.

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by banmorn:
Do you think a landscape crop is a DNMC in this challenge? Certainly shouldn't be. The image cannot be a landscape, not the crop.

100% agree. The use of the word Landscape as a description for paper orientation came quite recently with the advent of desktop office packages (eg Word/Excel etc) Historically it was known as horizontal and vertical (in fact, my photography tutor in Chicago still refers to them in this way).

Message edited by author 2008-07-14 01:26:25.

charliebaker

Canon PowerShot S2 IS

07/14/2008 01:46:44 AM · #41

Just to provide the stats:
123 entries out of 249 are in a "landscape" format. That pretty much divides the crop in half. Then I got asking myself, what exactly is a square crop? Is it portrait or landscape or a hybrid of both. Any way about it, DPC literalists should have an easy time voting on this one.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

07/14/2008 02:05:56 AM · #42

I didn't enter this challenge for this very reason. I had a shot that I thought would do good (for me) but reading the challenge details, "Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape" it came to me later in the week that the portion of the details I have placed in bold & italic was going to be a problem. Today I realized it was not going to be how I considered the photograph should be categorized but how the voter(s) perceived it could be categorized and I no control over that. So I decided not to enter; I didn't need the aggravation!

Scott

07/14/2008 02:06:02 AM · #43

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by Moose408:

Well I haven't voted but I disagree. We always talk about a photograph in landscape format. That is categorizing the photograph. There is nothing in the description that rules out the crop and says it only applies to the subject, therefore it can be interrupted either way.

Well YOU might, but that doesn't make it correct. This is from the scores thread.

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by banmorn:
Do you think a landscape crop is a DNMC in this challenge? Certainly shouldn't be. The image cannot be a landscape, not the crop.

100% agree. The use of the word Landscape as a description for paper orientation came quite recently with the advent of desktop office packages (eg Word/Excel etc) Historically it was known as horizontal and vertical (in fact, my photography tutor in Chicago still refers to them in this way).

A couple of points.

Yes, my interpretation might not be correct but it also might be. I'm just pointing out that is in ambiguous so therefore either interpretation could be correct. It's all up to the voter.

It doesn't matter at all what the meaning has been historically, we are now in 2008 and today, landscape indicates a crop orientation (in addition to it's other interpretations).

Some have also pointed out that the "reason" that this topic came about was because we had, had so many landscape challenges in a row and this was to indicate that it wasn't like those. I personally am not privy to such information such as what the powers that be were thinking when they created the challenge. I can only go by what is written and the way it is written it is ambiguous. It does not state that the "subject" must "not be a landscape", it just says that you can categorize the photo as a landscape. Could go either way.

rinac

Pentax K20D

Pentax SMC-F 50mm f/1.7

07/14/2008 02:13:31 AM · #44

Nothing ambiguous about it. Pretty straight forward actually.

"Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape"

Anything = subject
Result = subject

salmiakki

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

07/14/2008 02:16:26 AM · #45

Originally posted by Moose408:

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by Moose408:

Well I haven't voted but I disagree. We always talk about a photograph in landscape format. That is categorizing the photograph. There is nothing in the description that rules out the crop and says it only applies to the subject, therefore it can be interrupted either way.

Well YOU might, but that doesn't make it correct. This is from the scores thread.

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by banmorn:
Do you think a landscape crop is a DNMC in this challenge? Certainly shouldn't be. The image cannot be a landscape, not the crop.

100% agree. The use of the word Landscape as a description for paper orientation came quite recently with the advent of desktop office packages (eg Word/Excel etc) Historically it was known as horizontal and vertical (in fact, my photography tutor in Chicago still refers to them in this way).

A couple of points.

Yes, my interpretation might not be correct but it also might be. I'm just pointing out that is in ambiguous so therefore either interpretation could be correct. It's all up to the voter.

It doesn't matter at all what the meaning has been historically, we are now in 2008 and today, landscape indicates a crop orientation (in addition to it's other interpretations).

Some have also pointed out that the "reason" that this topic came about was because we had, had so many landscape challenges in a row and this was to indicate that it wasn't like those. I personally am not privy to such information such as what the powers that be were thinking when they created the challenge. I can only go by what is written and the way it is written it is ambiguous. It does not state that the "subject" must "not be a landscape", it just says that you can categorize the photo as a landscape. Could go either way.

You generalised by saying WE always talk about a photograph in landscape orientation. I was trying to say that in fact YOU may do so, but WE do not necessarily. 2 years ago when I did some photography classes in Chicago, we explicitly told never to refer to photographs as Landscape or Portrait to identify their orientation, so I don't think you should disregard that thinking. ETA: I get the Landscape/Portrait reference, but I do not instinctively think of the orientation of the photo in this way, as I was trained not to do so.

Message edited by author 2008-07-14 02:24:26.

salmiakki

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

07/14/2008 02:16:48 AM · #46

Thank you!

Originally posted by rinac:

Nothing ambiguous about it. Pretty straight forward actually.

"Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape"

Anything = subject
Result = subject

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

07/14/2008 03:05:36 AM · #47

Originally posted by rinac:

Nothing ambiguous about it. Pretty straight forward actually.

"Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape"

Anything = subject
Result = subject

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

Result can mean either subject or the resulting representation of the photo. Both are correct.

[quote]You generalised by saying WE always talk about a photograph in landscape orientation. I was trying to say that in fact YOU may do so, but WE do not necessarily. 2 years ago when I did some photography classes in Chicago, we explicitly told never to refer to photographs as Landscape or Portrait to identify their orientation, so I don't think you should disregard that thinking.[/quote]

Fair enough. I stand corrected. I have always heard it as landscape/portrait among the 30 or so photographers I hang out with IRL. But I understand that, that may just be us and I was wrong to assume it was universal just because I've never heard it any other way.

rinac

Pentax K20D

Pentax SMC-F 50mm f/1.7

07/14/2008 03:46:23 AM · #48

Originally posted by Moose408:

Originally posted by rinac:
Nothing ambiguous about it. Pretty straight forward actually.

"Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape"

Anything = subject
Result = subject

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

Result can mean either subject or the resulting representation of the photo. Both are correct.

Both may be correct if this site was called "Print Supplies R Us", but it's not. Challenge briefs are always about the subject unless specifically stating extra editing rules. Extra rules are always indicated by a flag.

Please stop trying to sway votes.

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

07/14/2008 03:54:29 AM · #49

Originally posted by rinac:

Originally posted by Moose408:

Originally posted by rinac:
Nothing ambiguous about it. Pretty straight forward actually.

"Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape"

Anything = subject
Result = subject

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

Result can mean either subject or the resulting representation of the photo. Both are correct.

Both may be correct if this site was called "Print Supplies R Us", but it's not. Challenge briefs are always about the subject unless specifically stating extra editing rules. Extra rules are always indicated by a flag.

Please stop trying to sway votes.

Well Put!

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